Polite Petition to Goa for Improvement in Service

[Darzil]

Teleworkers are cheaper in infrastructure costs, but it's not zero cost. Typically you have to pay for their equipment, and supporting it is more expensive than stuff based where the support techs are. You mainly save on office space.

Darzil

 

[[GOA]Erivoss]

Who cares which company owns one or another?

The real fact is that with a ld every 1hr its frustrating to play this game. Moreover when u have released an expansion that has made even more laggy the rvr zones.

Umm the rvr zones are more laggy because there's (on average across the 'big' servers) 1600 people in them at peak times. Give it a week or two for people to remember there's other things to do and you should see that lag drop dramatically.

Of course then there's opentransit which we're dealing with. Please keep those ping plots coming in... had 1 in 4 days so far and OT aren't going to budge because of 1 ping plot....

 

[Vasconcelos]

Umm the rvr zones are more laggy because there's (on average across the 'big' servers) 1600 people in them at peak times. Give it a week or two for people to remember there's other things to do and you should see that lag drop dramatically.

Writing this while i try to log back from another LD

Cant agree here as i have been playing this game since Feb 2002 n the annoying lag begun 2 months ago, sumwhere around the opening of Gorre NF test.
Everything went smooth (cept massive relic raids) till then n now it gets frustrating to play.

Now you could tell me its a problem related with Opentransit performance tha last 2 months, so wot more proofs n ping plots u need? Its pretty obvious theyr the ones to blame so i would get rid of 'em n contract with another company for the good of the game, the comunity n the player database

 

[Draylor]

Cant agree here as i have been playing this game since Feb 2002 n the annoying lag begun 2 months ago, sumwhere around the opening of Gorre NF test.

Coincidence.

If you search back GOAs news page youll find it coincides exactly with 'improvements' Opentransit were making to their network From that day on the regular 5second-ish lag spikes have been a regular feature

 

[Elewyth]

Now you could tell me its a problem related with Opentransit performance tha last 2 months, so wot more proofs n ping plots u need? Its pretty obvious theyr the ones to blame so i would get rid of 'em n contract with another company for the good of the game, the comunity n the player database

err i think u didnt read what the GM's have been saying for the past 3 weeks, opentransit is like British Telecom in the UK, they provide the Backbone for Isp's to use.. you cant just get rid of em.. they own the infrastructure to which we connect to get in via france...

 

[Vasconcelos]

Keep the thread bumped


2nd time in 3 days my grps logs off due to unplayable server uke:

 

[Light]

the question i want answered is are OT doing anything about the problem or is it simply being ignored? (latter seems the case)

currently the game is pretty unplayable and seems to be getting worse, if nothing is going to change then might aswell cancel subscription.

 

[wittor]

Umm the rvr zones are more laggy because there's (on average across the 'big' servers) 1600 people in them at peak times. Give it a week or two for people to remember there's other things to do and you should see that lag drop dramatically.

ok so after 2 weeks some other ppl are going to do other stuff and the lags drop but what when it comes again to a relic raid or a huge keep take ? Jep half the server goes ld. The times that I went ld is insane in the last 2 / 3 day's. You play also on excalibur so you know that its hard lagging

 

[Esselinithia]

err i think u didnt read what the GM's have been saying for the past 3 weeks, opentransit is like British Telecom in the UK, they provide the Backbone for Isp's to use.. you cant just get rid of em.. they own the infrastructure to which we connect to get in via france...

For basics: In Hungary most of the infrastructre is owned my MATÁV, the hungarian phone company, yet if you look around, there laws in EU allows you to switch to another provide, lets see who has them: Cellular phone provider, railroad companies, TV / Radio broadcasting companies, etc. they essentially say, they are owned by france telecom so they cannot go anywhere except to their parrent company. Then I say, the whole service including net is provided by France Telecom and their subsidiaries so if it is shit it is their fault.

 

[Esselinithia]

you also have to consider theres alot more players who dont read FH and are perfectly happy with the game

population that read FH is perhaps: 25%
population of FH unhappy with GOA support: 50%
total population unhappy with goa: 12.5%

that makes you the wee minority, like the old saying goes, you can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time but you cant please all of the people all of the time

Do the math differently. The people who are unhappy tend to leave the game and play another similar game, who think DaOC is great and better in support / service / updates / etc. than others come to DaOC. Majority people voice their oppinion at stores by picking up the game or not picking it up. Think DaOC europe market share in online gaming markets is kinda low. If we see the english speaking players from good part of Europe (including Scandinavia, Central Europe, East Europe) where people don't speak french / german but have to learn some english for many other games as well... the market share looks even lower. Most players voted by NOT buying the game and NOT coming to FH... And I am sure I speak about majority, huge majority. I also know a lot of people who aren't on FH yet they aren't happy with GOA service yet play DaOC.

Lets see domino effect a bit: If the people who are unhappy and don't buy daoc invite people to other games they play, and you start trying that, you find friendy support, helpfull community who don't jump at you when you have problems like some people here, you will stay, and you will bring your friends away. I see a bit less players on daoc Europe than say a year ago, and I think players voted by stopped playing the game, and we have these retired players who still care for old friends and can take them away from game. I think these votes are far more important than telling that I am tired with arguing with GOA (a france telecom subsidiary) that the networks they are on (france telecom) has some problems with a router and not you, for months and in most problems I won't contact their support. Also I told I wouldn't care for most problems, not even 1 day no connection, etc questions. Nor about services common to Mythic version yet not in EU version. Or about questions concerning people who see nothing but their quickbar for some time, and cannot play (what can they do and how to pay their house). The problem isn't described and no news about fixing the problem.

Lets see in other wording: The problem affects a few people badly enough to prevent login till they reinstall and fix. The official site doesn't help them to see if their problem is fixed or not, or it is the problem that is investigated with Mythic now. They wait for a way to fix it to be posted. They can lose anything. If no describtions for various problems, no news about fixing them, etc. the question is simple: Is goa staff prepared to fix problems and helping people who rely on their help / site?

Is goa being profesisonal in publishing the game and making sure it gets distributed? I remember an event where they replaced BGs with a new zone and have a nice event in that zone. They had to replace the zone because they had no ways to add a zone, but can modify them, yet when they order (buy) game code from Mythic they haven't said: Please have say 3 empty zones in our version, for temporary event zones. I doubt if it would raise the costs.

Not thinking about this problem, not posting accurate information, and not trying to sell the game, but expecting me to do research to buy it, is a problem, and many aspects of it are visible.

For the roads and shop analogy from GMs, lets look it this way: If the roads doesn't let you to go to the shops, you choose another shop and shop loses profit and closes. And of course at next election you can see how you will vote about the government and get replaced, and the new government finds a new company to build the roads.

WoW coming, D&D online coming, many MMORPGs are ready, most of them have less issues, do you want to lose customers to them? Do you want to see FT lose customers and get bad reputation because of these problems? If the answer is no, start thinking about problems and working on solutions. You seen what I suggested about distributing the game, you seen the event zone idea, you seen why I suggested more servers (news of it can promote the game, and with better distribution you will need it), and server types (big news events, magazines can review it, and can generate interest). But one reason for more servers: Place some servers on different networks, you can remote admin most servers, and FT has subsidiaries in a lot of places, server rooms in a lot of places, so servers can have different routing.

Also, why tell the problem I had here and not on rightnow? Easy: There is no way to fix it officially if they see the house is gone and lot is bought by someone else they can do nothing about it, since reverting to old state would hurt another player, and there is no warranty about it, so even if I can prove the house rent paid by screenshot, chat.log and it matches with their server, they can do nothing about it. A house in a guild owned village, where everyone has everything cannot be replaced by another one far from everything so it doesn't worth the effort.

Unofficially: They know the problem about opentransit, and other problems they knew, that I sent reports about it, with MTR data, it was pointless game was unplayable for me, they can check that others were asked to pay for my house (IPs logged for stuff) and that I paid my subs for this reason. I paid for something, and lose of house and conditions around it can make the bug claim beliveable. The GMs had options to say sorry because it happened, and they had chances to say: If it is your problem, there is an empty village here or there maybe if you team up with your friends you can have a friendly village. An information that takes 5 minutes to find for them, and makes you feel better and like the game, and makes you trust their support.

Same with buying expansions stuff: If you google for it, a lot of the shops sell the game in english in UK, yet not many of them deliver to every part of Europe. So googling and researching takes a lot of time, and not all would be customers are happy with it, neither with a pointer for a french site you can't realy useand "you can patch after you agreed to an in french contract you don't know" idea. Yet for goa.com staff it takes far less time to find a such distributor and then update their links for it. And difficultieswith such purchases are a well known long time problem.

You want more people vote about the game by not buying it, leaving it? You want to see more people unhappy from the current players? I don't. I want less from both unhappy players, and people who avoid daoc because of these problems. And this is the place when identifying and fixing the problems help.

And for the people who jump in "defense" of goa and willing to lie, and when after their insults in several posts they got their language back start moaning howbad person you are: if you think by brining problems up, you will discourage FT from running the game, you are wrong. But by letting the problem stay, and showing your attitude for others on FH who just check DaOC forums before checking DaOC after another MMORPGs, you make DaOC less competitive. This can make market share of DaOC Europe shrinking, which in turn can discourage FT from running DAOC for you anymore.

Ones who claim NwN can have phone based tech support even for scripting, many MMORPGs can have similar tech support (horizons, etc) but DaOC can't because it is more difficult to support than NwN scripting, other MMORPGs, etc. all combined, and FT support for automated call centers, and a few operators who knows daoc can't do the job forget anything: Lieing about problems and trying to explain why they shouldn't be solved wouldn't make the problem look less real for ones who need the support, or ones who just read it before deciding which game to buy. And as it looks like they will invite their friends to other games, and daoc will lose players this way.

 

[Elewyth]

For basics: In Hungary most of the infrastructre is owned my MATÁV, the hungarian phone company, yet if you look around, there laws in EU allows you to switch to another provide, lets see who has them: Cellular phone provider, railroad companies, TV / Radio broadcasting companies, etc. they essentially say, they are owned by france telecom so they cannot go anywhere except to their parrent company. Then I say, the whole service including net is provided by France Telecom and their subsidiaries so if it is shit it is their fault.

your just not getting it are you? sure they can switch PROVIDER,, but they cant AVOID the backbone, different providers DONT have theyre own backbones in France.. and where they do its severely limited to area like NTL is here in the UK.. so even if they DID switch provider they would still be routed through opentransit's part.. its not avoidable.

 

[Herjulf]

I've never had a problem with RN, nor Subs. i think GM cover is currently very good, GM's are around from 7 or am until 11~pm. Do Mythic even do propper 24 hour tech support?

Tilda

when was a GM last online ?

Been meeding one off and on for days now for different reasons, bugged artis etc.
But noone is ever online.

And rightnow isnt a viable option.
Got a healer stuck for 2 months now and counting after a myriad of rightnows its still stuck.

 

[IainC]

A GM was last online today.
Before that it was Friday, most of the day on one or both servers. The time before that would have been thursday on one or both servers. There are GMs available either directly ingame or via the E&E team from 10am CET to 11pm CET mon-fri.

 

[Tilda]

Keep the thread bumped
2nd time in 3 days my grps logs off due to unplayable server uke:

So stop posting here, and get all of "your" group do make ping-plots. When you all have a ping plot, RN it. Then the next night, do this again, the more ping plots are recived, the quicker OT reacts!

 

[Tilda]

when was a GM last online ?

Been meeding one off and on for days now for different reasons, bugged artis etc.
But noone is ever online.

And rightnow isnt a viable option.
Got a healer stuck for 2 months now and counting after a myriad of rightnows its still stuck.

Yes you never bothered to tell any E&E, neither here, nor in game, nor on irc.
Come on, gimmie a break here, on the one hand you whine and moan that nobodys ever around, and on the other, you hardly bother even trying to get help.

 

[Vasconcelos]

So stop posting here, and get all of "your" group do make ping-plots. When you all have a ping plot, RN it. Then the next night, do this again, the more ping plots are recived, the quicker OT reacts!

1. Im not stopping to post here just coz u say so (oh n would be nice if u clear the meaning of those " " above your)

2. Already sent ping.plots once n cba to do it again, why?

3. Sending ping-plots doesnt do fuk. As i know ppl who have pushing this issue during the last 2 months and nothing has changed


I cannot understand the ones who keep supporting GOA in this problem when it clearly affects themselves too.

 

[Quinlan]

1. Im not stopping to post here just coz u say so (oh n would be nice if u clear the meaning of those " " above your)

2. Already sent ping.plots once n cba to do it again, why?

3. Sending ping-plots doesnt do fuk. As i know ppl who have pushing this issue during the last 2 months and nothing has changed


I cannot understand the ones who keep supporting GOA in this problem when it clearly affects themselves too.

Lol you really dont get it. If you have lag and want to have it fixed faster send the freaking tracerts. If you dont since you cba then just shut up

 

[Tilda]

1. Im not stopping to post here just coz u say so (oh n would be nice if u clear the meaning of those " " above your)

The "" means, that you said it, thus i'm quoting you.

2. Already sent ping.plots once n cba to do it again, why?

The more ping plots GoA get, over a greater period of time adds weight to their argument with OT so they can say 'Look, we told you about this on xx and sent you ping plots and it still hasn't changed'

3. Sending ping-plots doesnt do fuk. As i know ppl who have pushing this issue during the last 2 months and nothing has changed

How many of the people who you know and have pushed about this issue, have acctually bothered to send in a RN with a ping plot, i'd bet that fewer than 10 have.

I cannot understand the ones who keep supporting GOA in this problem when it clearly affects themselves too.

I cannot understand why you keep whining when its plain to anybody with half a brain that theres nothing GoA can do about the lag until more people send in ping plots, all the whine in the world won't do a thing unless its backed up with Ping plots.

Tilda

 

[Esselinithia]

your just not getting it are you? sure they can switch PROVIDER,, but they cant AVOID the backbone, different providers DONT have theyre own backbones in France.. and where they do its severely limited to area like NTL is here in the UK.. so even if they DID switch provider they would still be routed through opentransit's part.. its not avoidable.

What I said are about different backbones

 

[Vasconcelos]

I cannot understand why you keep whining when its plain to anybody with half a brain that theres nothing GoA can do about the lag until more people send in ping plots, all the whine in the world won't do a thing unless its backed up with Ping plots.

Now this is funny, you cannot understand why ppl whine when they dont recieve a correct service, has been said earlier: we pay GOA for delivering a service n we dont mind if they have problems with their suppliers, theyr responsible with their clients n blaming 3rd parties is not the correct way to manage a business. You dont need to have quarter a brain to understand this simply logic:

game lags a lot -> ppl cannot play it correctly -> ppl get mad -> ppl go complain n whine n share their complains to the only place they know staff from GOA reads.

So they are w8ing to have xxxx amount of ping pplots to do something??
Do they need more ping plots to realize games lag a lot?

 

[Esselinithia]

I cannot understand why you keep whining when its plain to anybody with half a brain that theres nothing GoA can do about the lag until more people send in ping plots, all the whine in the world won't do a thing unless its backed up with Ping plots.

I think lieing isn't a good way to defend goa.com lets see a few things. Lets see what GOA.COM can do about their lag.

1. they can run mtr / ping plots on servers for extended time to check 4 hour stats to ISPs used by various players. They can do it to tracert an often LDing group mate, a 12 years old kid won't pingplot them.
2. In all countries the broadcats radio and TV have their own backbone, so do railways, etc. and some international carrier providers, so they can avoid OpenTransit if it would be about France.
3. They can host the servers at different locations and remote admin them, FT has enough subsidiaries for it, and it can lead to different routing for these servers => better chance that you can connect to at least one server without problems.

But it is about no other backbone within FT the company that runs daoc...Ie if their own network is bugged and their bosses say don't use a possible rivals network they can either fix it or screw it. They made their own decision. Anyone who knows how telecommunication industry, internet, etc, works or cares to think about it can identify the problems. Would you trust a service that isn't fixed but its moderators and admins lie to protect their backs, show guessed stats that are false and you can notice it in 1 minutes? Would you try very hard to buy their service. Imho this is why english servers doesn't have enough population and daoc europe doesn't have too good market share. Start helping instead of lieing.

 

[[GOA]Erivoss]

they can run mtr / ping plots on servers for extended time to check 4 hour stats to ISPs used by various players. They can do it to tracert an often LDing group mate, a 12 years old kid won't pingplot them.

Sure, give me your IP and I'll ping you all night while you play. That's obviously a better plan than you hitting a button when you start lagging bad and then sending me a picture of the results...

In all countries the broadcats radio and TV have their own backbone, so do railways, etc. and some international carrier providers, so they can avoid OpenTransit if it would be about France.

And how exactly are TV broadcasts and radio going to help us? Wireless DAoC across all of Europe? Well that would be a really cool idea, I'll just be waiting for the billion euro cheque to come through the mail in order to fund it. For the net, there is one company that owns ALL the infrastructure - France Telecom. When I pay my adsl at home, I pay my adsl company for the service they provide, but I still rent the phone line from France Telecom. Think of it like the NationalGrid or Railtrack in England.

They can host the servers at different locations and remote admin them, FT has enough subsidiaries for it, and it can lead to different routing for these servers => better chance that you can connect to at least one server without problems.

this is just too much... I'm speechless.

 

[Tilda]

Now this is funny, you cannot understand why ppl whine when they dont recieve a correct service, has been said earlier: we pay GOA for delivering a service n we dont mind if they have problems with their suppliers, theyr responsible with their clients n blaming 3rd parties is not the correct way to manage a business. You dont need to have quarter a brain to understand this simply logic:

This makes very little sense, OT are technicly GoA's suppliers, they provide the routing for the game, going by your logic, you dont mind if they have a problem with this.

game lags a lot -> ppl cannot play it correctly -> ppl get mad -> ppl go complain n whine n share their complains to the only place they know staff from GOA reads.

So if people did something proactive like sending in ping plots rather than whining and hoping that it gets fixed, it would happen sooner.

So they are w8ing to have xxxx amount of ping pplots to do something??
Do they need more ping plots to realize games lag a lot?

No, as I said, the more ping plots they have showing lag at an OT router, the stronger their case is to OT. Theres nothing stopping them sending in 4 ping plots and saying look, you have a problem. But if they send in 200 ping plots from all over europe saying look you have a problem, the people at OT are far more likley to sit up and pay attention.
They are well aware that the game is laggy for people who connect through the OT routers, however they can't do much until they have enough ping plots to make OT take notice. Sure they can complain and raise the issue, but it would have a similar effect as talking to a brick wall.
Strikingly similar to this post.

Tilda

 

[Vasconcelos]

This makes very little sense, OT are technicly GoA's suppliers, they provide the routing for the game, going by your logic, you dont mind if they have a problem with this.

Wrong

And you would know it if you ran a business for yourself.
If you are offering a service to a certain base of customers who pay a month fee for it, you are responsible with em on providing the full service. Imagine amazon sending you and email explaining they cant deliver the full content of the order you paid for, coz FedEx is not working properly and its their fault. Who would you blame? Who do you direct your complains to? You would ask em to deliver your order correctly even if they had to change delivering company.

Oh, and this is the 2nd time i send pingplots (just sent another log 15min ago, this time to Erivoss). Lets see if it works (annoying form of proactive customer service, might suppose a record in the bussiness history), while i w8 i will keep complaining n demanding for the full service im paying for every month on the only place i know staff from GOA can hear/read me.

 

[enigma]

Wrong

And you would know it if you ran a business for yourself.
If you are offering a service to a certain base of customers who pay a month fee for it, you are responsible with em on providing the full service. Imagine amazon sending you and email explaining they cant deliver the full content of the order you paid for, coz FedEx is not working properly and its their fault. Who would you blame? Who do you direct your complains to? You would ask em to deliver your order correctly even if they had to change delivering company.

No, you are wrong. You don't understand what OT really is.

It's not possible to change delivering company in this case. Opentransit owns the hardware that EVERY SINGLE BIT that enters and exits france goes through. Opentransit is not a normal internet access provider. All the ISP's in france rent the physical wires from OT and OT are the ONLY owner of those wires. There are no substitutes for OT.

 

[Vasconcelos]

No, you are wrong. You don't understand what OT really is.

It's not possible to change delivering company in this case. Opentransit owns the hardware that EVERY SINGLE BIT that enters and exits france goes through. Opentransit is not a normal internet access provider. All the ISP's in france rent the physical wires from OT and OT are the ONLY owner of those wires. There are no substitute for OT.

And who are denying wot OT is?

Im talking about the right of every customer to complain about not receiving the service hes paying for in a correct form. And since i pay my fee to GOA i direct my complains to em, shame RightNow stopped replying lag issues mails.

 

[Solarius]

And who are denying wot OT is?

Im talking about the right of every customer to complain about not receiving the service hes paying for in a correct form. And since i pay my fee to GOA i direct my complains to em, shame RightNow stopped replying lag issues mails.

You're willing to spend the time replying to this thread, protesting your "right" to complain about the service, yet you "can't be arsed" to run a pingplotter when you hit lag?

:touch:

Just run the damn pingplotter, it can't take much longer than posting your replies and may just help the lag, unlike the whining.

 

[Vasconcelos]

You're willing to spend the time replying to this thread, protesting your "right" to complain about the service, yet you "can't be arsed" to run a pingplotter when you hit lag?

:touch:

Just run the damn pingplotter, it can't take much longer than posting your replies and may just help the lag, unlike the whining.

I suggest you to read carefully wot ppl post before posting bs . Already said 3 times i ve sent ping plots to RightNever more than once. Last one just this afternoon straight to erivoss(at)goa(dot)com


As im writing this im sending another ping-plot report and i even have time to whine again for the shitty lag we had this evening


edited - please don't put email addresses in posts. We have better things to do than wade through viagra spam and virus emails.

 

[Esselinithia]

Sure, give me your IP and I'll ping you all night while you play. That's obviously a better plan than you hitting a button when you start lagging bad and then sending me a picture of the results...

1st: you don't have to check every user but have to monitor connectivity with most major ISP, doable. If you also log LD events in the game, and log ping data, and see that at the same time you have problems in ping data, that is far more clear proof. Why?

1. When you go LD you notice the problem after it happens. You can't know what happened before the LD, what caused it. But if you have everything logged and just filter out the information for times of mass LDs and involved ISPs, you have the best data. But I think if you use shiny tools and images and no raw data, etc. it doesn't look like your field of expertise.
2. It is automated, not influenced by problems on clients computer, etc. doesn't depend on quick action, etc.

2nd: You clearly don't spend time to learn how to use pingplotter, haven't you tought about using it persistently, and using alerts to export good data, and if LD / lag happens at the same time send the results to you? Even if user has to use ping plotter there are good ways to do it and not so good way to do it.

3rd: Why should I buy a ping plotter licence to find a problem in your network?

4th: Running your pathcer causes visible lag in ping plotter.

And how exactly are TV broadcasts and radio going to help us? Wireless DAoC across all of Europe? Well that would be a really cool idea, I'll just be waiting for the billion euro cheque to come through the mail in order to fund it. For the net, there is one company that owns ALL the infrastructure - France Telecom. When I pay my adsl at home, I pay my adsl company for the service they provide, but I still rent the phone line from France Telecom. Think of it like the NationalGrid or Railtrack in England.

1. The all the infrastructure claim isn't look valid, since interests of national security says, information systems used by railway, broadcast radio and telephone networks should be separated from each other, also unversity networks tend to be on a different net. Of course being a france telecom subsidiary all what you have to access is FT network. Yet, when the phone company has limited access to a region, yet the railway company has their network for signals and most of their cables are unused, they can use that to provide Backbone traffic.Very recently all phone companies had monopoly set in law for phone connections, but not for data, so for leased lines there were competitors, but since EU dictates open market it changed a bit, and everyone who has infratructure is freeto sell it, and you are free to buy it. It isn't in general practice to see that you buy connectivity from your national railway but it is doable.
2. Good, so all links between french routers of say spiritlink belongs to you as well? I tought I have to complain to them, and not to you, now I know I should pester you with spiritlink problems as well, since that is FT too if it is in France Oh, they have their own routers and leased lines so it wouldn't be a good idea?
3. You might be a good GM, but I think in some cases you would help and be on players side in that case, but I think you don't know too much about network infrastructure, but call experts at OT and FT, nice and I think it is what you should do. Luckily when problems happen I consult some network admins, and some people in local phone company, and learned about all the alternatives before.
4. If you don't know, even phone companies, use wireless links, including but not limited to satelite and microwave links, and even radio / TV boradcasting companies have lines represented by actual cables, etc. Wireless daoc would mean: Wireless link directly with customers. It is very different that some microwave links used in a "leased line" you might use. Say TVnet has quite a few micorwave links if you see their network map, and they are a decent ISP here, do you say, their customers play wireless daoc? The fact that some phone lines to USA use satelite links and not cables make your phone at home "wireless" even if it wouldn't be wireless otherwise? ROFL!

I think the NF download shown how strong your lines, etc are.

 

[Elewyth]

using wireless or even satellite connections is fruitless to say the least since even with the faintest whiff of low cloud cover or rain they cease to work, i should know i helped to launch BT's Satellite Broadband system... and no it isnt cheap to implement.. and still doesnt cover everywhere, BT spent MILLIONS implementing theyre Satellite programme and it still only reaches aprrox 45% of the Uk in terms of coverage where ADSL cannot be implemented.. suggesting that DAOC be routed via these means made me laugh very hard indeed.. i may need ti change my underwear soon if i dont stop laughing.