Popey calls us Nazis

[Wonk]

They call him Park in europe afaik.

 

[Scouse]

Alright, I would like to point is ok u believe or not in God (or a God) but don't speak about people who believes or not like they are stupid doing it so, respect and be respected please guys.

Kamorrista, I know what you're saying here. A sort of "live and let live" attitude, which in many ways is admirable.

However, if an idea is wrong and stupid then it deserves ridicule. It deserves a hard time. The idea, that is, not the actual person.

In practical terms it means that, as far as I'm concerned, when we're talking about religion then believers are going to get a hard time from me.


"Respect" is something earned. Religion is an idea that deserves no respect and has done plenty to invite the hard time it gets now.


I think it'd be very disrespectful to both oneself and other people to lie and tell everyone that you think religion is fine if you don't.

 

[Raven]

False god does not equal it not existing, do you not understand that?

False advertising, false prophet, etc.

Um, that's exactly what it does mean. False advertising = advertising something that does not exist, or is not as advertised. As in, is not a god.

 

[nath]

Kamorrista, I know what you're saying here. A sort of "live and let live" attitude, which in many ways is admirable.

However, if an idea is wrong and stupid then it deserves ridicule. It deserves a hard time. The idea, that is, not the actual person.

Indeed. Ideas are not sacred - all should be up for criticism and, if warranted, ridicule.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Um, that's exactly what it does mean. False advertising = advertising something that does not exist, or is not as advertised. As in, is not a god.

False god does not equal the nonexistance of one.

Don't know how else to say it, if someone can put it in a more english firendly way, would appreciate. Bet there's someone who can and knows what i mean.

Anyway, the bible mentions them and i'll return to what i originally said; it's silly not to believe in other gods if your book says there are other gods.

Indeed. Ideas are not sacred - all should be up for criticism and, if warranted, ridicule.

There is a problem with that though. Often the person is ridiculed for it too and the ridicule is not towards the idea. That kind of makes it "actual person", not just the idea.

Something like what Scouse(even if mistaken) said; "you furry thor worshipping so and so"(paraphrasing). That's certainly not ridicule at the idea.

 

[nath]

There is a problem with that though. Often the person is ridiculed for it too and the ridicule is not towards the idea. That kind of makes it "actual person", not just the idea.

You've just invented a scenario that doesn't fit with what I was saying in order to criticise what I was saying. Completely illogical. Of course there will be people behaving like fuckwits, that doesn't change the fact that ideas are not sacred and criticism of any ideas is acceptable.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You've just invented a scenario that doesn't fit with what I was saying in order to criticise what I was saying. Completely illogical. Of course there will be people behaving like fuckwits, that doesn't change the fact that ideas are not sacred and criticism of any ideas is acceptable.

Oh do't take it the wrong way, i wasn't critizising the notion you put forward, ofcourse everything can be critizised, questioned and to some degree(even if i don't agree with it) ridicule. (ridicule just isn't one of my favs, personal).

I didn't mean to question that, simply wanted to add that often it's not left to that and even worse, that is used as a defence for ridiculing the person.

Maybe i should've said "The problem with that comes -when-"?

 

[nath]

Maybe i should've said "The problem with that comes -when-"?

That'd make it clearer, sure. Anyway, people can be fuckwits, such is life.

 

[Job]

God is dying out everywhere, it's called education.
Hardly anything new after they ditched their Apollo type Gods, the Romans
were athiests for 200 years before Christianity crept in through the uneducated masses.
I know one thing for sure, the Pope doesn't believe in God, he's
too clued up and in the loop to fall for that shit, he's just playing the
game.
I watched a documentary once where a Jewish guy was recounting
how the Nazi's put him in charge of closing the doors on the gas
chambers, he said he watched them throwing babies onto the
people as they stood squashed together..at that point he knew
God didn't exist..

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think the biggest problem with believing, is that people believe god is a benevelant creature

He puts a lot of the Pantheon gods into shame with what he got into in the old testament.

 

[Scouse]

Often the person is ridiculed for it too and the ridicule is not towards the idea. That kind of makes it "actual person", not just the idea.

That's part of the experience of being human Toht.

They wouldn't be inviting the ridicule if they weren't being ridiculous.

Now, of course, christians can ridicule people to - and do. Fair enough. But intellectually they're incorrect to do so. You can't fight that mindset without arguing with them, passionately.

Reason is not something that "believers" need to be utterly convinced of an idea. And you can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs.



Edit: Toht, since you're normally up to the challenge of applying reason: What do you think of Turamber's use in an argument of Charles University in a defence of scientific principle?

Specifically, can you see the madness in doing that when he's trying to make a case for his argument's scientific credentials?

 

[Raven]

So, now that this thread has pretty much come to an end. Can we agree there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of god and that the whole concept is laughable?

 

[Krazeh]

YouTube - Eddie Izzard - Religion & Dinosaurs (2009)

 

[Turamber]

God is dying out everywhere, it's called education

Nonsense, there are plenty of highly educated people who believe in God. I was waiting for a response to evolve all by itself but had to step in to post one, damn

 

[Krazeh]

Nonsense, there are plenty of highly educated people who believe in God.

You've previously claimed this but so far have managed to only mention 3. One of which demonstrates a wonderful lack of education by claiming that evolution is nothing more than blind chance.

And then there's also the simple case that even educated people sometimes need to have something bigger than themselves to cling to. Just because they're educated doesn't make their evidence-less delusions any more valid. Some people will believe regardless of education, this doesn't however mean that education doesn't lead to fewer people believing.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Edit: Toht, since you're normally up to the challenge of applying reason: What do you think of Turamber's use in an argument of Charles University in a defence of scientific principle?

Specifically, can you see the madness in doing that when he's trying to make a case for his argument's scientific credentials?

I might be up to the challenge, but i choose not to fight your arguments for you

You're rather contradicting yourself by those two lines, claiming that you attack an idea and not the person, while saying attacking the person is ok.

Would also like to point out that while you may not discuss things with some believers, some non-believers are equally bad.

 

[Scouse]

Cop out tbfh.

Mainly because you can see the ridiculousness, but the fact you've got your flag firmly in the "I'm religious" camp you, for some reason, don't want to "break ranks". I thought better of ya old bean

 

[Raven]

The thing is there is little wrong with people wanting to go and prey each week, if that's what they want then fine. The problem is this nonsense getting taught as fact to impressionable young children by people in a position of trust. I went to a Church of England primary school and it was drummed into us daily, its actually quite sickening and imo basically child abuse (mental) There are schools that teach creationism as fact ffs. Even most Christians see the book of Genesis as false.

They should be taught about it and given a choice, it is a part of our history at the end of the day but not taught it as fact because it clearly isn't.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Cop out tbfh.

Mainly because you can see the ridiculousness, but the fact you've got your flag firmly in the "I'm religious" camp you, for some reason, don't want to "break ranks". I thought better of ya old bean

Not a cop out, opt out really. Actually it's no-out as i've not been -in- it to start with. I have neither this or that opinion on Turambers use of X vs Y or Z there after, so i don't comment on it. Nor i have a spesific inclination to form an opinion.

About the "flag firmly planted" anywhere, that's your view and it's well known that your view is scewed(starting from ranking me with christians).

 

[Scouse]

Cop-Out, Opt-Out, Surrendermonkey. It's all the same shit.

Dress it however you like it Toht, but you've gayed it.

Simple question, totally ducked

 

[old.Tohtori]

Just because you want me to discuss something, doesn't mean i must.

Drop it and fight your own arguments.

And nothing was surrendered, gayed, ducked up or anything of that sort, i didn't even start on it to begin with.

Oh now i know who you remind me of; those aholes who try and start a fight with you for no reason after a pub-out and then get all macho/call you chicken when you don't cater to their wanky ways.

 

[Scouse]

Drop it and fight your own arguments

You've said that twice now. I wasn't having an "argument". I was asking a question in keeping with the thread, that is all.

Seems it was a bit too pertinent and cut to the bone. So I'll take it as a win thx. Feel free to waffle meaninglessly below if you must tho

 

[old.Tohtori]

It doesn't matter what you take it as, but if a "win" strokes your ego a bit more, go for it.

You weren't asking a question, you were baiting and forcing me to form an opinion(which you THEN said i already have, which is more bullsh*t).

I don't have one on it and you needing to keep on harassing me for it is pathetic and childish.

I've said it twice now because the thing you "asked" was just to stroke your opinionated e-peen, nothing more. Ergo; argue it yourself and stop looking for others for help.

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way, saying "Feel free to talk below" or "I bet you'll still say something" is a schoolyard tactic and as childish as your original forcing.

Ofcourse i'll say something if i have something to say. A: i don't need your permission to do so and B: If i didn't, it wouldn't mean i'm giving up and C: If i DO, it has no value towards your "clairvoyancy" skills.

Suck it up, f*ck off, get over it, unhinge your panties, take your pick since -now- it's...

NS

 

[Scouse]

Lol Toht

You weren't asking a question

Yes I was. A very simple question, seriously asked. I'll quote it again:

What do you think of Turamber's use in an argument of Charles University in a defence of scientific principle?

There you go. I've even linked the relevant material for ease.

I'm not "stroking my ego" or "forcing you to form an opinion" (is that even possible?). We were having a discussion and I asked a question. A pertinent and direct question, yes, but a question nonetheless.

One you spectacularly failed to answer and got massively pissy about - for an obvious reason.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I didn't fail anything, i simply didn't answer it, nor will i.

I have no opinion on it and i'm not forming one on it, you trying to force it(see?) isn't happening.

Not to mention, two things;

1: You didn't simply ask that question, you added;

"Specifically, can you see the madness in doing that when he's trying to make a case for his argument's scientific credentials?", which means you already assume i'm going to either agree with you, or leave you to call me something or other.

2: is your quote on;

"Cop out tbfh.

Mainly because you can see the ridiculousness,"

Which is more bullcrap, assuming that i have an opinion AND that it's in your favor.

Added point is that you've made up crap on this page alone, I'd say about 3-4 points. So you not only try and force people to form opinions on crap you feel so damn girly about, you also lie about the people in the process.

End result; troll and nothing more, worth maybe an ignore if that. So, dropping the subject now, feel free to rant under your bridge if you feel like it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And if you have trouble with anyone who isn't your reflection, maybe you'll listen to yourself;

"If you come across a girl that doesn't like being fucked in the ass do you badger her until you think she loves it, or find another woman?"

 

[Scouse]

Awww bless Toht. You love me enough to quote me!

 

[old.Tohtori]

I tend to remember silly lines like that

 

[Raven]

The Daily Mash - RELIGIOUS BELIEF LINKED TO BEING A BIT DIM