relic

[ardamels]

Originally posted by Amadon
so it's fine for you but not for us
luvvvvvvvvverly!

You raided us prime time but also on multiple occasions off prime time, still we sticked to raiding you on weekends between the hours 17-20 pm CET. You were saying what? We owed you guys one for the one raid you did manage to pull off on prime time. And we didn't whine too much when you came the really late hours.

i'll take your word for it

It's true

the last successful relic raid from hibs on mids was when albs were raiding mjollner, you had shitloads of people on at the time and it was well acknowledged by both realms that the only reason we got the relic was because you cared more about the str relics

Yeah, but did you see the massive /cg leave spam we had past 00.00? I did, the only reason you succeeded was because we didn't have the ppl to hold both albs and hibs at bay. We had to make a choice and we made the right one.

speaking from experience?

In a way yes, I just finished a similar relic raid war with the albs. Do a /relic and see who won. And I didn't set a clock for any of the raids on albs Although I suspect I will if you keep going like you do now.

yes it helps outnumbering the opposing realm by over 35%[/B]

Perhaps it does, but it's more about speed than numbers. Lots of ppl means slow moving around. A smaller relic raid force is much more preferable. But hibs DO have enough numbers to hit 2 keeps and to attack the relic fort at the same time, it's hard but not that hard. Those two keep taking forces can then move to the next two keeps and voila hibs will then have 4 out of 7 keeps in a realm who only have 50% über guard spawn. We know this very well, that's why we defend our keeps so vigorously

you'll forgive me for not valuing your opinion much on this matter I hope
And as yet I haven't led a relic raid, so I'm not sure where you feel I've degenerated to your low moral ground?

Unless I'm not totally mistaken, it's the mids who are on morally high ground for the moment and hibs who are slipping down the ladder of moral grounds. The reason I'm bitching with you is that I don't want to raid you off peak hours but if you keep on going I will. We've shown our dedication to raid hibs on prime time, now return the favour. Do continue to whine about your low numbers when you frequently bring 200+ ppl for realm defense, plan well enough and organize it accordingly and those 200 will come on a prime time raid. You may have lower numbers than mids and albs, but that doesn't mean you can't do multiple keep takes. And above all, it doesn't mean you can't place a chanter zerg at the entrances to Grallarhorn.

 

[old.Kerosene]

Ardamel,

What in God's teeth are you doing on the Hib board if you're not here to troll?

 

[Jayce_DA]

Ardamels

/Salute for trying to keep some sort of Honour going.

 

[Rubric]

Our saviour is one Elric,
The man is really so slick,
Jumble up the word,
Its not that absurd,
You'll find out it spells relic.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by ardamels
You raided us prime time but also on multiple occasions off prime time, still we sticked to raiding you on weekends between the hours 17-20 pm CET. You were saying what? We owed you guys one for the one raid you did manage to pull off on prime time. And we didn't whine too much when you came the really late hours.

none of the off prime time raids were planned, they were thrown together, spur of the moment things, and anyone who partakes in them knows the chance of success is minimal at best. there's a big difference between planning to do an off peak raid well in advance and deciding on the spur of the moment to do it - primarily in that the latter will not result in you having over inflated numbers of people on at an inappropriate time, by the nature of being spur-of-the-moment.

Yeah, but did you see the massive /cg leave spam we had past 00.00? I did, the only reason you succeeded was because we didn't have the ppl to hold both albs and hibs at bay.

By your implication that the raid was off peak because you didnt have sufficient numbers to hold both Albs and Hibs at bay, it follows that any raid on Hib is off peak since we never have enough numbers to hold Albs and Mids at bay.

We had to make a choice and we made the right one.

of course, the raid wasn't off peak tho.

In a way yes, I just finished a similar relic raid war with the albs. Do a /relic and see who won. And I didn't set a clock for any of the raids on albs Although I suspect I will if you keep going like you do now.

So you're not talking from experience then (since you instigated the off peak relic raid war), but rather hypothesizing because other realms have leaders who don't sink to such low levels as yourself.

Perhaps it does, but it's more about speed than numbers. Lots of ppl means slow moving around. A smaller relic raid force is much more preferable. But hibs DO have enough numbers to hit 2 keeps and to attack the relic fort at the same time, it's hard but not that hard. Those two keep taking forces can then move to the next two keeps and voila hibs will then have 4 out of 7 keeps in a realm who only have 50% über guard spawn. We know this very well, that's why we defend our keeps so vigorously

You have the numbers to defend your keeps so vigorously, you also have the numbers to have a significant force at the relic keep as well as 2 further keep take forces which are large enough to minimize the risk of failure to take a keep. We do not. If we take 2 keeps, Mids will be at Mjollner within 5 minutes, we do not have enough active druids, wardens and bards to both take keeps with 2 forces and defend the side gates of a relic keep, nevermind all the Mids who are logged in Mjollner already.
There are ways we can do it, but unfortunately they aren't as simplistic as the ways in which Mid and Alb can due to their numbers.

Unless I'm not totally mistaken,

-not

it's the mids who are on morally high ground for the moment and hibs who are slipping down the ladder of moral grounds.

Sorry but you are mistaken. Hibs have not done a planned off peak raid for as long as I can remember, and Mids have done planned off peak raids against Albs more recently than the last failed Hib spur-of-the-moment attempt (if you can even qualify it as an attempt).

The reason I'm bitching with you is that I don't want to raid you off peak hours but if you keep on going I will.

And that's why I keep losing respect for you. Don't base your actions on other people's, because so long as you do so, you can justify anything. Take a moral stand and stick to it regardless of your enemies actions and, firstly, you'll be more likely to impress upon them the worth of your morals, and secondly you won't come across as hypocritical scum.

We've shown our dedication to raid hibs on prime time, now return the favour.

We always have planned to, and never intended to do it any other way, regardless of your actions.

Do continue to whine about your low numbers when you frequently bring 200+ ppl for realm defense,

When Albs attacked Dagda last week, we had 78 people not /anon in Collory. When we defended Dagda, we have about 150 people in total. That figure of 200 people that the guard reports gave MUST have included some Albs.

plan well enough and organize it accordingly and those 200 will come on a prime time raid.

We don't have those numbers. I have never been on a relic raid with close to 200 Hibs in it, including the successful ones.

You may have lower numbers than mids and albs, but that doesn't mean you can't do multiple keep takes.

No but it does mean we can't afford to do multiple keep takes because it will alert you, and we don't have the numbers to attack a defended relic keep.

And above all, it doesn't mean you can't place a chanter zerg at the entrances to Grallarhorn.

I think you'd be surprised if you did a /who enchant 50 on Hibernia - very surprised in fact.
Enchanters are not as common as you think, and often they are alts of people who will be needed to play druids, bards, wardens, mana ments or animists.
I'm not saying we can't do a prime time raid. I know we can, and I'm sure someone will organise one and succeed at some point.
My point was that trying to enforce your moral views on others by threatening people is not a productive approach.
People respond to threats aggressively in general, if you wish to prevent an off peak relic raid war, then just refuse to participate in it and do your best to prevent it. Enough people will respect that that they will follow suite.

 

[yoshimo]

Originally posted by ardamels
80% of the mid population live in non GMT zones. The English are in a minority in Midgard. Past 00.00 CET (23.00 GMT) mid numbers start to drop drastically so for us 1 am GMT is far from prime time. We have lots of Russian, Estonian and Finnish players for whom 1 am GMT is 3 am (GMT +2 hours) so you may imagine that we don't like when you raid past midnight. May it be that you don't care, but do you think we'll care when you whine about early morning raids then?

We did NOT have any spies in your CG, we frequently kick ppl who spy or have double accounts. A SB spotted you leaving Odin's, then we simply just had to follow the trail of enchanter pet lag ghosts all the way to the west zonewall in Yggdra. The lag ghosts can stay several minutes. It took a while before we found exactly where you hid, but we knew you were W of Grallarhorn all along. Hibs do have ppl for multiple keep takes, only need 25 ppl with enough rams do grab a keep and when multiple keeps get attacked it causes chaos. All it takes is organization. Raid us past 00.00 CET and you'll have to start over again, cuz there is nothing easier then to pull off a raid on hibs off prime time, we did it with 45 ppl and that included multiple keep takes. I sense you're the kind of person who'll be bending these times some, and that's a choice you're free to make. Just be prepared to have the favour returned.

Jahar, show this guy how it's done

why cant ppl just read my post, i wont be organising another raid imo cos i simply cba and btw im irish not bloody english and sterotyping like that is ignorant :/
Like i said if i was to organise another raid (proper 1) id launch about 8pm gmt the simple fact was albs raid was so late ours had to be a liddle later getting peeps together and such so dont misdirect ur anger towards hibs m8.

 

[yoshimo]

bah last post was by me draggnarok, cant seem to deactivate yoshis cookies