Prydwen : 20 % hibernia 40 % midgard 40 % alb

[cHodAX]

If I was starting the game again I would play Hib instead of Alb. Infact I WAS going to play Hib semi-permanently with my 2nd account but the lack of exp groups made me delete and choose Albion so I could powerlevel my alts rather than have wait weeks for a low level group in Hib. As a realm and it classes I am bored to death with Albion but it too easy for me to stay in here and not have to go through the exp grind again even though I would love the challenge of a new realm.

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by iziz
Is that not more a problem that people cba to defend keeps, rather than a population problem? ...unless there were only 14 hibs on at the time <shrugs>

Think the point is mid zergs emain with 5-6fgs in the afternoon, where hib has about 10 people in all doing RvR... Doesn't just exactly make it fun figthing when the enemy outnumbers you three to one. Even if they don't move together hit and run is impossible with 5-6fgs of the same realm, in one single zone.

 

[iziz]

Originally posted by Edlina
Think the point is mid zergs emain with 5-6fgs in the afternoon, where hib has about 10 people in all doing RvR... Doesn't just exactly make it fun figthing when the enemy outnumbers you three to one. Even if they don't move together hit and run is impossible with 5-6fgs of the same realm, in one single zone.

nooooo... the point is that at that particular time, only 2 fgs of hibs wanted to RvR, and 5 fgs of mids wanted to RvR. It's not like hibs couldn't have had 5 fgs to match the mids and defend their keep... they choose not to.

I don't get this whole zerg whining crap. It's called realm vs realm, not 1fg vs 1fg. There is masses of space out there in the frontiers, just ready for largish scale encounters (depending on lag). I don't get that people run out in a full group, and then expect to only meet another full group out in the frontier to fight. Sure it's more fun to have equal number encounters, but if that's the case shouldn't you be working as a realm to match their numbers and have a good battle? If someone wants to run around in a single group, that's their decision, but I laugh that they then expect maybe 4 random enemy groups to just sit in their pk or something, so that they can have equal sized battles.

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by eynar
Where do you get those up-to-date numbers Soulfly?

And _when_ did I say they were up-to-date? See, I did not.

/ponder

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by iziz

I don't get this whole zerg whining crap. It's called realm vs realm, not 1fg vs 1fg.

So the Realm with the lowest population loses everytime ?

Fundimentaly flawed game(The conceptis flawed in a major way)

 

[iziz]

Originally posted by old.Greggor
So the Realm with the lowest population loses everytime ?

Fundimentaly flawed game(The conceptis flawed in a major way)

Theoretically if everyone went to rvr at the same time, yes.
However, it would only take 1.85% of hibs' guilded active population to match those 5fgs of mids mentioned (based on those stats soulfly posted).

Therefore there is no basis to complain about large numbers of the enemy realm, when it's the hibs that won't bother to come out to rvr in this case. It's not as if hibs don't have the numbers. They clearly do as they'll have 100s out to defend a relic if needs be (before the relics were taken). If you think I'm wrong, next time hib gets DF, find out how many people took the keep to get DF, then do a /who "Darkness Falls" 30 mins after that keep was taken, and show me the results.

I play hib on excal and it's exactly the same there. People don't work as a realm for various reasons (l33t RP farmers, personality clashes etc etc), but it's a lot easier to blame the 5fg of albs for doing what they're supposed to be doing (it's meant to be a realm vs realm war for those who haven't read the manual ), instead of trying to work to fight back.

The same applies to any realm. Apart from the obscure hours of the morning, any realm has enough people to fight a 'zerg', so there's no point trying to blame that 'zerg' when the problem exists in your own realm, not the people you're fighting.

 

[Falcon]

nooooo... the point is that at that particular time, only 2 fgs of hibs wanted to RvR, and 5 fgs of mids wanted to RvR. It's not like hibs couldn't have had 5 fgs to match the mids and defend their keep... they choose not to.

You're totally missing the point, due to population imbalance Mids only need 50% of their lvl50s to RvR to get those 5fg up for example, but Hibernia, would have to motivate 90% (fictional figures, just explaining a point). Midgard can have that many RvRing AND have more crafting or whatever else, Hibernia would have to have it's whole realm RvRing, you don't seriously expect everyone that plays Hibernia to play the game to RvR 24/7 whilst people in Mid/Alb have the choice of RvR, PvE etc. just so that Hibernia stands and equal chance?

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok
I wish sotl could transfer chars to hib.

would pwn.

yeah!

SoTL come to Hib, that would be fun

Hell, I'll even level Usp to 50 and powerlevel y'all

Hib has no problems with RvR, until it comes to raids, where we are severely lacking.

The recent relic raid on Alb, Hib put up nearly 150 people, but when 250 Albs moved in to defend, and nearly 100 Mids for casual confusion, we were seriously outnumbered.

We got nearly 100 people into the biggest Galla raid I have done yet, which was more than enough for all the bosses except the end encounter.

Dragon raids we managed to get 150 there, but that number dropped to under 100 on the last one.

Yes, we need numbers, but we also need people who know how to play and are patient and have some semblence of manners.

One good, patient, sensible player is far better than 20 headless chickens.

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by iziz
nooooo... the point is that at that particular time, only 2 fgs of hibs wanted to RvR, and 5 fgs of mids wanted to RvR. It's not like hibs couldn't have had 5 fgs to match the mids and defend their keep... they choose not to.

BULLSEYE!

but gettin certain thickheaded hibs to actually understand that is an impossible task it seems

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Er looking at the Hibbies Zergs in Odins recently

I only have one thing to say to the hib whiners of population numbers..

STFU!!!!

just coz a realm has 35% of online population does not mean they are RvR capable or willing..

None of the realms are majorly over populus compaired to the others as far as RvR is concerned..all have days where one realm has more in a zone than the others .....
Live with it

but if you zerg somewhere the counter zerg will just keep getting bigger then Population numbers will come into it..

 

[old.tuppe]

yesterday ~1600 peeps online on prydwen, 400 nonanon in midgard.
did same time who emain, little over 30 peeps there, time around 1700cet.

midgard have maybe most 50´s when compare other realms, but same time need compare how many have alts allready in 50.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by old.tuppe
yesterday ~1600 peeps online on prydwen, 400 nonanon in midgard.
did same time who emain, little over 30 peeps there, time around 1700cet.

midgard have maybe most 50´s when compare other realms, but same time need compare how many have alts allready in 50.

OMG LOOK MIDGARD IS ONLY 25% of the server pop...

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Malena
I`m very dissapointed join prydwen (16pm 1400 playing), join hibernia, make /who all and see only 200 hibis playing, plz hibernia needs u ! join hibernia.

We have DF 1 day per month...., RvR if we are 2 or 3 fg can make nothing vs 6 or 7 fg of albs and midis, relics all from midgard and alb, guilts as nolby pride stop playing here.....plz stop join mid & alb... Would be very nice if eache realm was 33 % of server. and very very funny.

/who all in hib/excal will give you ~20% of the amount of players on the whole server. mostly numbers below 20%. but we still have all power relics

only real problem with not beeing close to even total numbers with the other realms are thgat they can always outzerg you. another nice reason not to zerg

oh, and just for the record, I would like to add that those power relics where taken when it still was 2000+ ppl on the server. for instance, the mid power relic was taken from mids at midnight on the easter holiday when there was 150 or so mids in Jamtland

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by iziz
Theoretically if everyone went to rvr at the same time, yes.
However, it would only take 1.85% of hibs' guilded active population to match those 5fgs of mids mentioned (based on those stats soulfly posted).

But if all realn had there 2% come out to rvr, we would still face a 2:1 odds. To get 5fg is the middle of the day impossible unless the groups dont want healer in them and no CC.

Originally posted by iziz

Therefore there is no basis to complain about large numbers of the enemy realm, when it's the hibs that won't bother to come out to rvr in this case. It's not as if hibs don't have the numbers. They clearly do as they'll have 100s out to defend a relic if needs be (before the relics were taken).

Still with our 100 people, we still lost the relics because we are always out numbered 2 or 3 to 1? After a while say a year it gets a bit boring always facing those odds

Originally posted by iziz
If you think I'm wrong, next time hib gets DF, find out how many people took the keep to get DF, then do a /who "Darkness Falls" 30 mins after that keep was taken, and show me the results.

Has always been the case on every realm on every sever. Does Hiberian prydwen Have to be the special case? If u think it is u are more fool you.

Originally posted by iziz
I play hib on excal and it's exactly the same there. People don't work as a realm for various reasons (l33t RP farmers, personality clashes etc etc), but it's a lot easier to blame the 5fg of albs for doing what they're supposed to be doing (it's meant to be a realm vs realm war for those who haven't read the manual ), instead of trying to work to fight back.

1. Go off and play on hib excal

2. RvR guild (l33t RP farmers) are acceptable the dont breed mistrust and they help realm unity

3. I am not blaming anyone Realm Vs Realm = Midgard Vs Albion (Hiberian is somewhere in that, cant place it)

Originally posted by iziz
The same applies to any realm. Apart from the obscure hours of the morning, any realm has enough people to fight a 'zerg', so there's no point trying to blame that 'zerg' when the problem exists in your own realm, not the people you're fighting.

Fuck off if Hiberian brings 5 fg to emain to emain to counter a 5 FG mid or alb zerg either we lose and try again but by this time the word has got out action in emain so alb/mids port in 5fg to make 10 fg intotal. By some Miracle we get 10 fg together we run to emain win/lose. Alb turn up with 15fg ? This has not happend yet cux we cant get 10 fg for rvr. The part upto the 10 fg of albs in emain has.

Most hib are too tried off being zerged from 1pm to 6pm by Mids and from 6pm to 3 am by albs.

Unless we become the perfect realm we are Srewed

 

[old.Greggor]

Re: Re: Prydwen : 20 % hibernia 40 % midgard 40 % alb

Originally posted by Gahldir
/who all in hib/excal will give you ~20% of the amount of players on the whole server. mostly numbers below 20%. but we still have all power relics

only real problem with not beeing close to even total numbers with the other realms are thgat they can always outzerg you. another nice reason not to zerg

oh, and just for the record, I would like to add that those power relics where taken when it still was 2000+ ppl on the server. for instance, the mid power relic was taken from mids at midnight on the easter holiday when there was 150 or so mids in Jamtland

On prydwen u wouldnt have the relics, mids(and albs) on excal must be very stupid or all the players on hib/excal are l33t

 

[Gahldir]

Re: Re: Re: Prydwen : 20 % hibernia 40 % midgard 40 % alb

Originally posted by old.Greggor
On prydwen u wouldnt have the relics, mids(and albs) on excal must be very stupid or all the players on hib/excal are l33t

doubt that tbh

 

[iziz]

I'm not saying that it's not more difficult to get those 5 fgs of hibs together for some RvR. What I am saying is that it's far from impossible. Like I said before, the problem exists because people choose not to RvR, not because there aren't enough people. If you can get 100+ people into DF inside 30 mins of it opening, or 100+ hibs out to defend a relic, there's no reason why you can't get 100+ hibs to emain. People just choose not to go.

There is no point whining (and this applies to any realm) that your 1fg got steam rolled by 3fgs of another enemy realm. Those 3fgs are meant to be there.

Nowadays you mostly hear whine if people meet more than 1 group anywhere. I don't know how many of you played beta, but during the last few days (on excal at least), there were massive battles between the 3 realms with at least 40 people on each side. They were fantastic and it showed what RvR should be. There's no reason why it couldn't be again.

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Those battles were fun because most everyone was grey or green to me - you felt like a God Back then buffs were unusual, CC extrememely rare and speed non-existant

 

[Danya]

Re: Re: Re: Prydwen : 20 % hibernia 40 % midgard 40 % alb

Originally posted by old.Greggor
On prydwen u wouldnt have the relics, mids(and albs) on excal must be very stupid or all the players on hib/excal are l33t

We're all l33t.

 

[old.Cher]

seems alot of people know what hib/prydwen is like without even playing there..... i'm impressed with you guys!

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by VidX

Yes, we need numbers, but we also need people who know how to play and are patient and have some semblence of manners.

Heh,not us then

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by iziz
I'm not saying that it's not more difficult to get those 5 fgs of hibs together for some RvR. What I am saying is that it's far from impossible. Like I said before, the problem exists because people choose not to RvR, not because there aren't enough people. If you can get 100+ people into DF inside 30 mins of it opening, or 100+ hibs out to defend a relic, there's no reason why you can't get 100+ hibs to emain. People just choose not to go.

There is no point whining (and this applies to any realm) that your 1fg got steam rolled by 3fgs of another enemy realm. Those 3fgs are meant to be there.

Nowadays you mostly hear whine if people meet more than 1 group anywhere. I don't know how many of you played beta, but during the last few days (on excal at least), there were massive battles between the 3 realms with at least 40 people on each side. They were fantastic and it showed what RvR should be. There's no reason why it couldn't be again.

main reason back then was that you could pull back and take cover at a keep. so you could go on and on and often you didn't need to release get back up. tho, now when 2 zergs crashes they wont back off untill the otherone is completely dead. it would prolly end up with 1-2 fights every 20 mins or so. back then it was one looooong fight.

and the "new" zergwarfare doesn't appeal to me that much so I rather run around in 1FG (and on rare times up to 2FG) and kill other roamers or get killed by them. this during normal RvR.

 

[Cush]

Derrics fault hibs are so few and rvr so little.. after then saw the pic of him in the red warmupsuit they no longer dare to go to emain in the risk of running into him.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by old.Cher
seems alot of people know what hib/prydwen is like without even playing there..... i'm impressed with you guys!

well. it's kinda same deal with hib/excal as I stated before. Tho there is ofc some difference.

 

[Surgeon-Elite]

givf more Hibs!

I might actually be able to find an xp grp and lvl up to 50 in that case... hard choice playing between a totally zergy server (excal) geez even the stealthers can form 1FG plus in emain or a totally underpopulated hib/pryden.

I am sure i will be back 1 day since excal is fast getting unplayable with all the zerging.

 

[Derric]

I hate you Cush

 

[zapzap]

Hibs are less yes and albs are most yes but !!!!!!

All it takes is 2 or 3 good group hibs to do full time rvr to make space for random group hibs to survive long enough to make it fun.

When it comes to raid most are done with alliance or invite in midgaard, you think we say lets kill dragon and we easy get the numbers ?? more like begin 1 week to be sure.

People want Df so they port make cg ect to get it.

I have seen 50 hibs+ many days in a row taking beno and 10 min after they suicede on guards to go PvE.

Last time i looked 1659 online 420 mids ? so 800 albs damm this patch made many move there.

The healer with 1 eye

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by Derric
I hate you Cush

i lub you to.. even tho you are from Åmål!!!

 

[cadiva]

Well, speaking from an Excalibur players perspective when I came to play again on Prydwen this is what happened.

My DAoC playing career started towards the end of closed beta in Albion. In open beta it continued in Albion right through until retail.
At that time the beta guild I was in decided we would roll Alb/Pryd because it would be less populated and had been designated as the unofficial RP server on the old GOA forums.

So we did, we headed off and continued with our beta guild in retail, a few of us left that guild and set up our own guild and then, after urm 4 months of playing Albion, we decided we'd had enough and fancied a change.
We moved to Midgard/Excalibur and there we stayed. So having played Alb, and having chars now in Mid on the second English language server, we thought ahha lets have a go on Hibernia.

All Alb chars were deleted and rerolled on Hibernia and guess what? For a supposedly friendly server I found only a few people who would talk to me if I asked them questions related to the class I was thinking of speccing in.

Now I've heard that Hibernia is supposed to be really friendly and everyone's really nice etc, but I have had very little personal experience of that at all on the two different occasions I have rolled chars on Hib and tried to level them.
None of my Hib chars got past lvl 10 because I could never find anyone to group with. The ones that got to level 10 got to level 10 because there was a chap in our Midgard guild had lvl 50 chars on Hib and one day he came out and buffed my chars and helped me level them to 10.

So, while it probably is true that there are less people on Hibernia, from my own experience it would be nice if some of the people who are on Hibernia actually bothered to be polite and speak back to people who ask their advice on things.

Now obviously, there are going to be exceptions to this rule and I'm sure there;s boatloads of really really nice people in Hibernia but I have to say I found 4 of them, one I already knew, 2 were in the same guild as the guy I already knew and one was someone who very kindly answered the questions of a newbie who wanted to know about Celtic Duel.

In conclusion, I apologise for the length of this post, all my Hibernian chars have been consigned to the dustbin and my guildmates and me now have a once a week bash night back on Alb/Pryd.

PS: Oh and I think most people who know my chars would say I'm a nice person and not at all a l33t d000d or anyone else you wouldn't want to talk to

 

[Lanfaer]

Originally posted by Malena
I`m very dissapointed join prydwen (16pm 1400 playing), join hibernia, make /who all and see only 200 hibis playing, plz hibernia needs u ! join hibernia.

On an average evening a /who in mid show 400-500 players, I really feel for you poor treehuggers