Please Dont ADD ffs!

[bebopbo]

For those that QQ/Spit dummy out/Cry IRL etc about getting "wtfpwnd" because of add, Wonder how ya gunna cope with server merge \o/

One thing thats always made me laugh when i read posts with ppl whining about adding, is some of the posters run in opted FG's who quite happily run over/gank soloers, afterall, the reason why ppl whine about adds is because they want a "fair fight" is it not ?

So what about soloers, do they not fall into the "fair fight" cat?

When a FG rolls over a soloer, the soloer is outnumbered 8-1 (im clever at maths \o/ ) ...So when that FG (that just ran over a soloer) gets added on by, lets say 1 or 2 other grps they come on FH & do they're qq/cry_more thing tbh to make it "fair" (key word eh!) A fg that runs over a soloer should never complain until they get added on by 8fg's or over, which is the same ratio (im still clever at maths tbh!) as what that lil soloer got when your opted fg just ran over them.

& before you ask, yes ive been ganked many times by fg's when ive been solo, ive also been in grps thats ganked soloers many times But this post is to point out to those few who do run in opted setups that always whine about getting added on even though many times ive seen for myself that there grp quite happily run over soloers... "Do as i say not as i do" springs to mind imo

Have fun & happy adding!

 

[Aklaim]

Eh didn't really get the "point" of this thread.. but its 4:30 am and after this post im off to bed. You saying Opt FG's shouldn't complain about getting added on when they just go around ganking solos, duos, etc because they wanted a fair fight but didn't give the soloers a fair fight?

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I think that sums it up .

 

[Boggy]

I think the whole idea of 8 v 8 being a fair fight is a bit warped. If you take a high RR, opted gank group in full ToA gear vs a random group of low RRs it's clearly not a fair fight. That's assuming you define fair fight as one where both sides have some chance of winning.

It's kinda like saying an 8 man squad of commandos would be a fair fight against 8 cavemen with stone clubs.

 

[BigE]

think the point is most fgs dont give a sh1t about adding on solo fight, yet as soon as that soloer adds on there fgvfg fight .. you get the drift..

 

[Edlina]

think the whole idea of 8 v 8 being a fair fight is a bit warped. If you take a high RR, opted gank group in full ToA gear vs a random group of low RRs it's clearly not a fair fight. That's assuming you define fair fight as one where both sides have some chance of winning.

It's kinda like saying an 8 man squad of commandos would be a fair fight against 8 cavemen with stone clubs.

Agree totally that it does not make a fair fight, and generally whine about adding is not based on something like 2 pugs adding vs an opted group, but adds when opted groups fight other opted groups... It's quite a bit more often that you see wajn at Maelstrom (for example) for adding, than for any random pickup group, infact the latter almost never happens...

As for the commandos vs cavemen senario this is somewhat different as the cavemens have access to all the same things the commandos have, they just 'choose' not to utilise it. (ie. choose meaning whatever reason ('excuse') they aren't fully toa'd, running in an opted group, having a reasonable amount of rvr experience, or whatever else, yet (most often lack of dedication/addiction or real life time limits (not that even someone just playing 2-3hours a week shouldn't have been able to toa at least 1 char yet, but you know...).)

Regardless then back on the issue, while I understand the point I personally think it's quite different seeing as the imposed limit of members in a group is 8, no less no more, speed (without ctr anyway) only affects the members of the speeders group, a clear indication of the point that groups are not meant to be larger than 8, if someone runs with less than 8 people in their group, however, that is their own fault for not using the full space in their group - so to speak.

 

[AngelHeal]

get sum sleep \o/

 

[Belisar]

Hhhmm I really struggle with this subject.

Firstly the good GG's do add. I have seen it and experienced it. They do gank soloers (seen it and experienced it).

Secondly I struggle when I see an enemy to run through the thought process of wondering if I should add or not, counting up the numbers to see if the sides are even and then having a chat with the group I am running with to ask their opinion. See enemy - go try it kill is how I react. Most of the time I do not even know who we have fought until afterwards (i.e Mael, PE etc). It's easier when you see a 1 vs 1 fight to stop because my alcohol befuddled brain can work that one out.

Commando's versus Cavemen ? This is true to an extent in that non-opted groups such as the ones I often run in do not always have the option of running as an opted group because we cannot get the right classes to join. So we either run as we are or do not run at all. Someone like me has more than 1 toon I run in RvR because I try to make the best for the group I am with - therefore it is a longer and harder job for me to be fully toa'd (and level 10 on arti's).

Finally many groups run using 3rd party programmes (no not radar) but using voice coms - this makes a big difference to reaction times.

To me the best fights are the even ones where both sides have a chance of winning - I do not mind losing those (athough I prefer winning). But it is hard to find those so we make the best of what we have.

 

[BigE]

^agree .. even with voice comms its not easy.. To win a fight it tends to be who reacts first. So the whole grp are primed for see inc enemy react.. mezz, spread, target class etc etc .. so a lot of when u tend to add or add its really a last min decision and sometimes comes too late.. <this goes for all sides not just making my excuses>.

 

[AngelHeal]

Hhhmm I really struggle with this subject.

Firstly the good GG's do add. I have seen it and experienced it. They do gank soloers (seen it and experienced it).

Secondly I struggle when I see an enemy to run through the thought process of wondering if I should add or not, counting up the numbers to see if the sides are even and then having a chat with the group I am running with to ask their opinion. See enemy - go try it kill is how I react. Most of the time I do not even know who we have fought until afterwards (i.e Mael, PE etc). It's easier when you see a 1 vs 1 fight to stop because my alcohol befuddled brain can work that one out.

Commando's versus Cavemen ? This is true to an extent in that non-opted groups such as the ones I often run in do not always have the option of running as an opted group because we cannot get the right classes to join. So we either run as we are or do not run at all. Someone like me has more than 1 toon I run in RvR because I try to make the best for the group I am with - therefore it is a longer and harder job for me to be fully toa'd (and level 10 on arti's).

Finally many groups run using 3rd party programmes (no not radar) but using voice coms - this makes a big difference to reaction times.

To me the best fights are the even ones where both sides have a chance of winning - I do not mind losing those (athough I prefer winning). But it is hard to find those so we make the best of what we have.

yeah ;like yesteday, when every1 in my group spoke danish over voicecom and i had no clue what they were saying

 

[Alexandrinus]

FG-fights
tbh in the time you think about adding a fight,all could be already dead( see reaver bombing), and often only one dead key group member can be the dead of all others.
So there is nearly no time to make the choose of add or not.

Solo Fights
In a solo fight you have in 80% of the fights the choose to add or not,and that most of the Hib's do, i have seen in the last few month's.
i dunno about other realms.

and gratz to all for this really abnormal, nearly whine free treat :eek2:

 

[Dandare]

For those that QQ/Spit dummy out/Cry IRL etc about getting "wtfpwnd" because of add, Wonder how ya gunna cope with server merge \o/

One thing thats always made me laugh when i read posts with ppl whining about adding, is some of the posters run in opted FG's who quite happily run over/gank soloers, afterall, the reason why ppl whine about adds is because they want a "fair fight" is it not ?

So what about soloers, do they not fall into the "fair fight" cat?

When a FG rolls over a soloer, the soloer is outnumbered 8-1 (im clever at maths \o/ ) ...So when that FG (that just ran over a soloer) gets added on by, lets say 1 or 2 other grps they come on FH & do they're qq/cry_more thing tbh to make it "fair" (key word eh!) A fg that runs over a soloer should never complain until they get added on by 8fg's or over, which is the same ratio (im still clever at maths tbh!) as what that lil soloer got when your opted fg just ran over them.

& before you ask, yes ive been ganked many times by fg's when ive been solo, ive also been in grps thats ganked soloers many times But this post is to point out to those few who do run in opted setups that always whine about getting added on even though many times ive seen for myself that there grp quite happily run over soloers... "Do as i say not as i do" springs to mind imo

Have fun & happy adding!

zzzzzzzzz <goes back to bed>

 

[Alexandrinus]

yeah ;like yesteday, when every1 in my group spoke danish over voicecom and i had no clue what they were saying

because you all come from holland

 

[Jarahl]

because you all come from holland

Was that meh ?

Anyways I've turned loads of times when I've seen battles going on, unless I see its Zerg vs Zerg.

Same goes with Stealthers, at least I have the decensy to let the fight end before I kill him or somethin, but never just steamroll them both.

Anyways I still think its enoying that when (the few times it happens) a fg meets a fg, that wankers has to come and add, being stealther adds or other fgs adding, its lame. If you ask me

 

[Pudzy]

Nomatter ho wmuch we whine, we're never gona see fair fights in daoc, because of the demand for realm points.

 

[Adianna]

An enemy is an enemy. Easiest way to not have any conflicts between the so called "fair" RvR and the real RvR. No regret, no remorse.

Anything else leads to some kind of pseudo moral, that won't work. Something like they added us, so we will add them once, but we are the good guys...

What if they behave the same way and accidentally "added" on you or you accidentally added on them then? Happy adding.

 

[brad]

TBH you will never hardly ever get a fair fight. You will always have people that want to leech on everything. ( looks at the scouts)

Mainly in RVR i solo, and soloing as a warrior is preety hard, i dont have stealth or speed to run with so it isn't easy to get around.

And by the time i actually get to berk/beno after being on a boat for fives minutes i seem to die preety quickly afterwards, i might find a solo fight at the bridge or in the open but as soon as that happens, albs and hibs are like o leeeching time. Either a fg hibs or albs steam role me, or you get the sucky stealther adds who add and run away on a fight.

Me personnaly i dont add, i prefer to have fair fights, even if it isn't me fighting, just say a infil and a NS i wont leech into the fight because it sucks. you would probably get crappy amount of RP anyway and what have you achieved by leeching? nothing i say NOTHING

( side note) it would be nice if fg just decided to leave soloers alone, that goes for all realms, because when people actually try to solo in the game it is virtually impossible because everyone leeches.

And thanks for Rising force who actually do leave me alone when im soloing the most decent alb guild. /bow

Bradlex 5l1 norse warrior.

 

[Labello]

I agree with you.
This adding thing is going crazy.

I add when ever i whant to, and if i don't add it's becues i am being a nice guye.
but that doese not mean i am bad guy couse i add.
It's still my enemies and it's still my realm points and it's my realm boddy that might die.
Am i going to let my realm boddy Die couse of a whine from FH that caled Adding? ofc not, i will help my realm and kill the Enemie.

If you get a fair fight, you shoud be realy glad for it and not pissed of when you don't get it.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

I think the whole idea of 8 v 8 being a fair fight is a bit warped. If you take a high RR, opted gank group in full ToA gear vs a random group of low RRs it's clearly not a fair fight. That's assuming you define fair fight as one where both sides have some chance of winning.

It's kinda like saying an 8 man squad of commandos would be a fair fight against 8 cavemen with stone clubs.

lol why bother making a 8man not opted random group
seriously we dont have 2002 anymore, game changed alot and with those groups you are walking rps nothing more nothing less, but that is alot different to stealther adds, cuz it lies in your hands to make a decent group or run out with bullshit setup, while stealthers will always add on you no matter what group you run. But using shit random setup with shit rog players and then complain about ppl who are smarter when it comes to making group setups + ppl who put the effort in getting top toa gear and ML´s is just bullshit deluxe, get a clue seriously

cant even be arsed to get decent template but crys when ppl who arent that lazy pwn him - hypocricy to the max rly

 

[daoc_xianghua]

TBH you will never hardly ever get a fair fight. You will always have people that want to leech on everything. ( looks at the scouts)

Mainly in RVR i solo, and soloing as a warrior is preety hard, i dont have stealth or speed to run with so it isn't easy to get around.

And by the time i actually get to berk/beno after being on a boat for fives minutes i seem to die preety quickly afterwards, i might find a solo fight at the bridge or in the open but as soon as that happens, albs and hibs are like o leeeching time. Either a fg hibs or albs steam role me, or you get the sucky stealther adds who add and run away on a fight.

Me personnaly i dont add, i prefer to have fair fights, even if it isn't me fighting, just say a infil and a NS i wont leech into the fight because it sucks. you would probably get crappy amount of RP anyway and what have you achieved by leeching? nothing i say NOTHING

( side note) it would be nice if fg just decided to leave soloers alone, that goes for all realms, because when people actually try to solo in the game it is virtually impossible because everyone leeches.

And thanks for Rising force who actually do leave me alone when im soloing the most decent alb guild. /bow

Bradlex 5l1 norse warrior.

you have testudo =)

 

[Killerbee]

lol why bother making a 8man not opted random group
seriously we dont have 2002 anymore, game changed alot and with those groups you are walking rps nothing more nothing less, but that is alot different to stealther adds, cuz it lies in your hands to make a decent group or run out with bullshit setup, while stealthers will always add on you no matter what group you run. But using shit random setup with shit rog players and then complain about ppl who are smarter when it comes to making group setups + ppl who put the effort in getting top toa gear and ML´s is just bullshit deluxe, get a clue seriously

cant even be arsed to get decent template but crys when ppl who arent that lazy pwn him - hypocricy to the max rly

I can't agree with you. There are loads of ppl who are really not RvR orientated but like to go out to RvR here and there. Maybe they have uber PvE SC (like theu with 75% pp but crap magic resists), have MLs (but using what is better in PvE so perf friars).

If they don't wanna zerg they have no chance, even an opted trio can farm them (with the needed classes ofc) and you can't tell them stay with keep taking, casue maybe they find it dull.

There is no solution tho, don't think that some new BGs for opted or random grps could solve it.

 

[Chimaira]

To have fair 8v8 on prydwen let maelstrom and pe and eclipse go to some little corner of snowdonia and fight each others there take turns and so on xD

I dunno why they find it fair to fight a group of Myrmidons and loller in vent when they own them in 5 seconds or when it comes 20 Myrmidons and roxstar them. or brehons or saltvaktens xD

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Balance does not exist.

'Fair' 1-vs-1 does not exist, and neither does 'fair' 8-vs-8. The classes aren't copies of each other, the abilities aren't and the players aren't clones of each other either.

Adding does not exist.

There is only 'Us' and 'Them'. Not 'Me' and 'Them'. There is no such thing as a 'fair' fight. See previous paragraph. You are playing the wrong game if that is what you're looking for.

The ONLY reason why people make 'Gank Groups' (The name already indicates this) is that it's easy to have a small, compact, solid group that makes farming RPs fast and optimal. There is no issue about fairness about it at all. (And people who claim otherwise are either clueless or hyporites - example in the OF GG's would actively AVOID each other after running into each other once or twice. So much for looking for a competative fight.)

Take the 'Do not add'-whines with a grain of salt. Most are written on the spur and in a rage of frustration by people who should have waited 10min before posting.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

An enemy is an enemy. Easiest way to not have any conflicts between the so called "fair" RvR and the real RvR. No regret, no remorse.

Anything else leads to some kind of pseudo moral, that won't work. Something like they added us, so we will add them once, but we are the good guys...

What if they behave the same way and accidentally "added" on you or you accidentally added on them then? Happy adding.

It's a game, not rl war, some ppl acually like "fair play" with no adding where both parts have a chance to win.

some ppl RvR for fun, not for Arthur the mighty king of albion !! :touch:

 

[daoc_xianghua]

I can't agree with you. There are loads of ppl who are really not RvR orientated but like to go out to RvR here and there. Maybe they have uber PvE SC (like theu with 75% pp but crap magic resists), have MLs (but using what is better in PvE so perf friars).

If they don't wanna zerg they have no chance, even an opted trio can farm them (with the needed classes ofc) and you can't tell them stay with keep taking, casue maybe they find it dull.

There is no solution tho, don't think that some new BGs for opted or random grps could solve it.

you got a point there, but i think you also missed mine
i mean ofc can they go RvR with that equip but as they put effort in their pve templates, rvr guilds put effort in getting uber toa´d/MLs/high RR
so if pve ppl come to rvr and complain about those groups cuz they cant kill them is just hypocricy
at the end of the day everyone in daoc just cooks with water, if ppl get tired of getting owned by those opted groups there are 3 things they can do
a) get uber toa/MLs/high RR themself and give them even fights
b) get pissed and go back to pve
c) get pissed and cry like a noob

most choose b) or c) without even considering trying a) :/

 

[daoc_xianghua]

To have fair 8v8 on prydwen let maelstrom and pe and eclipse go to some little corner of snowdonia and fight each others there take turns and so on xD

I dunno why they find it fair to fight a group of Myrmidons and loller in vent when they own them in 5 seconds or when it comes 20 Myrmidons and roxstar them. or brehons or saltvaktens xD

its fair cuz they all choosed from same tools at character creation, those guilds you mentioned just managed to do it better than the rest = fair

 

[Chimaira]

its fair cuz they all choosed from same tools at character creation, those guilds you mentioned just managed to do it better than the rest = fair

You wouldnt say that if you where on the dmg receiving end of the battle every day in and out.

Quick rps aint fun rps though. Nothing like a fight when you win with a cleric standing with 2% hp rest dead 8v8.

I love 8v8 thats why I stayed with Lancelot cause the 8v8 was good, and the good players didnt screw up a fight. as on pryd anything that moves shalt die for Arthur or Odin etc

 

[Deepflame]

It's a game, not rl war, some ppl acually like "fair play" with no adding where both parts have a chance to win.

some ppl RvR for fun, not for Arthur the mighty king of albion !! :touch:

Arthur is dead btw, we have Constatine now.

Anyway, if you want fair play, go outside and take up a sport. Online games aren't exactly the best place for fair play. What, with people using hacks and cheats to win, having massive realm rank and equipment differences, etc.

I remember having to take half a group out once just to kill Jamiesmallicus at PoC, and half of us died anyway before we got him. That's 4 vs 1 and most of us still lost. Yeah, unfair to Jamie who got zerged? And our group wasn't even that bad, we had a paladin, a cleric, a theurgist and some other guy. I forgot what he was..

And that's just one example of what happens when RvR opted people run into RoG low RR people who don't regularly RvR. Those kinda players can take on 4 times as many of them and sometimes run off laughing. Had Jamie been buffed we would have all died.

 

[Killerbee]

you got a point there, but i think you also missed mine
i mean ofc can they go RvR with that equip but as they put effort in their pve templates, rvr guilds put effort in getting uber toa´d/MLs/high RR
so if pve ppl come to rvr and complain about those groups cuz they cant kill them is just hypocricy
at the end of the day everyone in daoc just cooks with water, if ppl get tired of getting owned by those opted groups there are 3 things they can do
a) get uber toa/MLs/high RR themself and give them even fights
b) get pissed and go back to pve
c) get pissed and cry like a noob

most choose b) or c) without even considering trying a) :/

You missed d) get pissed and zerg the whole area. And I find that justified zerg. Ofc Im whining about it in /g but in a friendly way, not really upset.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

You wouldnt say that if you where on the dmg receiving end of the battle every day in and out.

Quick rps aint fun rps though. Nothing like a fight when you win with a cleric standing with 2% hp rest dead 8v8.

I love 8v8 thats why I stayed with Lancelot cause the 8v8 was good, and the good players didnt screw up a fight. as on pryd anything that moves shalt die for Arthur or Odin etc

i have been on the boredom recieving end of the battle, how do you think its like when you put months of effort into getting uber toa equip + MLs + RR and 95% of the groups you meet log after you killed them 3rd time?
the guilds you mentioned before are more or less the only ones who dont do
(dont wanna offend anyone, there might be some more but usually guild groups only and i dont know anyone on this server by name so its mostly either pe, mael or randoms to me xD)
i can see your point there, i can imagine that it aint fun to run in rr8+ groups with randoms all the time but seriously in hib we make /as groups when not enuff ppl for guild groups available instead of inviting every random rr2 <insert useless class here>, maybe other realms should try that too, you gt atleast as much rr8+ ppl as hib if not even more so it should be np rly