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[Raven]

You wot mate.

French cities are absolute crapholes away from the tourist bits, far worse than the UK. Germany isn't better than France, either.

Edit, their trains are like something out of star trek compared to us though.

 

[old.user4556]

Been round the peripherique in Paris. Holy shit.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah, I was going to say - difference between UK cities and continental cities is that continental city centres are more desirable for richer people, whereas in the UK, lots of poorer people live closer to the city = more crime.

Um, I've seen a hell of a lot more burnt out cars out the window of the Metro on my way to CDG, than I've ever seen leaving Heathrow.

 

[Gwadien]

You wot mate.

French cities are absolute crapholes away from the tourist bits, far worse than the UK. Germany isn't better than France, either.

Edit, their trains are like something out of star trek compared to us though.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

UK cities have been pretty slow at advancing compared to continental cities in terms of how they are laid out, Leicester is a prime example of this, only recently there's been a little area which could be considered to have a degree of class about it.

France are a perfect example of ghettos - Paris and Marseille for instance - city centres are alright, touristy and attractive - go into the suburbs and it's a whole different kettle of fish.

 

[Bodhi]

Yay! A brexit inspired race to the bottom.

Queue a brexit supporter saying it doesn't matter anyway as it's good enough for the yanks, or somesuch.

I'll assume when you went to the States a while back you didn't eat any chicken? As if you did, and had a glass of water with it, you will have taken in far more chlorine from the water than you ever would have from the Chicken.

However the best thing is, if we do set up a trade deal with the US, and "teh evil Chlorinated Chicken" is sold over here, you'll have this magical thing called choice. Don't fancy the perfectly safe (and probably cheaper) US Chicken? Buy the UK stuff then.

 

[Raven]

It's only really a problem for people who buy their meat in a cardboard box that says "Southern Fried" or "Garlic and Herb" on it.

Dopey people that think because its ready made it's cheaper than the butcher.

 

[fettoken]

Well, just have to stay away from the hipstery stuff that costs a ton and find a real butcher with decent prices. 8/10 butchers in Stockholm are hipster-butchers that charges an arm and a leg. Matching haircut and leather apron etc.

 

[Raven]

knee deep in decent butchers round here. Cheaper than the supermarket and leagues ahead for quality.

 

[Ormorof]

Only seen 2 or 3 butchers in all of helsinki, not really part of culture here, everything was rationed, nationalised and merged between civil war and end of ww2

 

[Tom]

However the best thing is, if we do set up a trade deal with the US, and "teh evil Chlorinated Chicken" is sold over here, you'll have this magical thing called choice. Don't fancy the perfectly safe (and probably cheaper) US Chicken? Buy the UK stuff then.

What happens when you try to buy a product that contains chicken but which isn't exclusively chicken? Like a supermarket sandwich? Because I'll bet a million pounds that it won't be labelled either way.

 

[Hawkwind]

I bet the trains dont cost as much as the uk there. Its cheaper to drive. Last time I checked it cost over 4k for a year to commute to london, 45 minutes drive away.

Trains are stupidly expensive in UK, wife just went from Yeovil to Oxford then to Falmouth over the weekend and cost close to 200 GBP. Cheaper to hire a car and do it with the petrol included. My flight from Gatwick to Newquay then taxi to Falmouth was 70 GBP, the difference is quite laughable.

 

[Raven]

What happens when you try to buy a product that contains chicken but which isn't exclusively chicken? Like a supermarket sandwich? Because I'll bet a million pounds that it won't be labelled either way.

You could, I dunno, spend 10 minutes making your own sandwiches.

Choice.

Anyway, does anyone actually know the shit that their cheap-ass-quality supermarket crap actually goes through before you eat it? I think a bit of chlorine wash is the least of your worries.

 

[Job]

Laughable..because as posted the mains water is chlorined or we'd all have the shits everyday.
Swimming pools are full of it and I don't even understand why its an issue for chickens.
Just leave a jug of water for 1/2 and the chlorine will evaporate...then wash the meat.
Or..just cook it, it wont harm you.

 

[Job]

Trains are stupidly expensive in UK, wife just went from Yeovil to Oxford then to Falmouth over the weekend and cost close to 200 GBP. Cheaper to hire a car and do it with the petrol included. My flight from Gatwick to Newquay then taxi to Falmouth was 70 GBP, the difference is quite laughable.

Well you know my stance, but yes...maybe Limo companies could start an app..if four people want to do roughly the same journey, they can fuck the train off...get picked up from the house, dropped off at destination front door for far less than the train.

 

[Moriath]

Well you know my stance, but yes...maybe Limo companies could start an app..if four people want to do roughly the same journey, they can fuck the train off...get picked up from the house, dropped off at destination front door for far less than the train.

But have to sit in the queues on the motorways and take longer.

 

[Job]

Door to door works out about the same.

 

[Raven]

Quicker by car, always.

Fewer plebs, cheaper, not as depressing.

 

[Moriath]

Quicker by car, always.

Fewer plebs, cheaper, not as depressing.

Car is so not quicker. Its three hours to paris on the train. Try driving that in three hours.

Kings cross to stevenage is 30-40 mins by train. No way you do that fast in a car.

 

[old.user4556]

Edinburgh to London, far quicker by train.

 

[Job]

Thats a pretty train friendly specific journey, youre looking at 2hrs 20mins faster on the train..take 1/2 each end for transfers..add the 20 mins early you would turn up to be safe and its an hour faster.
But tbh its what journey you want...if got to get there asap and need to work on a laptop, then the train nails it.
For any journey I would ever do from thise two cities in a car would involve sightseeing, stopoffs, a few kips, a pub lunch and let it take me 10hrs.
I know what I'd prefer.
Guess the trains good for long journeys for people who are having to do the trip for work.

 

[Bodhi]

It really does depend on the journey - for instance from mine in Stafford to the Centre of Birmingham it always works out that little bit quicker, due to the M6 and driving round Birmingham Centre. But from mine to my work on the outskirts of Brum, car wins every time, as I need to get a train into the centre then a bus out to Quinton.

Interesting one for me was Stafford to Glasgow - didn't consider the train option, but compared to flying driving was faster, given it was 45 minutes to Birmingham Airport, wait at Airport for 1-1.5hr, 45 minute flight, then a bit of dicking around at Glasgow Airport, then 20 minutes to the customer in a Taxi - worked out about 30 mins quicker to drive (I can get to Glasgow in 3hrs 15 from Stafford).

However only time I will take a train is going into City Centres, otherwise car is a far better way of going, no matter the time comparison. Less morons, less chance of getting a disease, more comfortable, I can smoke, and I can't be asked to do any work.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'll assume when you went to the States a while back you didn't eat any chicken? As if you did, and had a glass of water with it, you will have taken in far more chlorine from the water than you ever would have from the Chicken.

However the best thing is, if we do set up a trade deal with the US, and "teh evil Chlorinated Chicken" is sold over here, you'll have this magical thing called choice. Don't fancy the perfectly safe (and probably cheaper) US Chicken? Buy the UK stuff then.

In places like fast food chains and the cheaper supermarkets the "UK stuff" will be gone. Sure, don't eat in fast food joints, but poor(er) people don't get the choice. A trade deal with the US will drive a coach and horses through food standards, because the UK will need the deal far more than the US does for political reasons, and the great British public will end up taking it right up the arse. Unlubed.

 

[Bodhi]

In places like fast food chains and the cheaper supermarkets the "UK stuff" will be gone. Sure, don't eat in fast food joints, but poor(er) people don't get the choice. A trade deal with the US will drive a coach and horses through food standards, because the UK will need the deal far more than the US does for political reasons, and the great British public will end up taking it right up the arse. Unlubed.

What, by being forced to eat something passed as safe by the European Food Standards Agency? I am officially worried.

 

[DaGaffer]

What, by being forced to eat something passed as safe by the European Food Standards Agency? I am officially worried.

The European Food Standards Agency that will have no bearing on the UK after 2019? You should be. Go and take a look at what NAFTA did to food standards in Mexico thanks to American agri-business, then get back to me.

 

[Bodhi]

The European Food Standards Agency that will have no bearing on the UK after 2019? You should be. Go and take a look at what NAFTA did to food standards in Mexico thanks to American agri-business, then get back to me.

Strange how that EU body has deemed it to be safe, yet the EU have decided to ban it. Almost as if it's nothing to do with Food Safety!

 

[Scouse]

I'll assume when you went to the States a while back you didn't eat any chicken? As if you did, and had a glass of water with it, you will have taken in far more chlorine from the water than you ever would have from the Chicken.

However the best thing is, if we do set up a trade deal with the US, and "teh evil Chlorinated Chicken" is sold over here, you'll have this magical thing called choice. Don't fancy the perfectly safe (and probably cheaper) US Chicken? Buy the UK stuff then.

I figured you'd be the supporter of a race to the bottom. It's not just safety, it's food standards, animal welfare standards, knock-on for immunisation issues (all the antibiotics (and growth hormones)), pressure on our own farms - and it's not about "choice" - as I pointed out the poor have no choice.

The Chlorinated Chicken thing is just the poster-boy for a myriad of issues.

But hey, you can take the boy out of Stoke...

 

[Raven]

Replace "poor" with "dumb people" and you might be on to something. There is no reason to buy cheap regurgitated crap from the super market.

 

[Scouse]

Replace "poor" with "dumb people" and you might be on to something. There is no reason to buy cheap regurgitated crap from the super market.

Won't end up just supermarkets selling it. It'll lower UK farm standards, animal welfare, labelling etc. etc. and UK producers will start producing it.

Edit: Look, it'll rarely affect me directly. I buy all my meat direct from select organic farms and most of my vegetables in the same way. I never buy pre-packed food, or processed food or basically any of the easy stuff that people buy. All the food we cook ourselves we cook from fresh.

It's expensive, but I'm not poor and you are what you eat.

Where it'll hit is eating out. Even though I would never be seen dead in McShits, Nandos, Subway or any of the myriad other cheap-but-pointless calorie outlets, restaurants will still start using things as it's going to affect their bottom line and, at the end of the day, they're businesses.

Sure they'll dress that shit up well, but if you want to eat out and can't afford michelin-starred £500/pop meals it'll be effectively impossible to avoid it or avoid contributing to all the associated crap that goes with it without making yourself some sort of social pariah.

 

[Raven]

Seeing as, for the most part, UK food standards are far superior to current legislation which we actually adhere to, unlike our friends in the EU, I don't think it will be much of an issue.
People will still demand the best and animal welfare has never been so high on the agenda in the farming industry. It is what customers are demanding, it is what farmers have to provide.

Yes, shit will still be pumped into crap "meat" but like I said, there is no reason to buy that, certainly not a financial reason.

 

[Bodhi]

I figured you'd be the supporter of a race to the bottom. It's not just safety, it's food standards, animal welfare standards, knock-on for immunisation issues (all the antibiotics (and growth hormones)), pressure on our own farms - and it's not about "choice" - as I pointed out the poor have no choice.

The Chlorinated Chicken thing is just the poster-boy for a myriad of issues.

But hey, you can take the boy out of Stoke...

It's not a race to the bottom though? As mentioned, it's a choice. Not bothered about Chlorinated chicken? Buy the U.S. stuff. If you are, buy the UK Organic stuff. I mean I know you bien pensant lot shudder at the idea of free will and choices but really, it isn't hard.

If there are enough people wanting "proper" chicken, the market will provide it. Tends to be how these things work.

Strange how there's all this uproar about washing chicken with Chlorine to kill bacteria like Salmonella, yet we add it to our drinking water for exactly the same reason.