Question about piracy in the UK

[BloodOmen]

Since BT and Talktalk lost their court battle when will this actually go into effect? because i'm sure with new laws like this they have to give some sort of period for people to wrap their heads around whats going to happen.. a friend told me it'd be atleast 1-2 years before it actually goes into full effect can anyone confirm that or know the date it goes into effect?

 

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whats going to happen?;p

 

[Zenith.UK]

whats going to happen?;p

The big ISPs are going to have to instigate 2 parts of the Digital Economy Act (DEA).
1) URL blocklist of sites that media companies don't want people in the UK to access.
2) ISPs sending warnings out to their customers that media companies have identified (via IP address) of infringing copyrights.

Let's not go into how the court system has been abused by media companies pursuing those claimed to be infringing copyright. For example ACS:Law is still being investigated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority.

 

[Helme]

Wonder how long it takes companies to use this as a precedent to expand the block list to other sites, because now that they've gotten their foot in the door there's pretty much no way of stopping them. Here in Sweden for example, we have a group representing the interests of Sony etc. that is allowed to add a specific 'tax' if you will to all empty DVD's sold, all HDD's, and they are lobbying to be able to do the same for all phones/mp3 players - because they can be used for piracy.

 

[BloodOmen]

I want to know when it goes live, I admit I download mp3's among other things which obv is deemed illegal thus a date would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Uara]

I would have thought it would come into effect from the date of the judgment....BUT if they are appealing then it will wait until all appeals have been completed.

 

[BloodOmen]

Hmm fair enough then! i'd imagine they will appeal it because I know its something BT and Talktalk didnt expect to lose in a million years so i'd imagine they wont go silently.

 

[Sparx]

ISPs have always said they dont want to police the internet merely provide, their arguement being that BT don't police peoples phone calls, so i doubt this case has ended

 

[Tuthmes]

Wonder how long it takes companies to use this as a precedent to expand the block list to other sites, because now that they've gotten their foot in the door there's pretty much no way of stopping them. Here in Sweden for example, we have a group representing the interests of Sony etc. that is allowed to add a specific 'tax' if you will to all empty DVD's sold, all HDD's, and they are lobbying to be able to do the same for all phones/mp3 players - because they can be used for piracy.

We have hade that tax for years in Holland.

 

[Access Denied]

Not going to stop really determined people though is it. If someone wants something bad enough they'll find a way to get it and blocking URL's isn't going to stop me because I'll just use a proxy to access any site that's blocked.

 

[Lamp]

Surely there are ways round it. Peerblock type programs & using proxies? And if people are that bothered, they'll just use ISP's that don't block the sites. And there's always new programs coming out designed to get around copyright & hide ISPs....

 

[BloodOmen]

private news groups will become alot more popular thats for sure.

 

[Raven]

Surely there are ways round it. Peerblock type programs & using proxies? And if people are that bothered, they'll just use ISP's that don't block the sites. And there's always new programs coming out designed to get around copyright & hide ISPs....

Exactly. Instead of moving with the times and providing the customer with what they want they are wasting money trying to stop something that they can't. The whole industry is still stuck in the 80s/90s.

 

[liloe]

Exactly. Instead of moving with the times and providing the customer with what they want they are wasting money trying to stop something that they can't. The whole industry is still stuck in the 80s/90s.

I can't agree more.

All I can say is: Tor Project

Even the most simple form of data encryption (hello SSL) will block any attempt to check your traffic on the fly; any tunnelling will hide where you come from etc.

All it does is stir the hate against the music and film industry and - as Raven already said - waste a lot of money. It really bothers me how many governments in Europe agree to put their population under general suspicion. Everyone is evil, until proven otherwise … and then there's stupid me thinking that an important base of our judicial system is "innocent until proven otherwise".

 

[BloodOmen]

Hmm thanks for that Liloe, going to give that a try

One thing that concerns me about this whole fiasco is that they claim you'll only get warnings if media companies send infringement notices so I assume that means aslong as you're not caught getting music or what not there is fuck all they can do pretty much?

 

[Lamp]

Hmm thanks for that Liloe, going to give that a try

It comes with warnings

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[BloodOmen]

Aye just had a read of them, bit iffy :/ some of them I do not like (like the youtube one as i'm a frequent user of it) that said i'm sure some egg head in the UK will make a similar program soon enough because this new law will fuck over alot of the internet userbase in the UK (rough guess atleast 90-95% of people online in the UK... it'll effect them if its something as small as an mp3 it'll still have the potential to effect them)

in short there will be ALOT of people making ways around this, as raven said earlier it just can't be stopped period, waste of time + money.

 

[Access Denied]

Hmm, was thinking about Freenet. Anyone used this?

 

[BloodOmen]

Hmm, was thinking about Freenet. Anyone used this?

looked into it once but never actually went ahead with it so not sure, heard it wasnt that bad tho.