Pope's comments on Islam, what do you think?

[Chronictank]

I am sorry but while the guy was innocent he was an illegal immigrant, acting strange days after some bad shit went down. He ran and got himself killed.

It would be wrong to blame the officers responsible they were acting in a manner to avoid a potential suicide bomber killing others.

the issue is not shooting him, the fact of the matter is he was shot seven times, the majority of which when he was incapacitated aparently.
How can you possibly justify a person doing that being in a sane state of mind

Aswell as the fact that the matter that the story the police released has been changed so many times its a joke

 

[Mojo]

A innocent guy was shot 7 times by police officers, previously it was decided no officer did anything wrong, and no senior officer was given responsibility.

An illegal running away from the cops toward a tube station 2 days after the tube bombings.

Tuff luck!

 

[Mojo]

the issue is not shooting him, the fact of the matter is he was shot seven times, the majority of which when he was incapacitated aparently.
How can you possibly justify a person doing that being in a sane state of mind

Shoot to kill policy wasn't it?, if your going to shoot to kill the ammount you shoot is pretty irrelivent i would say.

 

[old.Tohtori]

How did they know he was an "illegal"?

Did they first ask his papers, then let him go and run to catch the train and THEN shoot him?

Or don't you get different colored people in the UK?

 

[Chronictank]

An illegal running away from the cops toward a tube station 2 days after the tube bombings.

Tuff luck!

heres another couple of facts for you, the police knew he wasnt linked to the previous bombings, he wasnt linked to any terrorist organisation, the police didnt identify themselves.
Are you seriously saying if 2 people pulled guns on you, you wouldnt get the hell out of there?

edit: mr seel said it all

 

[Mojo]

How did they know he was an "illegal"?

Did they first ask his papers, then let him go and run to catch the train and THEN shoot him?

Or don't you get different colored people in the UK?

That was the reason for him running, again it is irrelivant. illegal or bank robber, he was doing something wrong, knew it and felt he had to run.

His running away, caused his death. the reason he was running doesn't matter really. But i am sure we can assume the polic pulled or tried to pull many many people over those few days and only 1 was dumb enough to run toward a tube station and failed to stop.

 

[AngelHeal]

I cant recall christians bombing people or starting wars in my lifetime

no just the pope tells the christians in africa not to use condoms..

so they keep dieing of aids......

 

[Mojo]

are you serious?
edit: mr seel said it all

Yes totaly serious, i have no sypathy for this guy at all, not one little bit

 

[Chronictank]

That was the reason for him running, again it is irrelivant. illegal or bank robber, he was doing something wrong, knew it and felt he had to run.

His running away, caused his death. the reason he was running doesn't matter really. But i am sure we can assume the polic pulled or tried to pull many many people over those few days and only 1 was dumb enough to run toward a tube station and failed to stop.

same to you, if someone pulled a gun on you would you stand there and let them shoot you?
because thats effectively what you are saying with the above statement

He adds: "I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side."

He said he pushed the man back into his seat.

It was only after he had restrained him that he heard a gun shot.

Heres the bbc's breakdown of the various statements of the events
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4158832.stm

 

[Mojo]

same to you, if someone pulled a gun on you would you stand there and let them shoot you?
because thats effectively what you are saying with the above statement

No what I am saying is if someone pulled a gun on me I would be inclinded to do what they said.

This guy didn't stop have a chat and get shot did he, he ran and he had a reason to, so i say it again tuff luck.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, i better neverever run to catch the tube then in the UK

There was a car bomb in helsinki one year, near where i lived, and the very same day i saw people, (gosh even black people!), running towards the subway and tramstations. They weren't shot...

It just seemed ridicilous and noone can't say that it wasn't because the guy was foreign.

Oh by the way...just asking...was it proved later he was an illegal or what?

 

[Chronictank]

No what I am saying is if someone pulled a gun on me I would be inclinded to do what they said.

This guy didn't stop have a chat and get shot did he, he ran and he had a reason to, so i say it again tuff luck.

basically in your eyes lets summarise:
1) dont run for the tube regardless of your reasons, if you do you deserve to get shot
2) if you think you can get away from someone holding a gun on you, and take it you deserve to get shot
3) your not allowed to be of a "non-caucasian" appearance on the tube, if you are you deserve to be shot

makes perfect sence... LOL

 

[Mojo]

Well, i better neverever run to catch the tube then in the UK

There was a car bomb in helsinki one year, near where i lived, and the very same day i saw people, (gosh even black people!), running towards the subway and tramstations. They weren't shot...

It just seemed ridicilous and noone can't say that it wasn't because the guy was foreign.

Oh by the way...just asking...was it proved later he was an illegal or what?

Its not a about running for a tube, put it into context, terror attacks people asking u to stop, you not, running toward a tube etc etc

It had nothing to do with being foreign, but had something to do with the fact that he had dark skin. But again people are to PC about this shit to, until white people start becomming terrost suicide bombers why would people bother to seek them out?

When the IRA were doing their thing no one expected people to go after peopele with scotts and welsh accents just to make the irsh feel better, it was just common sense.

 

[Chronictank]

Its not a about running for a tube, put it into context, terror attacks people asking u to stop, you not, running toward a tube etc etc

wrong again,
he didnt run to the tube, he picked up a paper and walked onto it
the CCTV footage proved that.

 

[Mojo]

basically in your eyes lets summarise:
1) dont run for the tube regardless of your reasons, if you do you deserve to get shot
2) if you think you can get away from someone holding a gun on you, and take it you deserve to get shot
3) your not allowed to be of a "non-caucasian" appearance on the tube, if you are you deserve to be shot

makes perfect sence... LOL

That's your summerisation, nothing to do with me and way off the mark.

 

[Mojo]

wrong again,
he didnt run to the tube, he picked up a paper and walked onto it
the CCTV footage proved that.

Walked onto the tube train, ran to the tube station IIRC

 

[old.Tohtori]

Walked onto the tube train, ran to the tube station IIRC

So....he was actually on the tube, got dragged out and shot?!

 

[Ctuchik]

I am sorry but while the guy was innocent he was an illegal immigrant, acting strange days after some bad shit went down. He ran and got himself killed.

he ran because a complete stranger with no markings what so ever (wich turned out to be a undercover cop) raised his gun at him and yelled stop. would u have waited if a complete stranger points a gun at u?

i dont blame the guy, i'd leg it to.

iirc the cop didnt even pull out his badge to identify himself. he just screamed police, stop! i wouldent trust that either...

 

[Mojo]

So....he was actually on the tube, got dragged out and shot?!

Well come on, you have seen a million police tv shows to know u get no benfit of doubt if u run, whether its in a car or on foot, you run, you fail to stop you get panned. If your car alarm was going off and you spotted someone running away who would you go for? the passer buy walking his dog so you would't appear prejudice or to be making an assumption?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well come on, you have seen a million police tv shows to know u get no benfit of doubt if u run, whether its in a car or on foot, you run, you fail to stop you get panned. If your car alarm was going off and you spotted someone running away who would you go for? the passer buy walking his dog so you would't appear prejudice or to be making an assumption?

Didn't actually answer my question now did you...either times.

Was he proven to be an illegal immigrant? (by others then the same police who shot him)

And

Was he dragged out of the train and shot on the platform? If so, that's an execution for running.

 

[Lamp]

would u have waited if a complete stranger points a gun at u?

If someone's waving a gun at me, I'd do whatever the heck they tell me. Particularly if you're carrying a bag of wires a few days after terrorists have struck in a city full of trigger-itching cops. I don't care how fast you think you can run, how much martial arts training you've done. You can't out-run a bullet.

 

[Lamp]

Was he dragged out of the train and shot on the platform? If so, that's an execution for running.

He was pinned down inside the train carriage and shot 8 times in the head. I think.

 

[Mojo]

Didn't actually answer my question now did you...either times.

Was he proven to be an illegal immigrant? (by others then the same police who shot him)

And

Was he dragged out of the train and shot on the platform? If so, that's an execution for running.

Like I said it was irrelivant but to clarify yes he was illegal, no they didnt know at the time but it is of no relevance other than to explain his reason for running. He was not shot for being an illegal, he was running because he was illegal.

IIRC he was shot on the train and off it, but im not sure.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So basicly executed anyway. EDIT: Sounds to me atleast.

Ah well...

But, to the relevance of his "immigrancy" and not...well...he was evidently shot because he was black then? A white suited guy running for the tube wouldn't be shot?

'cause i'm interested in your "He deserved it" attitude.

 

[Lamp]

He wasn't shot cos of his skin colour, or immigration status. Although I'm sure that's one of the BNP's favourite policies.

 

[old.Tohtori]

He wasn't shot cos of his skin colour, or immigration status. Although I'm sure that's one of the BNP's favourite policies.

Well just was repeating what Mojo said. Thought it made sense in a f*cked up way.

But you have to say, i bet someone else ran for the tube also that day and wasn't shot.

 

[Mojo]

So basicly executed anyway. EDIT: Sounds to me atleast.

Ah well...

But, to the relevance of his "immigrancy" and not...well...he was evidently shot because he was black then? A white suited guy running for the tube wouldn't be shot?

'cause i'm interested in your "He deserved it" attitude.

I didn't say he deserved it, I said tuff luck, im sure he was a nice bloke like his mum said. I just don't have sympathy for him, he didnt do himself any favours, in fact he did the opposite.

Sure his skin tone had lots do with it, why exactly do you think at the time would they be suspicouse of white people running toward tube stations?

 

[Mojo]

Well just was repeating what Mojo said. Thought it made sense in a f*cked up way.

But you have to say, i bet someone else ran for the tube also that day and wasn't shot.

Yes, they would be the ones without armed police chasing behind them yelling "STOP POLICE"

 

[old.Tohtori]

I didn't say he deserved it, I said tuff luck, im sure he was a nice bloke like his mum said. I just don't have sympathy for him, he didnt do himself any favours, in fact he did the opposite.

Sure his skin tone had lots do with it, why exactly do you think at the time would they be suspicouse of white people running toward tube stations?

Thanks for clearing that up. Well i can't have any sympathy either, but that's just 'cause i don't have even for the 911 victims or whoever...yes yes i'm a cold bastard.

I'd have to say, why WOULDN'T they shoot white people too. I bet some white extremists are planning a massive bombing even now and chuckle in their beards as they know no white person can't be blamed.

It's just silly.

 

[Jeremiah]

Regardless of what this guy was running for, the police who chased him had no evidence he was a suicide bomber other than he came out of a block of apartments that they were survelling and then started running. They lied about everything else that they claimed made him a suspicious target.

This guy was gunned down in cold blood - he was executed for nothing. He wasnt treated like a human being, he was treated like some game animal. One man held him down as another shot him 7 times in the face - 7 times!

I may be a soft-liner, but I dont believe that people who have over-stayed their visa, but are still working, paying their taxes, being a good citizen should be exectued... I think this was a case of some undercover police being pumped full of adrenilin, having watched too many American spy movies, wanted to flex their military muscle - and then not having the balls to say that they were wrong. You shouldnt shoot someone 7 times in the face if you cant prove that he is a suicide bomber. A shot to take him down if you are acting in a way to protect public saftey (Yes, even if at this point you cant be 100% sure) but the intention of the police at this point was to end this guy's life.