Question about Rain of Fire Rain of Ice etc

Garok

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Jan 23, 2004
Messages
777
Im saveing up for PF @ the moment so got a few spare points to spend before i respec into PF. Just got a few questions about the Rain abilities (fire,ice,annilation) 15 min timer. I know they are effected by resists etc but just wondered.

1) How long the duration is ..
2) If they stack .. can u use fire ice etc @ the same time.

Just want a few more icons to crowd up me quickbar ..

Ta in advance..
 

Sycho

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
2,255
Fadeh said it's quite nice but they seem a bit costly, you really need rr10 to be the perfect merc with all balanced and active ra's :(

Determination 5
PF
Purge
Mastery Of Pain 3
Dualist Reflexes 3
FA 2
IP
Aug dex 2

Those are the main ones you want trust me :) (yeah i know i haven't got IP but shhh :p )

Other good ones are perhaps aug str 2 if you are slash/crush specced, gives 48 ws which can help i guess, master of parry 2 for solo/pve, dodger 2 for solo/pve and aug con 1 toughness 1 can't hurt for the costs either.In the end Pain 3, dr 3, dodger 2, parry 1/2 could be a real nice merc with IP if possible(probably need rr10+)

It's on 15min timer and 1min by the way the ra you mentioned.
 

Whisperess

Part of the furniture
Joined
Dec 24, 2003
Messages
1,234
Garok said:
Im saveing up for PF @ the moment so got a few spare points to spend before i respec into PF. Just got a few questions about the Rain abilities (fire,ice,annilation) 15 min timer. I know they are effected by resists etc but just wondered.

1) How long the duration is ..
2) If they stack .. can u use fire ice etc @ the same time.

Just want a few more icons to crowd up me quickbar ..

Ta in advance..
1) 1 min
2) no, but seperate timers iirc ( not completely sure about the timer part )
 

Ariacs

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Dec 26, 2003
Messages
166
Ive been looking in to it as I thought Rain of Ice and an Ice based weapon that can debuff its self and the damage add would be good. Its 15min timer, lasts 1 min and adds 10% per lvl of your base damage as a damage add. Not sure of its worth it. Maybe at higher RR like Matt said.

Edit: It stacks with theurg DA but the Rain of xxxxx dont stack with each other.
 

Garok

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Jan 23, 2004
Messages
777
Thanks for ure input guys...

I was never to keen on dualist reflexes tbh .. 10 Points is alot for an extra 9% chance of unstyled damage .. Its been in Merc RP templates since the start as a way of increaseing damage output (rain ability was bugged broken for a while i belive).. but for 9 Points a 20% increase of damage (-resists) for 1 minute @ the press of a button seems pretty tempting.

Unbuffed i land DS on RR5 merc for around 210 damage mainhand and 75 offhand

So with a 20% bonus thats and extra 42 damage on main hand and 15 offhand so 57 total..

The - resists of 26% say and that cancels out offhand dam add..

But the harder u hit the more damage u gonna get back ..

Fully buffed @ RR9 Sycho u gonna hit alot harder than me what do u recon the bonus damage would be for u ?
 

Sycho

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
2,255
Well i got:

Aug str 2
Aug dex 2
Determination 5
PF
Purge
Mastery Of Pain 4
Dualist Reflexes 3
Master Of Parrying 2

Dualist reflexes give 9% more unstyled damage BUT! also 9% more faster hits due to dual swinging more and pf has more chance to procc, lv2 is enough maybe but i prefer to have 3.

Maybe not everyone's cup of tea but they suit me fine, might try that ra though..

http://pub79.ezboard.com/flighttanksofdaocfrm2.showMessage?topicID=431.topic

Also garok, you saracen thrust if i remember, go for 3.9+2.4 new weaps you will hit very good damage with that ra.
 

Ilum

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Jan 21, 2004
Messages
1,774
Garok said:
Fully buffed @ RR9 Sycho u gonna hit alot harder than me what do u recon the bonus damage would be for u ?
Damage difference between low and high realm rank isnt enormous. I'd take a stab at around 15% difference between a RR3 Mercenary and a RR10 Mercenary using standard RA templates. And maybe 10% between RR5 and RR10.

Every level of MoPain adds 1.25% damage overall.
Hard for me to calculate Dualist Reflexes, but poeple seem to rate it around the same level as MoPain when selecting RA's...
Augstr adds some damage, so does every time you increase realm rank and get one more +. But I don't have the numbers to calculate that efficiently.

Easiest way would be to access some exact numbers seeing how weaponskill affects damage.

+ to Dual Wield can be calulated same way as DR...
 

Path

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Jan 21, 2004
Messages
271
You want DR for the haste, fck the damage imo :p
 

Garok

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Jan 23, 2004
Messages
777
Old.Ilum said:
Damage difference between low and high realm rank isnt enormous. I'd take a stab at around 15% difference between a RR3 Mercenary and a RR10 Mercenary using standard RA templates. And maybe 10% between RR5 and RR10.

Every level of MoPain adds 1.25% damage overall.
Hard for me to calculate Dualist Reflexes, but poeple seem to rate it around the same level as MoPain when selecting RA's...
Augstr adds some damage, so does every time you increase realm rank and get one more +. But I don't have the numbers to calculate that efficiently.

Easiest way would be to access some exact numbers seeing how weaponskill affects damage.

+ to Dual Wield can be calulated same way as DR...

Agreed Ilum but the 210 damage is from me unbuffed with capped trust and 210 base dex .. With a Rain abilty @ lv 2 i would get roughly extra 42 damage
per hit .. not sure if u get a bonus on Crit hits which is were the MOPain damage comes in (would need testing). I was wondering what kind of damage Sycho would do with all Possble bonuses to WS Via TOP Lv Buffs and bonuses to weapon type . My guess would be around the 330-350 mark.
(correct me if im wrong :) )

So 20% of 340 say is extra damage of .. 68 per swing ..
Seems a nice increase tbh ..

If 3 mercs hitting around around the 300 mark all Pop ROA and are swinging close to cap speed of 1.5 thats an extra 816 hits every 6 secs..

Im no RvR expert but i guess it a numbers battles the quicker u can take down you opponents the more of an advantage uve got ..

PS Im no maths expert so shout if the figgers Look dodgy ;)
 

Fadeh

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Jan 14, 2004
Messages
737
Rain ra's dont add 10%,20%,30%. Maybe more like 5%,10%,15%. At level 2 it might add 20-30dmg. That is if i hit with both weapons. Its ok, but no uber ra. And i wouldnt think about getting it before rr10, way to costly then imo. I have now also respecced it away.
 

Escape

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Dec 26, 2003
Messages
1,643
Why don't mercs rate Mastery of Arms?

The cost is high for something like MoA3, but with haste buffs and the duel-weild effect you'll be hitting pretty fast... Depending on if MoA is working now and if all of those effects stack.
 

Danhyr

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Jan 5, 2004
Messages
132
sycho your jsut mad anyway

master of pain for teh win

crush for teh win

sod the rest

IP is worthless imo... if you have a good cleric and you can keep him/her alive you have IP many times over..

Dan
 

Whisperess

Part of the furniture
Joined
Dec 24, 2003
Messages
1,234
Fadeh said:
Rain ra's dont add 10%,20%,30%. Maybe more like 5%,10%,15%. At level 2 it might add 20-30dmg. That is if i hit with both weapons. Its ok, but no uber ra. And i wouldnt think about getting it before rr10, way to costly then imo. I have now also respecced it away.
Sometimes even worse :/

Here's a chatlog from a test-duel with my SB vs. my Shaman over at Exc. Added some comments at various places. ( shaman have 22% slash [ shield is on healer :( ] and 18% spirit resists ). ( edit: She is also nude, to get rid of absorbtion so it doesn't affect damage add )

*** Chat Log Opened: Sun Feb 08 12:13:02 2004

// This is without RoA
[12:13:11] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:13:11] You are hit for 305 damage.
[12:13:11] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:13:11] You are hit for 80 damage.
[12:13:11] Your movement is slowed!
[12:13:13] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:13:13] You are hit for 301 damage.
[12:13:13] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:13:13] You are hit for 87 damage.
[12:13:13] You cannot move!
[12:13:20] You target [Shamae]
[12:13:20] You examine Shamae. She is a member of the Shaman class in your realm.
[12:13:21] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:13:24] You cast a Emendation Spell!
[12:13:24] You heal yourself for 212 hit points.
[12:13:24] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:13:26] You cast a Emendation Spell!
[12:13:26] You heal yourself for 221 hit points.
[12:13:27] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:13:30] You cast a Emendation Spell!
[12:13:30] You heal yourself for 286 hit points.
[12:13:40] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:13:40] Your Glacier Jewel is in dire need of repairs. ( <-- ffs Goa, it was 100% pre-patch! )

// With RoA
[12:14:17] Aegi casts a spell! ( <-- Rain of Annihilation, level 1 )
[12:14:19] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:19] You are hit for 267 damage.
[12:14:19] Aegi does 11 extra damage to you! ( <-- 4.12% bonus )
[12:14:19] You are hit for 11 damage.
[12:14:19] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:19] You are hit for 88 damage.
[12:14:19] Aegi does 4 extra damage to you! ( <-- 4.5% bonus )
[12:14:19] You are hit for 4 damage.
[12:14:19] Your movement is slowed!
[12:14:21] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:21] You are hit for 351 damage.
[12:14:21] Aegi does 11 extra damage to you!
[12:14:21] You are hit for 11 damage.
[12:14:21] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:21] You are hit for 90 damage.
[12:14:21] Aegi does 5 extra damage to you!
[12:14:21] You are hit for 5 damage.
[12:14:21] You cannot move!
[12:14:23] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:23] You are hit for 305 damage.
[12:14:23] Aegi does 7 extra damage to you!
[12:14:23] You are hit for 7 damage.
[12:14:23] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:23] You are hit for 75 damage.
[12:14:23] Aegi does 7 extra damage to you!
[12:14:23] You are hit for 7 damage.
[12:14:23] Your movement is slowed!
[12:14:26] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:14:27] Aegi is attacking you and your spell is interrupted!
[12:14:28] You must wait 1 seconds to cast a spell!
[12:14:29] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:14:29] You are already casting a spell! You prepare this spell as a follow up!
[12:14:31] You cast a Emendation Spell!
[12:14:31] You heal yourself for 277 hit points.
[12:14:32] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:14:34] You cast a Emendation Spell!
[12:14:34] You heal yourself for 270 hit points.
[12:14:34] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:14:36] You cast a Emendation Spell!
[12:14:36] You heal yourself for 219 hit points.
[12:14:36] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:14:39] You cast a Emendation Spell!
[12:14:39] You heal yourself for 221 hit points.
[12:14:41] You begin casting a Emendation spell!
[12:14:43] You cast a Emendation Spell!
[12:14:43] You heal yourself for 182 hit points.
[12:14:43] You are fully healed.
[12:14:50] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:50] You are hit for 253 damage.
[12:14:50] Aegi does 10 extra damage to you!
[12:14:50] You are hit for 10 damage.
[12:14:50] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:50] You are hit for 65 damage.
[12:14:50] Aegi does 4 extra damage to you!
[12:14:50] You are hit for 4 damage.
[12:14:52] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:52] You are hit for 448 damage.
[12:14:52] Aegi does 9 extra damage to you! ( <-- 2% extra damage, with nasty crit on hit )
[12:14:52] You are hit for 9 damage.
[12:14:52] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:52] You are hit for 79 damage.
[12:14:52] Aegi does 4 extra damage to you!
[12:14:52] You are hit for 4 damage.
[12:14:58] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:58] You are hit for 422 damage.
[12:14:58] Aegi does 7 extra damage to you!
[12:14:58] You are hit for 7 damage.
[12:14:58] Aegi attacks you with her axe!
[12:14:58] You are hit for 68 damage.
[12:14:58] Aegi does 6 extra damage to you!
[12:14:58] You are hit for 6 damage.

*** Chat Log Closed: Sun Feb 08 12:15:00 2004

During less than a minute, the added damage was in total: 85 dmg, although I didn't log during the full 1 minute, and I did let her heal up when needed.
Worth 3 RSP? Up to you to decide. Wouldn't recommend it for a Merc, but that's just my opinion :)
 

Garok

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Jan 23, 2004
Messages
777
Well it should give 10% per level so i guess its still broken ... bummer
Ta for the info though much appreciated
 

Sycho

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
2,255
Escape said:
Why don't mercs rate Mastery of Arms?

The cost is high for something like MoA3, but with haste buffs and the duel-weild effect you'll be hitting pretty fast... Depending on if MoA is working now and if all of those effects stack.
It lowers styled dmg cap :/ i respecced out of it too.

Just get 25% ToA haste if you can.
 

Zaffa

Loyal Freddie
Joined
Dec 23, 2003
Messages
296
i dont think its broken, but it dosnt add 10% of styled damage, only 10% of unstyled damage
 

remi

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Jan 14, 2004
Messages
1,427
Sycho said:
It lowers styled dmg cap :/ i respecced out of it too.

Just get 25% ToA haste if you can.

what happen tooo "omg MoA = mercs got savage haste!!111" ? :p
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top Bottom