Racism..

[Mey]

Do you think its possible for certain racial groups to attract racism upon themselves through there own actions?

Discuss.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Certain parts of certain groups can bring racism towards the whole group. Yup.

Take muslims for a prime example.

 

[Himse]

Im know probably everyone says "im not racist, but"

but yeah, i have certain opinions on the matter. I do agree to an extent, like when asian/black people hurl abuse at you in the street, its very tempting to wittle down to racist comments.

Also, WTF at this racial discrimination, or religious discrimination shit? WHAT BOLLOCKS.

Sorry, but everyone is sueing everyone for some form of racial/religious cause or something, its beyond a joke, and the government just take it up the arse for it.

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

i am not racist, i hate everyone equally.....

 

[Lamp]

People use race & religion and the boundaries of racism to suit their own agendas.

 

[Gorbachioo]

There are certain groups in my opinion which make no attempt to blend in to the society and dont even seem to want any sort of approval from the majority. Gypsies are a very good example.

So yes. There are ethnic groups whose members are more often not likeable than likeable.

Incase someone feels like calling me a racist for this then ask yourselves how many of the gypsies you've met in your life have been employed/decent people in general. Everytime i see them they are either trying to steal something from me or sell something they have stealed from someone else. This doesnt mean that i judge any of them before they actually do something bad.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Met actually plenty of gypsies who are nice enough folk, even better then your average gypsie hating "normal people".

Prime example just two days ago, one fella bumped into me while running for the subway, turned very politely and said "apologies" before moving on.

 

[Belgerath]

Met actually plenty of gypsies who are nice enough folk, even better then your average gypsie hating "normal people".

Prime example just two days ago, one fella bumped into me while running for the subway, turned very politely and said "apologies" before moving on.

How much money did he steal?

 

[Gorbachioo]

How much money did he steal?

Tohtori: As i pointed out there im not talking about ALL gypsies. Im talking about what they are on average as a group. Their employment percentage in Finland is 50%. Some of that is because of racism, but most definately not all of it. I once read from a newspaper that many gypsies think that forcing them to work would offend their culture..

Now get off your high horse and admit you agree with me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not on any high horse, just ever met any rude/stealing gypsies even if those are around obviously.

You said "There are certain groups in my opinion which make no attempt to blend in to the society and dont even seem to want any sort of approval from the majority. Gypsies are a very good example."

And then say that 50% of them DO work. That's not a good example, well, it is if you take my previous comment into play.

Some parts of a group 'cause the whole group to be targeted.

And yes ofcourse i agree tat some gypsies aren't trying to evn blend in our culture, but they are hardly harming our culture either.(any more then scum "normal" folk)

 

[Gorbachioo]

Not on any high horse, just ever met any rude/stealing gypsies even if those are around obviously.

You said "There are certain groups in my opinion which make no attempt to blend in to the society and dont even seem to want any sort of approval from the majority. Gypsies are a very good example."

And then say that 50% of them DO work. That's not a good example, well, it is if you take my previous comment into play.

Some parts of a group 'cause the whole group to be targeted.

And yes ofcourse i agree tat some gypsies aren't trying to evn blend in our culture, but they are hardly harming our culture either.(any more then scum "normal" folk)

But in this case its the majority of the group (having a job isnt the only thing). And to me that means that i can blame them as a group. I wont blame them as individuals (for something that others have done) but as a group. Whether this is justified or not is a matter of opinion so im not going to talk about it as there is no right answer.

Just so you understand: I would never judge a gypsy just because he is one. I just think that as a group (as in the average of all gypsies) they are not that great.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah i get that, hensh my original point about individuals making the whole group look bad.

 

[Ezteq]

tbh i don't feel that any group has to blend in with the majority, i kind of prefer it when they dont and when they keep their individualality but its when you get the ones who screw up everyone else, ignore laws and generally make other peoples lives a misery, this has nothing to do with race or religion there are plenty of diverse races and religions who co-exist while retaining their own identity. I don't know why certain people feel they have the right to behave so badly, maybe they do it to prove a point or maybe they just don;t care but i strongly believe that these social elements are the really dangerous ones because they have little or no empathy or sympathy towards anyone else and their behaviour leads people to cast all people who are different in the same pot.

as you know i am a devout atheist but i do believe in the do un to others as you'd like them to do un to you bit...i mean in a book that long there just had to be something i would agree with tbh.

 

[soze]

You look at certain areas of London now and racial segregation has gone mad i think its kind of hard not to feel any prejudice when a whole area is in effect devoted mainly to one racial group. Im all for diversity but i do think more effort needs to be made to integrate with our way of life rather than creating little Poland ect.

 

[Gorbachioo]

.Im all for diversity.

Why is that btw? Im just curious.

 

[soze]

Why is that btw? Im just curious.

the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness

How i meant it people having their own belief and wanting to live in a certain way ect.

 

[Gorbachioo]

the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness

How i meant it people having their own belief and wanting to live in a certain way ect.

In a way i agree with you. I do like to see different kinds of people in the streets (Also because i have a thai fetish but more on that later) but is it really worth all the problems it creates? Criminality and other social issues + in many cases it costs more than what it creates.

 

[old.Tohtori]

In a way i agree with you. I do like to see different kinds of people in the streets (Also because i have a thai fetish but more on that later) but is it really worth all the problems it creates? Criminality and other social issues + in many cases it costs more than what it creates.

Different cultures/ways don't create problems, lawbreakers/slackers 'cause problems.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Different cultures/ways don't create problems, lawbreakers/slackers 'cause problems.

2 or more cultures in the same place create lawbreakers. Proven fact. Just ask anyone who lives in Europe.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Still not the cultures fault, i's the morons who decide breaking the law is a way to go.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Still not the cultures fault, i's the morons who decide breaking the law is a way to go.

Sometimes it is the cultures fault. For example when it comes to sex offences Arab culture plays an important role. Those men come from cultures where women are property so raping them isnt that big a deal as it is for western men.

However, not always. The exact same problems that were seeing now with muslims in europe were there when finns moved to sweden for work.

 

[Chronictank]

Sometimes it is the cultures fault. For example when it comes to sex offences Arab culture plays an important role. Those men come from cultures where women are property so raping them isnt that big a deal as it is for western men.

You mean some (very small number) of African cultures, not that its of much relevance i doubt any but a small minority do it in other nations as it is against the law of the land

However, not always. The exact same problems that were seeing now with muslims in europe were there when finns moved to sweden for work.

Modern Muslims (in any considerable number) have been in Europe since the 60's when the European economy was in ruins and needed labour, they were asked to come over while there were issues i dont think they broke any laws on the whole.
Would be productive if you were more specific about what problems you are refering to (splitting hairs but technically Muslims aren't a race if you want to disregard their teachings, however if you want to validify what is written in the qu'ran everyone is born a muslim hence why it is often linked)

 

[Lamp]

You look at certain areas of London now and racial segregation has gone mad i think its kind of hard not to feel any prejudice when a whole area is in effect devoted mainly to one racial group. Im all for diversity but i do think more effort needs to be made to integrate with our way of life rather than creating little Poland ect.

The thing is, people flock together for community. A lot of people do want to be with others of the same faith / culture / religion.

Take London

Stamford Hill / Clapton Common - large orthodox Jewish population
Whitechapel / East end - large Muslim community
Brick Lane - large Bangladeshi community
Green Lanes / Stoke Newington - large Turkish community
Brixton (Coldharbour Lane area) - large Afro-Caribbean community
Chelsea / Kensington - middle/upper class very wealthy professional types - all white

I don't have any issues with large communities of the same faith culture. I don't care if they integrate or not. As long as they're here legally, they're law abiding and pay their taxes, good luck to em.

 

[Ezteq]

i always wondered about that tbh, sorry slight veer off topic but hay what are we here for!

when you see muslims and you see black ones and arabic ones and then you got the oriental and the white ones and it just kind of puzzled me how someone says "your racist against muslims" because i always thought a race was a bunch of folk all from the same place...mind you these days you could very well get black, arabic, oriental and white people all being from the very same town so does that mean that while muslims were not actually a race the current thingy of everyone all living together could actually make them a race or does a race mean someone who originates (like has ancestors etc) all from the same area?

its like gypsies being called a race and tbh the only gypsies we see down here are irish and then you get the european ones and all sorts, same as above really i guess.

if you look hard enough im sure i made an observation its just a bit convoluted because i am puzzled by the true meaning of a word that people seem to throw about like a pair of draws at a tom jones concert and yet they seem not to understand the actual meaning of the word.

 

[Chronictank]

@ez as i said above
If you want to go by what Muslims believe they are a race because they are born that way
If you want to go by the biological definition of race, it is defined by genetic characteristics

 

[Huntingtons]

yes, i believe they do, as do whites. Their actions are unjust to a certain group of people and rumours spread (good or bad). 1 feather does become a chicken in that sense. Its very easy to generalize (like Gorb did with the arabs, just an example). Everybody are quick to be judgemental. and that creates racism.

 

[soze]

The thing is, people flock together for community. A lot of people do want to be with others of the same faith / culture / religion.

Take London

Stamford Hill / Clapton Common - large orthodox Jewish population
Whitechapel / East end - large Muslim community
Brick Lane - large Bangladeshi community
Green Lanes / Stoke Newington - large Turkish community
Brixton (Coldharbour Lane area) - large Afro-Caribbean community
Chelsea / Kensington - middle/upper class very wealthy professional types - all white

I don't have any issues with large communities of the same faith culture. I don't care if they integrate or not. As long as they're here legally, they're law abiding and pay their taxes, good luck to em.

I see what your saying its just i think alot of this segragation can cause ill feelings with other groups \ people getting pushed out of an area. I just think the issue of race would not be such a big issue if they did not force them selves into a racial area.

 

[Lamp]

I don't think they're necessarily forcing themselves into racial areas. You get multiple generations of families living in the same household. A lot of run down areas are the only places some people can afford to buy. Then you've got the whole selective council housing thing. A lot of people WANT to be in a particular area, whether or not you see it as a ghetto.

I kind of take your point though.

 

[Gorbachioo]

yes, i believe they do, as do whites. Their actions are unjust to a certain group of people and rumours spread (good or bad). 1 feather does become a chicken in that sense. Its very easy to generalize (like Gorb did with the arabs, just an example). Everybody are quick to be judgemental. and that creates racism.

I did not generalize. I wasnt talking about what some Arabs do, i talked about what their culture teaches them. Which is that women are second class citizens.

 

[Mey]

I guess what I am seeing as racism isn't in your face racism its more the quiet behind close doors kind of thing. I live with alot of asians at the minute and they seem to be awfully secular in that no matter how much effort you make they just don't want to know, they speak to their own kind and virtually ignore you. They speak in their own language when you are walking pass or around which i personally find a.) rude b.) intimidating.

The few white people that do live in the block seem to have had very similar experinces.

I would never dream of treating people differently but it certainly got me thinking that certain actions could make average Joe start to have racist thoughts (which i guess is awhole other argument - born or made racist?!)

Hope that made sense?