Reactionary

[Ezeine]

they can do what they want, a SB will still win against a thrust/pierce NS/infil even if they get a stun in wich in 90% will be purged.

That's in theory mate. Will see how it is in practice in the frontiers

PS: My inf will still be thrust even after the patch.

 

[Goretooth]

I don't really see the problem with the way it worked out before 1.82...

Everytime you swing with a nightshade f.ex. you have a certain chance to evade the incoming blow before that and thereby gaining acces to the reactionary style. Same worked out for 2handers.

Now they get a chance to parry on 2 blows or more (depending on their attackspeed ofc) and thereby gaining acces to their reactionaries (meaning a larger percentage of their actually hits will be reactionaries - also a larger portion than nightshades after this patch).

Ofcourse before 1.82 nightshades had the slight advantage of the effect on the reactionaries before - as they could land them more often. But the damage would be about the same overall as you get a larger bonus when actually landing the reactionary with a 2hander. (and the bleeding/stun/slowed are prolly also a bit more effective with 2handers than with 1handweaps... not sure)

And as many before me said; it makes the closecombat gaming a bit easier which isn't a step in the right direction either.

So overall I'd rather be free of it but I'll be okay ...

Cheers,
- Nylis

 

[Gethin]

The reactionary change is actually a nice fix for 2h or SS wielders. I hate fighting dual wielders and have reactionary styles fail due to being hit again before i can swing\complete the style.

This change will allow me complete a style so its a nice fix for scouts/hunters vs dual wielders.

 

[Alme]

but let's say that you don't parry often and thus it happens more often that your reactionary fails.

I admit I'm no tank expert, but when I played this took the piss for me, so I'm glad it's changed =)

P.S. Yes, Valkyrie is a tank =)

if u dont parry often, theres no reason u should land parry style often either..?

 

[Eyres]

But lets take an exxagerated example and say FG swings exactly 3 times as fast as SG, once every second (yes I know this is below cap), and that SG has a 1 in 3 chance to parry FGs attacks, whilst FG has a 1 in 3 chance of evading SGs attacks.

SG now only has to parry one of every 3 of FGs attacks to land a positional, meaning he's got a 8/9 chance of managing a parry reactionary. FG only gets swung at once every 3 seconds, so his chance to style is based only on one attack, thus he's only got a 1 in 3 chance to manage an evade reactionary. In other words SG will be using a reactionary almost every swing but FG only as much as before. SG will not only be doing 3 times the base damage per swing (which is ofc fair enough), but he'll be hitting styles with significantly higher growth rates, and putting out a lot more DPS.

As I said that is an exxageration and the contrast would never be that much, but it will be somewhere approaching that. If you think this is fair then I won't argue the point, but to my mind there's no doubt that mythics intention was purely to make styling easier for lazy people, and this was an unconsidered side effect.

and you think its been fair upto now thats its been easy for people with faster weapons to get off reactionary styles and almost impossible for 2H users to get off reactionary styles?


and as for 2h cutting parry in half..... oh yes now all my problems are solved, not really evade and shield are the two best forms of defense, couldnt care less about parry

and 2h is somthing a class chooses? lol, ask any 2h user the choice of either 2h or dual weild and id bet its dual weild every single time, so much for the choice there, what a rediculous comment

 

[atos]

Might actually try 50 hammer for a few days now. I will however still keep my shield equipped.

 

[Thlauni]

As I understand it the reason for this change is a "not working as intended" ability

Anyone with e.g. a stun of evade, like diamond back or beartooth (think its called beartooth) would use that style multiple times of the same evade, as the target would be stunned, thus no more attacks, thus you can use the style multiple times.

If you all whine enough it is possible mythic will remove the 3 sec windown, but implement a - u can only use this style once of any given reactionary. would that be better?

I see the change impact to slower weapons vs. faster weapons, and I don't have any position on that.

I do however like the attempt at getting the game using the styles instead of the 1 button with perhaps a follow up style preference that has been preference due to inability of getting chains of on a regular basis.

 

[liloe]

As I understand it the reason for this change is a "not working as intended" ability

Anyone with e.g. a stun of evade, like diamond back or beartooth (think its called beartooth) would use that style multiple times of the same evade, as the target would be stunned, thus no more attacks, thus you can use the style multiple times.

If you all whine enough it is possible mythic will remove the 3 sec windown, but implement a - u can only use this style once of any given reactionary. would that be better?

I see the change impact to slower weapons vs. faster weapons, and I don't have any position on that.

I do however like the attempt at getting the game using the styles instead of the 1 button with perhaps a follow up style preference that has been preference due to inability of getting chains of on a regular basis.

you can still use a reactionary multiple times with the change, if I'm not wrong.

And Alme. If you have low parry you shouldn't get off a parry reactive often, but never getting it off sux aswell.

 

[Gethin]

you can still use a reactionary multiple times with the change, if I'm not wrong.

You can get off multiple reactionaries but only if you block/evade multiple times. AFAIK there are no more multiple reactionaries off the same block/evade.

Pre 1.82 was block - beartooth beartooth beartooth
Post 1.82 = block - beartooth, block - beartooth, block - beartooth.

 

[atos]

You can. But you need to get them off within the 3sec window.