Relics back where it belongs!

[Bigbrother]

Ty albs

Ty for my new titles, and rps and all when you tried to take back Ren..
i was standing there with my blue smurf pbaoing the crap out of you while you was rushing up.. was a GOOD fight and and lasted long. you realy should be in sutch a rush to get to lord , you never who stands around the corner

 

[Flimgoblin]

When I came back in the evening, I participated in many fights, and in EVERY
fight, where mids and hibs added - they definately 100% cross-realmed, they
both attacked Alb and left each other after the Albs were downed.

I'd given up and gone to watch a cheery film (21 grams) by the evening.. but during the day the mids and hibs were fighting - strategically they tended to go to different keeps, but once they got close they were killing each other.

It's possible some gank groups would do that but I'd be very surprised if a zerg had the kind of control possible to do that if it even wanted to.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Ty for my new titles, and rps and all when you tried to take back Ren..
i was standing there with my blue smurf pbaoing the crap out of you while you was rushing up.. was a GOOD fight and and lasted long. you realy should be in sutch a rush to get to lord , you never who stands around the corner

meh, anyone that ever complains about heretics monster rezz being overpowered should try taking a lord room from warlocks+sms. Wasn't even half as many mids as albs there yet it took _ages_ to break through.

It was a fun fight but frustrating as hell... had fun charging past with pbaoe dd's and running out the postern door or running in zombie form around the room twice and then jumping off the roof to escape I think the main issue with charging the lord room though is that door - very easy to lag and stick on the stairs or the doorway - which means you get to eat 2 or 3 lots of pbaoe - no chance to survive that without having a hand of god or zombie form up.

 

[Nul]

I wasn't on at the time of the Relic take (although I was when Mids were
first on Beno).

When I came back in the evening, I participated in many fights, and in EVERY
fight, where mids and hibs added - they definately 100% cross-realmed, they
both attacked Alb and left each other after the Albs were downed.

Do I find it distasteful? - yes,
but surprising? - no,

Just looking forward to patch/cluster (when it will be worth taking the relics
back), and stumbling on hibgard fights in future, don't qq when you get
zerged, what comes around goes around.

Tbh - it made sense that Mid would launch a RR when the biggest Alb ML
raid this year was underway - ofc they'd have feck all opposition. So enjoy
the relics for a few more days guys \o/ The action has been so scarce
recently I thought we should have given Hibs and Mids their relics back
anyway.

Was good to see so many of you out - hope you don't crawl back under your
rocks too soon

We did NOT crossrealm.
It was a fair RR.

Biggest ML raid. This is the biggest whine thread as well. I like it even if most of it is a waste of bandwidth tho...

 

[sirius]

Just making sure you dont think I have a prob with AC's m8 tbh, matter of fact I actually enjoy them, nothing worse than rage logging at 9pmish after being stealth zerged over and over, then logging on at 4am to look for some solo fights and finding RvR completely dead.

Alarm Clocks, like Takhys last week, create a panic inducing coffee taxing experience which is quite all round fun, well at least as a defender it was last week. All they had to do was plow through the Lord room, Thank God for Ice Wizards Intense time all round though, the boats from Bold were just far too slow off the mark.

What amuses me though is the hypocrisy of the argument, "Well Albs will just AC them anyway" after Mid tried to do that last week, Alarm Clocks are a part of the game, and both sides, defenders and attackers can have fun if theyre only willing to wait up/wake up at the right times, cos at the end of the day face it people are gonna do them no matter what is posted....

Just the usual quote of "All realms zerg, all realms ac" yadayadayada that gets slung at Albs everytime we get ACed never seems to get brought up when it happens to the two other realms.

doubt u can call it an alarm clock raid, i know takhy is more or less always around, it's just a few mids who coundt sleep or we pisst our bed and have 2 stand up anyway.

 

[Drav]

it was 1.5fg doing most the work because we got bored geting steamrolled by the zergs in emain so most the grp logged we met up with valverens to start a tower farm but noone came so moved on to bigger things
seeing as you had about 4fg at least running in emain i would hardly say we had the advantage

4fg? at 6am? m8 I did a /who to try and get more people inc because I thought you certainly had it, there was 31 albs in total online, bout 10 who were buffbots and about 6 of whom were in ToA ignoring /rw.

You wiped us plenty of times, only thing that seemed to stop you was the FoP and ice wiz in the lord room who seemed to be able to hold you off while we returned and dropped your numbers down till you retreated to the tower or released...So either your 4fg was /anon and not doing a very good job of protecting Beno, or your overestimating our numbers, originally at 5:30am there was 7 of us, 7 in beno. Reinforcements, maybe about a fg turned up around 6:15am.

Guess we may be talking about different times m8, but I log on pretty much every sat/sun around 4am and its very very VERY rare to see 4fgs of albs running around at that time.

Thanks for the fun tho... do it more at weekends so I can get farmed and panic some more

 

[Flimgoblin]

doubt u can call it an alarm clock raid, i know takhy is more or less always around, it's just a few mids who coundt sleep or we pisst our bed and have 2 stand up anyway.

when albs claim that it's "alarm clock"

still annoying to have them taken when you're not online. Though that sort of raid is better than a proper alarm clock raid..

3fg at 4am is a bit nicer than 12fg at 4am

 

[Calo]

I wasn't on at the time of the Relic take (although I was when Mids were
first on Beno).

When I came back in the evening, I participated in many fights, and in EVERY
fight, where mids and hibs added - they definately 100% cross-realmed, they
both attacked Alb and left each other after the Albs were downed.

Do I find it distasteful? - yes,
but surprising? - no,

Just looking forward to patch/cluster (when it will be worth taking the relics
back), and stumbling on hibgard fights in future, don't qq when you get
zerged, what comes around goes around.

Tbh - it made sense that Mid would launch a RR when the biggest Alb ML
raid this year was underway - ofc they'd have feck all opposition. So enjoy
the relics for a few more days guys \o/ The action has been so scarce
recently I thought we should have given Hibs and Mids their relics back
anyway.

Was good to see so many of you out - hope you don't crawl back under your
rocks too soon

look its glottis2

I'm not gonna start reply'ing cause basicly everything u said is bullshit.

 

[Drav]

look its glottis2

Awe, I wanna be glottis 2, Glottis is deh roxxor funneh

 

[Chronictank]

4fg? at 6am? m8 I did a /who to try and get more people inc because I thought you certainly had it, there was 31 albs in total online, bout 10 who were buffbots and about 6 of whom were in ToA ignoring /rw.

You wiped us plenty of times, only thing that seemed to stop you was the FoP and ice wiz in the lord room who seemed to be able to hold you off while we returned and dropped your numbers down till you retreated to the tower or released...So either your 4fg was /anon and not doing a very good job of protecting Beno, or your overestimating our numbers, originally at 5:30am there was 7 of us, 7 in beno. Reinforcements, maybe about a fg turned up around 6:15am.

Guess we may be talking about different times m8, but I log on pretty much every sat/sun around 4am and its very very VERY rare to see 4fgs of albs running around at that time.

Thanks for the fun tho... do it more at weekends so I can get farmed and panic some more

well if its the same raid we are talking about we started at 11:30 gmt by taking beno tower to farm, noone came so by 12:30 we moved onto the main keep. Roughly 1ish doors camp down and we were up in lord room. Guards popped and some random mids turned up puling all purp guards too room. Soon after albs turned up and killed anyone trying to run from the guards.

 

[Fuaip]

losers. There's (loads -flim) of us on Eggy's ML rush atm, fyi.

Why is a ML rush an excuse for that?

 

[RS|Phil]

Fairly certain Albion will take back their own relics at some unsociable hour, like before, or just wait till a big ML raid is on and take them then - like we did, intentionally or accidentally it's not important.

It's unfair but that's hardly the players' fault really, it's just how it works since NF in my experience. Dirty fighting for relics works best.

 

[Rockk]

I can't believe some albs are whining about this, its dinnertime on a sunday UK time and 1-2pm EU time, and im sure there is 70-150ppl in eggys ml bg. Maybe hibs+mids should post when they RR albs so they can adjust their schedules to accomodate it, just like albs do for hibs and mids at 5am....oh wait.

The RR´s are allrdy schedueld,

Omagodzor Eggy´s Having a ML Raid followed by
Mids or hibs Battlecrys >>> TO TEH RELICS!

Anyway the once who stayed on Raid were prepaired to loose em also
so no Flames should be tossed,

Good job mids for taking em at the right time

 

[Shagrat]

There was a mid/hib fight over who got the alb strength relic just outside the gate apparently

That was really funny, we all grouped up quick and sent a couple of groups off with the second relic (thanks Faril) and ran to the relic gates and ran straight into a massive fight between hibs and albs. Was well chaotic for the first few minutes as everyone ran around trying to find somewhere "safe" to fight from.....

 

[Vasconcelos]

Fairly certain Albion will take back their own relics at some unsociable hour, like before, or just wait till a big ML raid is on and take them then - like we did, intentionally or accidentally it's not important.

Cant see how is it unfair to take the relics back while mid/hib are on an ML rush raid. Eye for an eye etc.....

Tho, its a diferent matter if those hibs/mids on a supposed ML rush raid decide to suicide n defend or carry on with the raid.

like we did, intentionally or accidentally

Dont need to be the brightest mind in the class to guess that was not accidentally. You can give it a go assuming albs will stop ML raid n defend the relics, then ¡Voilá!, "accidentally" you find that theres free way to get the relics w/o oposition.

 

[Glottis]

Yes, indeed, mids love us hibbies

What is the problem there?
A simple fgm roaming.
Jesus, get over it!
Regards, Glottis

 

[Chiefthunder]

My 2 Cents

First of all the biggest bad guy about al this sh!t is this friggin forum. Ofc ppl post in it what they plan to do and ofc other realms read it and plan something nasty at ur most uncovenient hour. Ofc albs will whine about it and ofc they will take em back with a nice zerg at some raid we'll be attending or when we're sleeping. It has been always like this and tbh, stop the whine about it. Its after all, a 24h game, if not Goa would shut down servers between midnight and 6am. Ofc if albs have all relics the 2 remaining realms will team up against the albs, they just ask for it cuz solo its no way to take em with the numbers albs can summon.

Cluster will do what....give albs even bigger zergs, more warlocks and bd's for mid and some nasty high rr treehuggers for us. And in the end, nothing will change...albs will still zerg the relics at whatever time they want cuz we just can't defend them.

The only thing cluster will bring us is more lag, more LD's and hopefully, at ur most inconvinient moment, a nice zone crash cuz these servers have never and WILL never support any decent numbers of players in same area.

Only way to stop this alb zerg is, how hard it may sound, Goa shutting down Albion realm for new players, letting them choose between midgard and hibernia in the hope they will grow eventually big enough to counter albs, which would be nice in the end, but just a dream.

Albion sounds nice, imagine urself a new player...you bought a new box of daoc or saw intro movie ('join the fabled lands of King Arthur yadayadablablabla') As kid, I always liked that story, King Arthur and his legendary Knights of the Round Table, the never ending struggle between good and evil...Hey, if not for my brother being hib I would have been Alb too! like a little boys dream!

Albs have Camelot, Round table and what not else...Mids got Trolls and kobolds who in whatever story are bad guys...and as for hib, Elves ok, but firbies and luri's? who has ever heard of those before? so ofc most people start alb...

Rename Tir Na Nog into Camelot and you'll see our numbers grow too...its just the publicity nothing more...

 

[Drav]

well if its the same raid we are talking about we started at 11:30 gmt by taking beno tower to farm, noone came so by 12:30 we moved onto the main keep. Roughly 1ish doors camp down and we were up in lord room. Guards popped and some random mids turned up puling all purp guards too room. Soon after albs turned up and killed anyone trying to run from the guards.

Was probably about 5 hours after that then m8, and Albs didnt repairs doors, it kicked off pretty much at 5:30am, or at least thats when I first became aware of the flames on beno, mids had the tower directly opposite Beno (tow 1 maybe?) and albs were pretty much outnumbered at least until about 6:30am when a few albs did turn up and equal the numbers...Was alot of fun, and made a change to the usual deadness of RvR I seem to find at that time in the morning. Really thought you were gonna get the relic, was a good hard fought battle on both sides, felt really glad to of been a part of it. Hope it was as fun and thrilling from the mid side as it was the alb.

 

[Chronictank]

Cant see how is it unfair to take the relics back while mid/hib are on an ML rush raid. Eye for an eye etc.....

Tho, its a diferent matter if those hibs/mids on a supposed ML rush raid decide to suicide n defend or carry on with the raid.



Dont need to be the brightest mind in the class to guess that was not accidentally. You can give it a go assuming albs will stop ML raid n defend the relics, then ¡Voilá!, "accidentally" you find that theres free way to get the relics w/o oposition.

as i said before last 2-3 primetime alb relic attempts were during one of my ml raids, at least you were given the choice to defend or not.
Not that it matters Relic Raids will never be as fun as what they were before NF for the simple reason the biggest zerg wins. There is no "skill" there are no real "tactics" aside from diversion, after that its just pure numbers.
In a standoff without chokepoints albs will win 99% the time.
The days where gank grps would come in and even the balance are over

 

[Jarod]

What i remember from OF RR's was just that every time Alb tried to do something the server chrashed and result was that Alb did not have any relics for a really really long time ( yeah yeah, i know past is the past )

so that you whining now that we can take them back when ever we want (albs that is) is kindof pathetic

Not that it matters Relic Raids will never be as fun as what they were before NF for the simple reason the biggest zerg wins. There is no "skill" there are no real "tactics" aside from diversion, after that its just pure numbers.
In a standoff without chokepoints albs will win 99% the time.
The days where gank grps would come in and even the balance are over

And it was some mids/hibs that said "Get over OF" etc. when there was a post from earlier RR's thread and here you come bring it back over and over ... uke:

really funny to see all mids (most of them anyways) want OF back ... cant blame them really having relics 24/7 for them self wasnt so bad. was it ??

 

[Chronictank]

What i remember from OF RR's was just that every time Alb tried to do something the server chrashed and result was that Alb did not have any relics for a really really long time ( yeah yeah, i know past is the past )

so that you whining now that we can take them back when ever we want (albs that is) is kindof pathetic

Then you have a VERY narrow view of OF when it was in its prime, yes it crashed but only folowing the unstable badly coded patches of early Toa.
Albs didnt have a relic for a very very long time because albs didnt try anything than power in numbers approach for the most part.
Back in the day when alb had a strong leadership circle raids were actually organised, and instructions were laid out before hand because thats how it HAD TO be done to get the relic prime time. It wasn't just charge in en mass because a fg (proven by dem hibbies) could hold off superior numbers on a chokepoint i.e the doors or the lord room. Every other class under the stars also didnt have a insta interupt.

Now take a few minutes rather than half a milisecond to actually read my post
"Originally Posted by Chronictank
Not that it matters Relic Raids will never be as fun as what they were before NF for the simple reason the biggest zerg wins. There is no "skill" there are no real "tactics" aside from diversion, after that its just pure numbers.
In a standoff without chokepoints albs will win 99% the time.
The days where gank grps would come in and even the balance are over"
Doesnt matter what realm it is, in NF the biggest zerg wins whether it be mid/hib/alb, atm its alb when clustering comes who knows

And it was some mids/hibs that said "Get over OF" etc. when there was a post from earlier RR's thread and here you come bring it back over and over ... uke:

really funny to see all mids (most of them anyways) want OF back ... cant blame them really having relics 24/7 for them self wasnt so bad. was it ??

Nice generalisation which has nothing to do whatsoever with my post, then why quote me? because i used the acronym OF and you didnt actually bother to read the post.

When someone had the relic it was alot harder to take than it is now

Personally id rather they change relic bonuses to rp&xp bonuses rather than what they are right now

 

[Flimgoblin]

as i said before last 2-3 primetime alb relic attempts were during one of my ml raids, at least you were given the choice to defend or not.
Not that it matters Relic Raids will never be as fun as what they were before NF for the simple reason the biggest zerg wins. There is no "skill" there are no real "tactics" aside from diversion, after that its just pure numbers.
In a standoff without chokepoints albs will win 99% the time.
The days where gank grps would come in and even the balance are over

in OF relic raids were about "getting to the relic temple undiscovered with as many people as possible" - that was it... if you got discovered on the way, or too many defenders got in whilst you got through the doors - game over (either a crash or defenders combined with relic guards tore up the raid).
There were never any relic raid "tactics" other than diversion and "not being seen" (see: trebbing keep doors down whilst cheesily engaging guards) and having a big enough zerg to get through the doors quick.


This is why all these exquisitely planned ardamel raids were done from 8am to 10am at a weekend with 200 people they could be over and done with in an hour or two max, with the enemy only being aware for 30m of it.

We had a number of different alb raids which took keeps first, went straight for the relic, logged in primetime and charged for the relic keep - all sorts of tactics were tried and failed due to the server crashing.

NF relic captures are far more involved - if you think all that matters is the zerg then you can't have been in the renaris lord room on sunday - was less than half as many mids as albs and they held us off for an hour.

You can defend with fewer numbers but a good strategy will divide your opponents forces and let you win. Sure gank groups don't have _as_ big an effect as they used to but a well set up group defending a lord room will be hard to beat and a gank group in the back of your zerg is going to cause a lot of casualties - it's not quite "aoe mezz, pbaoe pbaoe pbaoe, 100 dead albs" any more but mids showed on sunday how devastating a pbaoe bomb in the back can still be.

Taking a relic from a keep (retake of a relic) can be somewhat similar to an old style relic raid, taking a relic from a relic temple is a war of attrition unless you grossly outnumber the enemy. Even then it's going to take time and patience and if the numbers even up even slightly you can break the zerg's morale and win.

 

[Gear]

What is the problem there?
A simple fgm roaming.
Jesus, get over it!
Regards, Glottis

FG = 8, now back to school for you lad.

 

[Muylaetrix]

oh well, grats on taking the relics folks.

some points though..

- the tried and tested `mids and hibs can`t compete due to their numerical disadvantage` seems to have been swepped away in 12 hours. After all the whining of the last months about it, i almost came to believe it. Now we lost the relics the numbers of mids and hibs in rvr has doubled or so it seems.

- albion has a HUGE disadvantage when it comes to AE damage. it was bad before catacombs, it become worse with catacombs. it seems to me that EVERY focus using class in hibernia and midgard can spec in at least one line for AE damage. try get in a lordroom where it seems that 1 out of 3 (slightly overexagerated ofc) of the mids present can pbaoe without suffereing interupts or in a lord room where 2-3 bianshee can cover most of its surface and turning it into a killingzone where everything dies in 2 secs, if they pass the 2 or 3 pbaoe casters at the door that is.... uke:

oh well, i am stocking up on redbull and coffee for the next 12 hour + `no sleep till we bring home a relic` raid.

cyas.

 

[Muylaetrix]

>>FG = 8, now back to school for you lad.

For some people the self impossed standard of running as a fg means shit.
I`ll run with as many guildies/friends as i have who want to join with me for most parts. Sometimes that is more than a fg, sometimes it is less, by accident it might be 8 people, till someone else leaves or wants to join.

a guild group is not a fg (hehe, guess i learned that from TD )

 

[Icebreaker]

FG = 8, now back to school for you lad.

Nah, those Mids in the Screenshot look like the usual Alb standard Group.

 

[anioal]

Taking a relic from a keep (retake of a relic) can be somewhat similar to an old style relic raid, taking a relic from a relic temple is a war of attrition unless you grossly outnumber the enemy.

that WAS, IS and WILL allways be the case... in mass rvr albs will grossly outnumber the hibs and significantly outnumber the mids. last sunday was an exception because 250 albs wanted ML's instead of relics and even with those numbers in pve, albs had enough defenders to hold the hibs at boldiam and later on there was no way hibs could take hurbury because of alb numbers massed there.

and lets not forget that albs are easy mode in mass rvr not only because of numbers but also because of the sheer number of sorcs they can get out there at any given time, that is while hibs are having a very hard time geting a bard for every group in the field.

 

[Glottis]

that WAS, IS and WILL allways be the case... in mass rvr albs will grossly outnumber the hibs and significantly outnumber the mids. last sunday was an exception because 250 albs wanted ML's instead of relics and even with those numbers in pve, albs had enough defenders to hold the hibs at boldiam and later on there was no way hibs could take hurbury because of alb numbers massed there.

and lets not forget that albs are easy mode in mass rvr not only because of numbers but also because of the sheer number of sorcs they can get out there at any given time, that is while hibs are having a very hard time geting a bard for every group in the field.

Stay of the drugs if you cannot handle them matey...
Bit odd that is it widely known and accepted that Hib and Mids classes are better suited for rvr, yet you manage to state that a lot of Albs is better than than an equal number of Hibs/Mids...
If 1 Hib is equal to 1.5Alb class then 30 Hibs will be better than 30 Albs...
Regards, Glottis

 

[Flimgoblin]

that WAS, IS and WILL allways be the case... in mass rvr albs will grossly outnumber the hibs and significantly outnumber the mids. last sunday was an exception because 250 albs wanted ML's instead of relics and even with those numbers in pve, albs had enough defenders to hold the hibs at boldiam and later on there was no way hibs could take hurbury because of alb numbers massed there.

and lets not forget that albs are easy mode in mass rvr not only because of numbers but also because of the sheer number of sorcs they can get out there at any given time, that is while hibs are having a very hard time geting a bard for every group in the field.

umm... last I checked albs didn't have >50% of the server population. If hibs and mids both attack then there will be more of them than there are albs.

Last time we had any stats worth using it was approximately 37% albs for rvr active people... (though when we had 6 relics it's quite possible that glory hunters moving to alb and low morale on the other realms would change that %age)

I wish aoe mezz killed people then we'd do really well... aoe damage is what kills things in siege and albion sorely lacks it.

 

[elbeek]

that WAS, IS and WILL allways be the case... in mass rvr albs will grossly outnumber the hibs and significantly outnumber the mids. last sunday was an exception because 250 albs wanted ML's instead of relics and even with those numbers in pve, albs had enough defenders to hold the hibs at boldiam and later on there was no way hibs could take hurbury because of alb numbers massed there.

and lets not forget that albs are easy mode in mass rvr not only because of numbers but also because of the sheer number of sorcs they can get out there at any given time, that is while hibs are having a very hard time geting a bard for every group in the field.

And in the morning I woke up and had to chip my way out of my bed with a toffee hammer.