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Right,i'm looking at a new system but i'm a bit unsure about PSU choice.
would 600w be enough for....

Quad Q6600 overclocked to 3.2ghz
geforce 8800gtx 768mb
4GB ram

i should imagine the quad cpu will eat the power but would 600w be enough?
 

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Right,i'm looking at a new system but i'm a bit unsure about PSU choice.
would 600w be enough for....

Quad Q6600 overclocked to 3.2ghz
geforce 8800gtx 768mb
4GB ram

i should imagine the quad cpu will eat the power but would 600w be enough?

Easily, I am running that spec on an OCZ 520w with 4 hard drives and 2 DVD drives. Just make sure you buy a decent brand and not some cheapo crap with wobbly rails. The quad consumes 115w or close to that under full load but it won't often be running at 100% on all 4 cores. Going 600w PSU is playing it safe, it gives you room to spare.
 

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Certainly will be fine. The quad core will munch a mere 90w assuming you're going for the G0 stepping version. Which is less than most other processors on the market.

If you're shopping though, why the GTX? Save your money.

And of course make sure it's a decent 600w - Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, Akasa, Enermax are the better choices. Coolermaster or OCZ not too bad either.
 

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Certainly will be fine. The quad core will munch a mere 90w assuming you're going for the G0 stepping version. Which is less than most other processors on the market.

If you're shopping though, why the GTX? Save your money.

And of course make sure it's a decent 600w - Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, Akasa, Enermax are the better choices. Coolermaster or OCZ not too bad either.

well i was under the imprssion a 768mb GTX is higher performance than either 512mb GT or GTS which are the other options....getting the system from overclockers
 

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Yeah it's better but only if you're gaming on a stupidly large screen/very decent screen with very decent resolution.

Believe it or not, the GT is quicker than the Ultra/GTX in everything up to 1280x1024.
 

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Yeah it's better but only if you're gaming on a stupidly large screen/very decent screen with very decent resolution.

Believe it or not, the GT is quicker than the Ultra/GTX in everything up to 1280x1024.

I see....what about the extra 256mb? would that make much difference...i'm taking the future into account...hence the quad core.
 

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Save money, get a 8800GT now, then sell it and upgrade when the 9800's come out in a few months.
 

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Corsair PSU's are superb. They are also modular, which means that you choose the number of power cables you need.

They also sport a FIVE year warranty !.

I myself run the 520 HW model, which obviously is 520W. <3 the silence of it too.
There also is the 620 HW if you need even more juice.

High grade PSUs tend to cost a bit more, but when you think about it, it's basically the heart of the PC.

It's worth it.
 

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k..think i'll go for the 512mb GT then....prob get a better sound card instead.
ok this is what i'm thinking...
Quad Q6600 clocked @ 3.40GHZ
512MB 8800GT
4GB G.skill PQ RAM @ 1000mhz
Western Digital Raptor X 150GB @ 10,000rpm 16MB cache sata2 primary HD
Seagate Baracuda 7200.11 500GB 32MB Cache @ 7,200rpm storage HD
Samsung 20x DVD RW Dual Layer Rewriter
Creative Soundblaster X-Fi ExtemeGamer Fatal1ty pro series 7.1 sound card
OCZ Stealth 600w PSU

what ya think? good? PSU up to the job? anything i should avoid?
 

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and yes its pricey at £1346 but i don't know what i'm doin when it comes to building and overclocking a system and i don't know anyone to do it for me so...
 

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PSU should be fine.

Skip the raptor and get a Hitachi 1Tb drive, they actually are better performing (mostly due to the cache) and have loads of space.

There's other things you could do to get a system that performs at 95% of the performance for 2/3'rds of the cost, like:

- Just get a bog standard PCI-Express X-Fi, they are £30 and nothing uses the memory these days (lack of hardware acceleration support in DirectX going forward)
- Just get some CAS4 800MHz RAM (you can generally run the memory asynchronous from the RAM so overclocking isn't a problem)

What motherboard are you getting?
 

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well it's a case of what's available mate...i think i've made a decent choice from what they offer...
heres a link
System Configuration - Overclockers UK

with the HD's i was thinkin a fast one for the primary (OS an a few games an shit on it) then the storage for music,pics,vids etc etc
was thinking with the money i saved on the gfx card i could get a better sound card with....
 

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Thought about just building it yourself from components? It's pretty much like lego these days!

I'd recommend an ASUS motherboard for the handy q-connect feature.
 

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A few mins on Scan (today only is always good):

Intel Core 2 Quad-Core Q6600 G0 £162.14
512MB Asus 8800GT PCI-E 2.0 (x16), 1800 MHz, GDDR3, GPU 600 MHz, 2 x Dual Link DVI-I, Fan £160.98
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64Bit 1Pk OEM (DVD) + Ahead Nero 8 Suite - CD/DVD/Bluray Media £61.69
Samsung SH-S203N/RSMN 20xDVD±R, 12xDVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RWx6, SATA,Lightscribe, Black, Retail inc Nero £20.86
Asus P5N32-E SLI PLUS NF650i SLi (C55), S 775, PCI-E(x16), DDR2 533/667/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX £105.74
1000 GB (1Tb) Hitachi 0A35155 Deskstar T7K500, SATA II, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache, 8.5ms, NCQ £181.53
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme 7.1 Audio PCI-E Soundcard OEM (30SB082000000) £25.79
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-18 £67.73
Antec P182 Advanced PERFORMANCE ONE SERIES Super Midi Tower Case, Gun Metal Black (no PSU) £87.53
600w Seasonic M12-600 SLi Modular PSU 2xPCI-E 4xSATA 120mm Fan ATX1.3/2.01 £88.00
Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B Fanless HeatPipe Cooler S775/S478/S754/S939/940 c/w 120mm Quiet Fan £28.78

£1006.43 inc VAT & delivery
 

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A few mins on Scan (today only is always good):

Intel Core 2 Quad-Core Q6600 G0 £162.14
512MB Asus 8800GT PCI-E 2.0 (x16), 1800 MHz, GDDR3, GPU 600 MHz, 2 x Dual Link DVI-I, Fan £160.98
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64Bit 1Pk OEM (DVD) + Ahead Nero 8 Suite - CD/DVD/Bluray Media £61.69
Samsung SH-S203N/RSMN 20xDVD±R, 12xDVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RWx6, SATA,Lightscribe, Black, Retail inc Nero £20.86
Asus P5N32-E SLI PLUS NF650i SLi (C55), S 775, PCI-E(x16), DDR2 533/667/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX £105.74
1000 GB (1Tb) Hitachi 0A35155 Deskstar T7K500, SATA II, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache, 8.5ms, NCQ £181.53
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme 7.1 Audio PCI-E Soundcard OEM (30SB082000000) £25.79
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-18 £67.73
Antec P182 Advanced PERFORMANCE ONE SERIES Super Midi Tower Case, Gun Metal Black (no PSU) £87.53
600w Seasonic M12-600 SLi Modular PSU 2xPCI-E 4xSATA 120mm Fan ATX1.3/2.01 £88.00
Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B Fanless HeatPipe Cooler S775/S478/S754/S939/940 c/w 120mm Quiet Fan £28.78

£1006.43 inc VAT & delivery

like i said i aint comfortable with building and overclocking myself....i'd end up fucking it up haha
 

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And TBH i aint going anywhere near vista yet due to the compatability bs with it....sticking with XP for a good year or so yet....and yes i realise only 3.2-3.5gb ram will be utilised with xp but i'd rather trade that lil bit of ram for the lack of compatability issues...it's not like that much ram is to be sniffed at anyway
 

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Skip the sound card altogether IMO.
The PCI Express X-Fi is actually a PCI Express Audigy SE - it has none of the hardware acceleration or anything that would make any difference, quality wise, your onboard will be better.

If you're avoiding Vista then the normal X-Fi's will be fine (avoiding the Xtreme Audio, same card as the PCIE version above).

The raptor's are stunning drives, but if you'd notice any real difference I don't know - the new 32mb cache drives from Samsung and Seagate are also very quick for a lot less money. I will however admit that if you're doing anything powerful application wise such as photoshop, video chopping etc, the extra speed a Raptor brings may well pay dividends.

Edit:

Just read last couple of posts : depends where in the world you are naturally, just been promoted (well not sure if that's the word - "thrown into the deep end with the entire engineering demands of our head office which used to comprise 4 people's full time jobs" is more accurate) so time is a tad tight - but if you're not too far than I'll certainly consider it :)

Of course failing that, there's bound to be someone locally you know who'll gladly chip in for the sake of a case of beer or something - and even failing that, we'll be happy to walk you through. The building is rarely difficult, but there's a few knacks that often make life easier and can extend the lifetime of the system.
 

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Skip the sound card altogether IMO.
The PCI Express X-Fi is actually a PCI Express Audigy SE - it has none of the hardware acceleration or anything that would make any difference, quality wise, your onboard will be better.

If you're avoiding Vista then the normal X-Fi's will be fine (avoiding the Xtreme Audio, same card as the PCIE version above).

The raptor's are stunning drives, but if you'd notice any real difference I don't know - the new 32mb cache drives from Samsung and Seagate are also very quick for a lot less money. I will however admit that if you're doing anything powerful application wise such as photoshop, video chopping etc, the extra speed a Raptor brings may well pay dividends.

Edit:

Just read last couple of posts : depends where in the world you are naturally, just been promoted (well not sure if that's the word - "thrown into the deep end with the entire engineering demands of our head office which used to comprise 4 people's full time jobs" is more accurate) so time is a tad tight - but if you're not too far than I'll certainly consider it :)

Of course failing that, there's bound to be someone locally you know who'll gladly chip in for the sake of a case of beer or something - and even failing that, we'll be happy to walk you through. The building is rarely difficult, but there's a few knacks that often make life easier and can extend the lifetime of the system.

well....granted putting it together aint rocket scince...but its the confoguration and overclocking thats the main issue.....an plus with not actually building a system before myself...i'm scared to start tryin it with £1000 worh of kit....which tbh i'm sure you can understand the concenrs?
i'd rather pay people that know what they doin an get a stable system as apposed to buy the parts an be brickin my pants while puttin it together never knowin if i'll get it right or not..

with the drives,kryten,i was thinking get a fast one as primary (for OS and a few other things i use a lot) an the slower higher capacity one as storage...i aint no tech expert but this seems logical to me....a OS comin off a faster drive is gonna make for a quicker system (along with ram processor an gfx....makes for a quick system) right? or have i got somethin wrong?

i atleast think i have an idea of what makes a system run pretty quick....but i know full well there is a hell of a lot i don't know..hence why i've posted here...for advice.....but the fact i could save myself about 300 building myself aside....is the system i'm lookin at pretty solid? thats the main thing i wanna know...i could prob save myself £30 on the sound card tho....but basically the main thing i'm asking is that lot of kit a good setup? reliable/powerfull etc?
 

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I have a similar specced system barring the 8800 gt got a gtx instead back in September it's very solid and will eat pretty much any game alive, barring ofc crysis.

As for the OS i've had no problems with vista infact it's more stable than xp..... 4 crashes in 5 months mainly due to dx10 games.
 

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like i said i aint comfortable with building and overclocking myself....i'd end up fucking it up haha

The Asus Mobo's all come with utilities to help you overclock easily, like 'extreme tweaker'. From experience you can generally OC to 30% without getting into too much bother. More than 30% you have may start to have issues but read around on the web for the mobo p/N and you should get plenty of tips. Usually just a case of upping some of the voltages to compensate. Run my watercooled AM2 Fx4600 at 40%. Just make sure you get decent make ram and that they are matched pairs. Balistic Stix or something similar are excellent.
 

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Many, many problems with Ballistix memory on Asus boards - not because any of it is bad (it's good stuff, believe me) but the motherboards are rather picky for unknown reasons.

Anyway, hard drives : There's not a great deal of difference in performance with the new drives and the Raptors - for a long long time the Raptors were the outright kings in performance and nothing got near it, and even now you pay a premium price for it - but the more "normal" drives such as the 7200.11 500gb Seagate drive with 32mb cache and the 1tb Hitachi are very, very close performance wise. Not actually there yet, but the price difference is enough to make many people think twice.
Of course what you're saying is right - the Raptor will indeed give your OS a fair boost, loading times et al - so if you've the money, it will no doubt be worth it.

Overclocking isn't particularly difficult - although even at stock you'll have great performance, you can get a decent overclock by changing 2 options in the bios - 1. to set the clock speeds to manual and 2. setting the FSB from 266mhz to 333mhz - leaving a system running at 3ghz (x4 obviously) without batting any more eyelids - no voltage buggery, no ram tweaking, just out of the box.
Asus also have an "OC Profile" in the bios - meaning you can save and restore your different overclocking profiles through that, which is very useful indeed.

I know what you mean about systems costing that much money - I feel the same way every time I start messing with the engine in my car :D

But yes all in all the system is quick and decent, I'll see if I can price up the same/similar for you and compare prices.
 

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Quad Q6600 £159.99
Scythe Mugen/Thermalright Ultra 120 Cooler £35
512MB 8800GT £160.00
4GB DDR2-1066 RAM £117.50
Asus P5N-T nForce 780i Motherboard £188
150gb Raptor HDD £132
Seagate 500gb 32mb HDD £72
20x DVDRW £20
OCZ Stealth 600w PSU £59
Antec P182 Case £88

Total cost : £1031.49

That's going very high end really, perhaps unnecessarily.
I'll tweak things a little now and comprimise price and performance without losing upgradability:

Quad Q6600 £159.99
Scythe Mugen/Thermalright Ultra 120 Cooler £35
512MB 8800GT £160.00
4GB DDR2-1000 RAM £117.50
Asus P5K-E Motherboard P35 chipset £80
2 x Seagate 500gb 32mb HDD £144 (maybe a RAID0 here? But keep backups!)
20x DVDRW £20
OCZ Stealth 600w PSU £59
Antec P182 Case £88

£863,49. Thats just changing the motherboard and the raptor. The motherboard won't be allowing you to install 2 or 3 nVidia graphics cards but it's a far more reliable and stable chipset which is well known for decent overclocking. You could also perhaps look at running Crossfire instead of SLI, but it's not something I'm a fan of, mainly because of the software involved and then the cost.

You can easily scale down from those prices to suit the budget - but it sounds to me like you just want something as good as you can get now without money being too much of an object.
Being the case. I would probably suggest forgetting the SLI idea and getting a more expensive Intel chipset motherboard (X48) for which you'll be paying about £180 again. Trouble with motherboards is a simple one - for SLI you MUST buy an nVidia motherboard, and then ideally a 780i chipset one. But for reliability and stability, the intel's are a far way ahead really.
 

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Is the Q6600 not boxed ? For example, the E6750 stock cooler keeps my PC cool enough.

Under heavy load: 40-45c.
Idle: 20-25c.

I would buy a case fan or two instead, which costs as much as cookie dough.

NM: didn't read that the PC was going to be over clocked. Though, how would the stock cooler manage the OC ? I've heard that the C2D's don't start sweating any more than normal when OC'd a wee bit.
 

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Tbh running the "out of the box" overclock (i.e. 3ghz) the stock cooler is indeed sufficient - that little bit more though and things will start to get sweaty - which is where the likes of the Thermalright Ultra 120 and Scythe Mugen come into their own.
 

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Hey Kryten,have been thinking about what ya said in regards of the sound card...i.e no need. Play a fair bit of the ole guitar and i've got Cubase LE (music editing type prog) and thinking of using the computer for such purposes,do you think onboard would be up to that sort of ABUSE? (yes it is abuse...it's metal were talking about here :p) I get the impression a sound card would be needed as i can't see another way of going guitar>effects unit>PC (don't think USB is an option with my effects unit) :S
and i'm thinking of havin the processor clocked @ 3.4GHZ...psu handle it ya think?
 

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On board sound chips are pants. I hate the stepdown from an old audigy 2 to an asus p5kr integrated chip. But what can you do, creative is a crappy company with no vista64 support, so all I got was echo echo with the card.

In other words, buy a proper card.
 

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Another thing. My old system has bit the dust (think the mobo has gone but due to some feedback it seems it could be the PSU) and despite the fact i'm getting a new monster i wanna have a go at getting the old one running again.
Due to lack of experience with it i'm looking at spending a rather small amount. I'm thinking about £50 on a new PSU...if that aint the prob nevermind i have a spare.....new processor for £20 (AMD Athlon 64 3700+ san diego socket 939)which just so happens to be a slight bit better than the current one (think it's the 3200+)...cheap as chips so what the hell haha. can pick up 2gb ram cheap....i'm just rather unsure about mobo (if that is whats gone). wanna try an keep the budget for this "project" within 100-120 £ if i can. I'm not looking at SLI or fuck all like that...just wanna get it goig again and keep it as a spare/sell it on...just wanna get my hands dirty so to speak.
gfx card is a xfx 7800GT...if thats buggered aswell i'll prob see if i can get me a 7950.
but with regards of mobo...can ya point me in the right direction? want somethin relatively reliable,cheap and compatable with what i'm wantin to use.
 

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Probably the single best investment i made in any PC component was my PSU which was a PC P&C. Cant recommend them highly enough.

Anyway the only retailer I know of in the UK selling PC Power & Cooling PSUs is overclockers.co.uk and they have a 470W (continuous) rated PSU (520W peak) going for around £53. It should be more than enough for most old systems.

Link for OCers PC P&C range:

Components » Power Supplies » PC Power & Cooling - Overclockers UK

And don't you all go and buy out all their 750W Quads, I'll probably need another one soon. :)
 

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