Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

If you were an MP would you vote for or against it?

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Wij

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Scouse said:
No. If they hsd s pro-Israel leader they'd be well ahead.

As it is they were almost there, despite the massive damage this continuing bullshit argument is doing.

Massive. Damage.

So stop whining about corbyn, whilst complaining about Russian influence. And put your sights on a racist terrorist state that's getting a largely free ride, whilst running roughshod over our democracy.
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You seem to think that there’s only one thing making Corbyn unpopular. That is incorrect.
 
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Wij said:
You seem to think that there’s only one thing making Corbyn unpopular. That is incorrect.
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Not at all. I've stated that a number of times old bean - including that he's a) bad for me and b) that he's probably wrong (and said that in this very exchange).

But the last election, and the current difference in seats, is *so* close, and constituencies *so* marginal that I lay the blame for not having a labour majority on two things:

A) Labour Blairite candidates (Tory-lite twats of the sort who just quit) who can't (and won't) accept the new reality - to the possible detriment of the entire country.

B) The utterly dishonest, and well funded, and completely well known about, so-called "antisemitic" bullshit.

Either of these, on their own, were/are enough to keep the Tories in power. A) Is a domestic issue - human wankers being human wankers. But British human wankers.

B) Is actual and real interference by a foreign state in our domestic politics of a kind that Putin can only dream of.

Your guns are pointed in the wrong direction m8.
 
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Not at all. I've stated that a number of times old bean - including that he's a) bad for me and b) that he's probably wrong (and said that in this very exchange).

But the last election, and the current difference in seats, is *so* close, and constituencies *so* marginal that I lay the blame for not having a labour majority on two things:

A) Labour Blairite candidates (Tory-lite twats of the sort who just quit) who can't (and won't) accept the new reality - to the possible detriment of the entire country.

B) The utterly dishonest, and well funded, and completely well known about, so-called "antisemitic" bullshit.

Either of these, on their own, were/are enough to keep the Tories in power. A) Is a domestic issue - human wankers being human wankers. But British human wankers.

B) Is actual and real interference by a foreign state in our domestic politics of a kind that Putin can only dream of.

Your guns are pointed in the wrong direction m8.
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It’s just not true. He got an upsurge in votes from people who didn’t want a Tory Brexit and thought he might stop it or make it very soft (and don’t mention the manifesto, people thought it was a strategy for them to call another referendum when any deal inevitably failed the ‘six tests’.) Millions of people now realise they were wrong. He won’t win any election. Maybe those centris MPs were doing the right thing by saying that if we ever want a Labour government we need to ditch this guy who has no idea how to lead an opposition.
 
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I don't find that argument compelling @Wij.
Huge surge in centrist votes? Maybe. Or disaffected people, who voted brexit because life in blighty is shit for them, went for Corbyn's promises.

We don't know.

I suspect you're right in that he won't win an election so we'll never know (so no change, which in and of itself is a failure of an electorate that desparately wants it, ('cause that is what brexit's about after all)).

Meh. Off for a seven course meal - but "centrist" votes I read as "new labour losers". And by that I mean discredited warmongering assholes who presided over widening inequality as Tory-lite. "Centrists" failed. Centrists have been proven wrong.

I don't think his sort of change is right. I think he's probably wrong. But it is change.

It still doesn't justify religious-state-interference in British politics.

What Israel does is an affront to democracy. And much more important than Brexit will ever be.
 
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So the only Democracy in a region is an affront to democracy?

K m8. Think it's time for your medication, you've started rambling again.
 
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Scouse said:
Start of the second paragraph: "Banks have built bases on the continent in recent years...."

I know. I've been involved in it. Many many jobs that were destined for blighty, are now not.

Half our team, and probably my job too, will be sited over there by the middle of this year. Brexit is directly to blame.

Not to mention the fuckton of assets. And the rest of the industries that have already jumped ship.

And we've not even left yet...
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Sadly the plural of anecdote is not data, and your protestations of many many doesn't seem to be bearing much fruit in the real world.

Yet you were very quiet about the prospect of EU Fund Managers relocating to London due to how pathetic the Euroland exchanges are.

I notice the news that Toyota had begun production of the latest Corolla in Derbyshire passed this thread by too. It's like grumpy myopia :/
 
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So the only Democracy in a region is an affront to democracy?

K m8. Think it's time for your medication, you've started rambling again.
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Israeli interference in UK politics is an affront to our democracy.

In the same way that @Wij is rightly angered by russian interference, I'm angered by entrenched israeli interference.

It's simple and clear, and deliberately re-writing my argument to mean something completely different makes you look like a cunt.
 
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I do hope its an organic meal.
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It was. And mostly locally sourced from farms within 30 miles of where we were staying.

Pretty lucky, since I don't have control over the buying habits of hotels.

It was also delicious. :)
 
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Sadly the plural of anecdote is not data, and your protestations of many many doesn't seem to be bearing much fruit in the real world.

Yet you were very quiet about the prospect of EU Fund Managers relocating to London due to how pathetic the Euroland exchanges are.

I notice the news that Toyota had begun production of the latest Corolla in Derbyshire passed this thread by too. It's like grumpy myopia :/
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Yes it is, in the real world. But it doesn't affect *you* specifically. So you don't see it.

We're talking about people moving huge funds *out* of the UK because of brexit, so I don't see what relevance that is. How big are these funds? When are they coming? And is it going to compensate us for the massive loss of relative wealth we've undergone because the pound is fucking shite?

And "Toyota is continuing to do the work it's factory is designed for" isn't news - and is jobs neutral. If it was "Toyota is moving more manufacturing to the UK because of brexit" then you've something to crow about. "Thank fuck Toyota hasn't left like pretty much everyone else" is NOT a "win".
 
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Scouse said:
Doing what they said they'd do, agreed on at the party conference.
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After much arm twisting by all accounts but good news if they don’t fluff the details.
 
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Wij said:
For fucks sake. They are the anti-Brexit grouping first and foremost.

This may explain the sudden shift by Labour too
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They've split the labour vote, which they knew they would, and pretty much guaranteed Tory rule, continued austerity etc. etc.

I think Corbyn's been pretty clear all along - and they've followed what was agreed at their conference.

I think you're so desparate for brexit to be halted you're willing to pay a very high price. Including having new-labour back in power.

Personally, I see no scenario where we come out of anything better off - whether the Tories, new labour or Corbyn's labour wins the next election, brexit in, out or on the fence or not. :(
 
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If all the general election options are shit then isn’t it better to at least have no Brexit first?
 
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Wij said:
No-deal Brexit panic after ministers realise the UK doesn't have the right pallets for exporting to the EU
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Ohh. I like the:
"The extraordinary acknowledgment left affected industry leaders baffled."

Also:

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Nobody ever had high expectations of her, and she is indeed living down to those expectations.
 
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