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[Spriten]

Enyone more then me that whants it back?

Think its time for the gimp zerg to make a stand soon


Sprit
octagon
vaz
blomman
mauser

 

[Amadon]

I'd rather help the Albs get the str relics

p.s. nerf savages

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Amadon
I'd rather help the Albs get the str relics

p.s. nerf savages

ooo. can you take and hold 5/6 keeps for us?

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Pin
ooo. can you take and hold 5/6 keeps for us?

No, but I can whine about savages and keep Mids busy for a few hours trying to defend their overpowered status

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Amadon
No, but I can whine about savages and keep Mids busy for a few hours trying to defend their overpowered status

probably good enough. thanks

 

[ardamels]

Lousy attempt last night, we knew where you were all along Better luck next time and please come prime time, not at 01 am CET.

 

[<Harle>]

was just as much prime-time as your raid, when you take server-load as a measure

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by ardamels
Lousy attempt last night, we knew where you were all along Better luck next time and please come prime time, not at 01 am CET.

The attempt last night was out of boredom because all Mids and Albs were playing in Mid frontier.
It was a spur of the moment raid, and no-one really had any expectations of success.
We only decided to go try at about 10pm GMT anyway, so it took about 2 hours to get there - not like it was planned for 5am - unlike yours.
If we plan a relic raid, it'll be for a reasonable hour where we can get vaguely decent numbers out.

 

[Armolas]

Originally posted by ardamels
Lousy attempt last night, we knew where you were all along Better luck next time and please come prime time, not at 01 am CET.

Yeah your spies in the CG reported our positions to you ofc

PS (and this is serious, not the sarcy BS above) If we take it a relic at 12 pm (aka 1 am CET) will you use that as an "excuse" for a 7 am (aka 6am CET) raid the next w/e? Would really like to know, cos afaic it doesn't get much more prime time than midnight.

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Armolas
Yeah your spies in the CG reported our positions to you ofc

PS (and this is serious, not the sarcy BS above) If we take it a relic at 12 pm (aka 1 am CET) will you use that as an "excuse" for a 7 am (aka 6am CET) raid the next w/e? Would really like to know, cos afaic it doesn't get much more prime time than midnight.

Yes we will take that as an excuse so don't. Past 00.00 is never primetime. Take them before 00.00 CET if you can I seriously doubt that you can though, not because of lack of skill but because of lack of ppl.

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Amadon
The attempt last night was out of boredom because all Mids and Albs were playing in Mid frontier.
It was a spur of the moment raid, and no-one really had any expectations of success.
We only decided to go try at about 10pm GMT anyway, so it took about 2 hours to get there - not like it was planned for 5am - unlike yours.
If we plan a relic raid, it'll be for a reasonable hour where we can get vaguely decent numbers out.

Our SBs spotted you leaving Odin's. After that we got contineous reports on your movements and knew exactly where you were. We knew albs didn't dare to leave Bled, so it was safe to go after you

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by ardamels
Our SBs spotted you leaving Odin's. After that we got contineous reports on your movements and knew exactly where you were. We knew albs didn't dare to leave Bled, so it was safe to go after you

thanks for the free rps then btw

the fight @ that village was fun

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Amadon
thanks for the free rps then btw

the fight @ that village was fun

Likewise I took my share before going down and later we wiped many hibs at Grallar and at Glenlock. My guess is that, you being discovered, some of you decided to go for a keep but got intercepted at Glenlock.

 

[old.Kerosene]

Originally posted by ardamels
Lousy attempt last night, we knew where you were all along Better luck next time and please come prime time, not at 01 am CET.

Only reason Mids didn't do a raid yesterday early morning was coz the servers went down for maintenance. Sorry alarm clock kiddies.

 

[old.Xanthian]

Originally posted by ardamels
Likewise I took my share before going down and later we wiped many hibs at Grallar and at Glenlock. My guess is that, you being discovered, some of you decided to go for a keep but got intercepted at Glenlock.

Yeah VGN decided to go for Glenlock, then .. 20 second lag, next thing I was dead.

Having /effects all with 100+ mids in the area isnt a good idea

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by ardamels
Yes we will take that as an excuse so don't. Past 00.00 is never primetime. Take them before 00.00 CET if you can I seriously doubt that you can though, not because of lack of skill but because of lack of ppl.

yeah, cuz slightly past midnight, when there still is alot of action on the server, and 7 am, when there is like 50 max in each realm normaly, is the same.

 

[Brennik]

Of course it is, especially for the poor "underpopulated" and "underpowered" Middies! What where you thinking?

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by old.Kerosene
Only reason Mids didn't do a raid yesterday early morning was coz the servers went down for maintenance. Sorry alarm clock kiddies.

I think we've proven our dedication to raid hibs on prime time, we raided them at 20.00 CET, 19 CET and 17 CET. The first two times the server crashed but when the server got an upgrade we raided them successfully with over 2100 ppl online. Why would mids want to raid anyone atm? Have you done a /relic lately?

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Gahldir
yeah, cuz slightly past midnight, when there still is alot of action on the server, and 7 am, when there is like 50 max in each realm normaly, is the same.

Well what can I say? I'm a morning person I hate when ppl raid past midnight and to me it's the same. So yes, raiding us past midnight will result in hibs losing all the relics in a lame morning raid. Why should I bother to go through all the fuss of making prime time raids if you do not? You've proven that you can raid on prime time so do it again. But sure go ahead, you will only make it easy for mids. Prime time raids are much more fun and I definitely prefer to do such raids before morning raids but I won't raid on prime time if it's for nothing... Albs learnt this the hard way, whenever they raid us on times mids don't like, they lose them right away in the same way.

For the past 9 months, I've been the only person who has arranged relic raids in Midgard so my views on this has some minor impact on what mids do. If Jahar is still around, I'm sure he'll do the right thing. I like his raids

 

[Demolay]

Some bloke once wrote this ...

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious."

Oh aye it's that bloody Sun Tzu - i.e. we'll fight when we can win be that 4:00 am 4:00Pm etc it's war aint it

Of course this also applies to our Mid chums .....

"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance."

except we aren't pretending lol

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Demolay
Some bloke once wrote this ...

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious."

Oh aye it's that bloody Sun Tzu - i.e. we'll fight when we can win be that 4:00 am 4:00Pm etc it's war aint it

Of course this also applies to our Mid chums .....

"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance."

except we aren't pretending lol

This is not a war, this is a game m8 Sure make it a war and see where it leads, see who's the most persistent in this matter. When the pwr relics have ping ponged a few times, some hib will ask: "why bother to take the relics if we only lose them at hours we cannot defend them?"

Albs thought the same as you do now and perhaps some of them still do but they realize that it's not a clever thing to grab relics at an hour you're not prepared to lose them. We raided Dagda last december at a very lame hour with a puny little force of 45 ppl and took 2 relics, it's not something we're very proud of but we did it with the knowledge that we could lose them at a similar hour. We did it to get relic raids going again in our realm and it worked. But then hibs did something unexpected. Hibs raided at prime time and took one of the relics at an honourable hour, the other relic that hibs took was at a more questionable hour but atleast mids had ppl online then. Astonish us again and do the same, don't come past midnight because that will result in you losing all relics immidiately. Ask yourself this question: If you had to choose, would you prefer 200 mids at Dagda at 06.00 am or at 18.00 pm?

From a mid point of view we're even now. We raided you at a lame hour and you took back atleast one of them in a honourable way and the other at a lame hour, you also did atleast 3 other attempts in the night hours. Now mids have raided Dagda 3 times at prime time with well over 2000 players online each time.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by ardamels
From a mid point of view we're even now. We raided you at a lame hour and you took back atleast one of them in a honourable way and the other at a lame hour, you also did atleast 3 other attempts in the night hours. Now mids have raided Dagda 3 times at prime time with well over 2000 players online each time.

spare us your threats and justification for your bullshit early morning raids

you have redeemed yourself somewhat with the last raid, don't ruin it.

both hib relic raids on mid to get the pwr relics were at reasonable times, nowhere near as pathetic as your 5am one

we are NOT even, hib still could justify an early morning raid but tbh not many want to degenerate to your initial level

 

[Draggnarok]

I kinda organised the raid, simply cos i had 2 fgs running in emain
To the Mids:
TBH i didnt expect it to succeed, I was expecting albs raid to go better, we didnt recieve reports that albs where not even attack str relics till after we we're wiped.
TBH i doubt u didnt have spies in the /cg or just some indepentant char who likes mid more than hib simply cos i fail to believe u have the exact loc i only gave in the cg i didnt mind was great battle at the little camp place and the aggro mobs dropped alot of good items was kick ass battle would like to see more of em
To Albs
DAMN YOU!!! cheers for taking their keeps hibs will never have enuff ppl to take keeps similtainiously and then move a force onto pwr relic so u did us quite the service /cheers
To Hibs
I think the raid was fun had we: A) not been descovered and B)gotten our enitre force together and C) followed the plan of attack and ofc D) if mids had been too busy at str relics who knows how far we would have gotten. Got a few rps from it and to the issue of a 'prime time raid'
to all realms: I personnal define prime time raids as 7pm GMT - 1am GMT after 1 gmt its not prime, AS: all lvl 50s log on from 6gmt - 7 gmt and 85% continue to play until 12am and begin log offs at 12am-1am, by 1 am all lvl 50s are all but logged off, now in my eyes, lvl 40+s do play roles in RR, but tbh, i only care about lvl 50s (sry to lvl 40's i was there once) thus raids organised by me (guarantee u WONT see 1 more of em ) will go from 6gmt - 12gmt. I called all members of the cf alliance at 9pm gmt wen we realised albs must be raiding mids (keep reports) to find out wat numbers our alliance could produce asap, all alliances where notified and otw to mid by 9:30gmt, our forces had pretty much gather by 10:30 and we had assigned rams and guardians to all doors / entry points. The Meeting point was reach by force 1 at 11:30 (approx) and were forced to execute 25mins early at 12am. So if u follow my logic was prime time, and wen a raid happens just before prime times over, then prime time can go until raid is over imo so sorry if that annoies mids and albs, but think its fairer to raid wen hibs are at their peek, not albs and mids dont know ur log in and log out times and tbh dont care
cheers for your time
/Draggnarok

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

http://camelot-europe.goa.com/stats/stats.php?lng=en

there, now that shows you how primetime a raid is.

12 midnight == 4 pm.

12 midnight >> anything earlier than 4pm.

even 3AM is more primetime than anything b4 11am.

and quote BST or GMT on a euro server k thanks.

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Amadon
spare us your threats and justification for your bullshit early morning raids

you have redeemed yourself somewhat with the last raid, don't ruin it.

both hib relic raids on mid to get the pwr relics were at reasonable times, nowhere near as pathetic as your 5am one

we are NOT even, hib still could justify an early morning raid but tbh not many want to degenerate to your initial level

Well then you'll never get to keep any relics you take. The relics mids took back in december were actually taken at around 8-9 am CET but we started much earlier. The last successful relic raid from hibs on mids was in no way respectable, it was clever from a tactical point of view, but way past midnight for 80% of the mid population. Go ahead, learn it the hard way. If you do it this way, it'll only be contra productive for you.

We want to raid you guys on prime time, we've proven that we can. But you obviously don't have what it takes anymore.

Oh and btw, in my opinion it's way better to start at a initially low lvl and rise and develop than to take over from morally high grounds and degenerate like you.

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Draggnarok
I kinda organised the raid, simply cos i had 2 fgs running in emain
To the Mids:
TBH i didnt expect it to succeed, I was expecting albs raid to go better, we didnt recieve reports that albs where not even attack str relics till after we we're wiped.
TBH i doubt u didnt have spies in the /cg or just some indepentant char who likes mid more than hib simply cos i fail to believe u have the exact loc i only gave in the cg i didnt mind was great battle at the little camp place and the aggro mobs dropped alot of good items was kick ass battle would like to see more of em
To Albs
DAMN YOU!!! cheers for taking their keeps hibs will never have enuff ppl to take keeps similtainiously and then move a force onto pwr relic so u did us quite the service /cheers
To Hibs
I think the raid was fun had we: A) not been descovered and B)gotten our enitre force together and C) followed the plan of attack and ofc D) if mids had been too busy at str relics who knows how far we would have gotten. Got a few rps from it and to the issue of a 'prime time raid'
to all realms: I personnal define prime time raids as 7pm GMT - 1am GMT after 1 gmt its not prime, AS: all lvl 50s log on from 6gmt - 7 gmt and 85% continue to play until 12am and begin log offs at 12am-1am, by 1 am all lvl 50s are all but logged off, now in my eyes, lvl 40+s do play roles in RR, but tbh, i only care about lvl 50s (sry to lvl 40's i was there once) thus raids organised by me (guarantee u WONT see 1 more of em ) will go from 6gmt - 12gmt. I called all members of the cf alliance at 9pm gmt wen we realised albs must be raiding mids (keep reports) to find out wat numbers our alliance could produce asap, all alliances where notified and otw to mid by 9:30gmt, our forces had pretty much gather by 10:30 and we had assigned rams and guardians to all doors / entry points. The Meeting point was reach by force 1 at 11:30 (approx) and were forced to execute 25mins early at 12am. So if u follow my logic was prime time, and wen a raid happens just before prime times over, then prime time can go until raid is over imo so sorry if that annoies mids and albs, but think its fairer to raid wen hibs are at their peek, not albs and mids dont know ur log in and log out times and tbh dont care
cheers for your time
/Draggnarok

80% of the mid population live in non GMT zones. The English are in a minority in Midgard. Past 00.00 CET (23.00 GMT) mid numbers start to drop drastically so for us 1 am GMT is far from prime time. We have lots of Russian, Estonian and Finnish players for whom 1 am GMT is 3 am (GMT +2 hours) so you may imagine that we don't like when you raid past midnight. May it be that you don't care, but do you think we'll care when you whine about early morning raids then?

We did NOT have any spies in your CG, we frequently kick ppl who spy or have double accounts. A SB spotted you leaving Odin's, then we simply just had to follow the trail of enchanter pet lag ghosts all the way to the west zonewall in Yggdra. The lag ghosts can stay several minutes. It took a while before we found exactly where you hid, but we knew you were W of Grallarhorn all along. Hibs do have ppl for multiple keep takes, only need 25 ppl with enough rams do grab a keep and when multiple keeps get attacked it causes chaos. All it takes is organization. Raid us past 00.00 CET and you'll have to start over again, cuz there is nothing easier then to pull off a raid on hibs off prime time, we did it with 45 ppl and that included multiple keep takes. I sense you're the kind of person who'll be bending these times some, and that's a choice you're free to make. Just be prepared to have the favour returned.

Jahar, show this guy how it's done

 

[Novamir]

male dwarf runie is still the gayest looking char in daoc

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Novamir
male dwarf runie is still the gayest looking char in daoc

Nah, it'd have to be celts with the punk hair style or them sissy elphs

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by ardamels
Well then you'll never get to keep any relics you take.

so it's fine for you but not for us
luvvvvvvvvverly!

The relics mids took back in december were actually taken at around 8-9 am CET but we started much earlier.

i'll take your word for it

The last successful relic raid from hibs on mids was in no way respectable, it was clever from a tactical point of view, but way past midnight for 80% of the mid population.

the last successful relic raid from hibs on mids was when albs were raiding mjollner, you had shitloads of people on at the time and it was well acknowledged by both realms that the only reason we got the relic was because you cared more about the str relics

Go ahead, learn it the hard way. If you do it this way, it'll only be contra productive for you.

speaking from experience?

We want to raid you guys on prime time, we've proven that we can. But you obviously don't have what it takes anymore.

yes it helps outnumbering the opposing realm by over 35%

Oh and btw, in my opinion it's way better to start at a initially low lvl and rise and develop than to take over from morally high grounds and degenerate like you.

you'll forgive me for not valuing your opinion much on this matter I hope
And as yet I haven't led a relic raid, so I'm not sure where you feel I've degenerated to your low moral ground?

 

[Garnet]

yes it helps outnumbering the opposing realm by over 35% <- thats not our fault.

the last successful relic raid from hibs on mids was when albs were raiding mjollner, you had shitloads of people on at the time and it was well acknowledged by both realms that the only reason we got the relic was because you cared more about the str relics <-- 100% true

The relics mids took back in december were actually taken at around 8-9 am CET but we started much earlier. <-- Started the day before where we held and defending taken Albion keeps until the day of the relic raid as planned.