Playstation 4

[MYstIC G]

Wow, Sony just kicked Microsoft in the balls

https://twitter.com/yosp/status/344357778288152576

 

[Zarjazz]

Cheaper. No restrictions on used games. No internet connection required to play. Region free. Trying not to screw over small indie developers.

I think that's M$ kicked in the balls so hard they can taste them.

 

[BloodOmen]

inb4 Microsoft announce lower price options.

 

[Embattle]

Cheaper. No restrictions on used games. No internet connection required to play. Region free. Trying not to screw over small indie developers.

I think that's M$ kicked in the balls so hard they can taste them.

I personally don't feel they've been hit that hard to be honest.

 

[BloodOmen]

I personally don't feel they've been hit that hard to be honest.

Xbox fans will still buy an Xbox and Playstation fans will still buy PS4

That said lets look at it like this

Xbox One - more expensive
Xbox One - second hand game restrictions
Xbox One - have to connect to the internet once a day
Xbox One - almost the same specs of the PS4 but still lower than the PS4 despite costing more

PS4 - costs less
PS4 - no second hand game restrictions
PS4 - do not have to connect to the internet
PS4 - more powerful than the Xbox One (even if the difference is minor its still more powerful and your paying less)

You'd have to be a hardcore Xbox fan or a dumb fuck to buy an Xbox One over a PS4 at this point.

 

[Raven]

They have been reemed.

Lower price, which means Little johnny will be getting one over an Xbox. Anyone with any sense will get a PS4 too as they are essentially like for like in performance anyway, or at least the games will be.

Used games available. Lots of consolers trade in their games when they have finished with them

No always on DRM shit. Not really a problem these days but it seems to upset a lot of people.

Lots of indie games (hopefully) most of these have better gameplay than "fancy graphics no content the revenge part 2" by EA.

Actual gaming instead of TV adverts.

It doesn't look like a betamax player.

 

[BloodOmen]

Side note - just watched Final Fantasy 15 trailer, my underpants have now shot across the room faster than a speeding bullet.

 

[leggy]

Pretty but didn't see much in the way of gameplay.

PS4 for me then and I'm fairly Xbox oriented.

 

[DaGaffer]

To be honest I didn't really give a toss about the forced connections and second hand games issue with the XBox; at least, not in practical terms (ethically, not so much), its the compulsory networked Kinect that gives me the heebie-jeebies, on general principles, but especially given the recent NSA revelations. I just don't trust anyone who has that kind of access not to use it at some stage.

 

[Embattle]

Xbox fans will still buy an Xbox and Playstation fans will still buy PS4

That said lets look at it like this

Xbox One - more expensive
Xbox One - second hand game restrictions
Xbox One - have to connect to the internet once a day
Xbox One - almost the same specs of the PS4 but still lower than the PS4 despite costing more

PS4 - costs less
PS4 - no second hand game restrictions
PS4 - do not have to connect to the internet
PS4 - more powerful than the Xbox One (even if the difference is minor its still more powerful and your paying less)

You'd have to be a hardcore Xbox fan or a dumb fuck to buy an Xbox One over a PS4 at this point.

Or like this:

Xbox One - Includes Kinect (Costs more)
Xbox One - Not default but publisher based
Xbox One - Generally online all the time any way
Xbox One - On Paper a tad weaker hardware wise

PS4 - Costs less
PS4 - No acknowledged restrictions at the moment
PS4 - Generally online all the time any way
PS4 - On paper a tad more powerful hardware wise

The first thing regarding price is a slight issue and I think MS should try and push it down to about £399 because that small drop in actual money has a bigger psychological effect.

The issue of second hand games personally isn't a big one for me since I've always kept my games any way, as for others I'm not sure many publishers who publish to both platforms will activate the MS feature and I'm expecting more people to shift to direct downloads on both platforms any way which in essence will mean no second hand selling any way.

The issue of being online is quite frankly is utter bollocks, any one who gets these consoles will generally always be online any way because they are being designed with that functionality in mind from the ground up and the assorted associated systems and software will benefit from being online.

The hardware specs on paper do give the advantage to the PS4 but the difference is likely to be tiny, even if a publisher does manage to get the maximum out of both consoles.

Personally I'm not going to buy either, I've had many consoles from the Atari 2600 onwards but in the early 90s I got in to PC gaming and while still buying consoles they've spent more and more time not being used until I decided to stop buying them after my Wii spent most of its time in a storage box. My dad got himself a PS2 and then a PS3 and if that breaks in the future then he might get a PS4 to replace it providing it has bomberman on it.

 

[BloodOmen]

Or like this:

Xbox One - Includes Kinect (Costs more)
Xbox One - Not default but publisher based
Xbox One - Generally online all the time any way
Xbox One - On Paper a tad weaker hardware wise

PS4 - Costs less
PS4 - No acknowledged restrictions at the moment
PS4 - Generally online all the time any way
PS4 - On paper a tad more powerful hardware wise

The first thing regarding price is a slight issue and I think MS should try and push it down to about £399 because that small drop in actual money has a bigger psychological effect.

The issue of second hand games personally isn't a big one for me since I've always kept my games any way, as for others I'm not sure many publishers who publish to both platforms will activate the MS feature and I'm expecting more people to shift to direct downloads on both platforms any way which in essence will mean no second hand selling any way.

The issue of being online is quite frankly is utter bollocks, any one who gets these consoles will generally always be online any way because they are being designed with that functionality in mind from the ground up and the assorted associated systems and software will benefit from being online.

The hardware specs on paper do give the advantage to the PS4 but the difference is likely to be tiny, even if a publisher does manage to get the maximum out of both consoles.

Personally I'm not going to buy either, I've had many consoles from the Atari 2600 onwards but in the early 90s I got in to PC gaming and while still buying consoles they've spent more and more time not being used until I decided to stop buying them after my Wii spent most of its time in a storage box. My dad got himself a PS2 and then a PS3 and if that breaks in the future then he might get a PS4 to replace it providing it has bomberman on it.

Yes, but who wants Kinect? its shit. As for the restrictions Sony said at E3 there are no restrictions at all with used games, it'll function just like used games have been for the PS1, PS2, PS3.

 

[Embattle]

Yes, but who wants Kinect? its shit. As for the restrictions Sony said at E3 there are no restrictions at all with used games, it'll function just like used games have been for the PS1, PS2, PS3.

I trust Sony about as much as I trust Microsoft, both have had some shockers when it comes to customer issues from activation, data breaches, root kits, etc. As I already stated they will both push more towards the direct download root and this will make the whole second hand argument a moot point, POSA cards will over come people wanting to pay with cash in a store. To me it'll mainly be decided by your current console preference and the exclusives you'll want to play.

 

[Raven]

I trust Sony about as much as I trust Microsoft, both have had some shockers when it comes to customer issues from activation, data breaches, root kits, etc. As I already stated they will both push more towards the direct download root and this will make the whole second hand argument a moot point, POSA cards will over come people wanting to pay with cash in a store. To me it'll mainly be decided by your current console preference and the exclusives you'll want to play.

Yeah but Sony don't have a webcam recording whatever it is you are doing in your lounge/bedroom!

 

[BloodOmen]

I trust Sony about as much as I trust Microsoft, both have had some shockers when it comes to customer issues from activation, data breaches, root kits, etc. As I already stated they will both push more towards the direct download root and this will make the whole second hand argument a moot point, POSA cards will over come people wanting to pay with cash in a store. To me it'll mainly be decided by your current console preference and the exclusives you'll want to play.

 

[Aada]

A big factor for current Xbox users thinking about switching to PS4 are two things.

1. PSN is notorious for being rather crap for many reasons.
2. MS has exclusive DLC rights to almost every major game that releases, COD and now Fifa Ultimate team DLC.

I'll be getting PS4 since I don't like and never will like Kinect and forcing it down peoples throats is not a good thing.

 

[Raven]

There is also the matter of a monthly sub with the Xbox - which is rather self defeating.

I never really had a problem with PSN though I did only ever buy a few PSP games, it seemed straight forward enough. I wouldn't pay a sub to use a console as it's intended. Not unless it was some kind of rental deal where you get the console for free and pay a monthly contract. There was talk of that sort of thing a while back but not heard anything from Sony or MS about it.

 

[Embattle]

To play games online with the PS4 will require a PS+ subscription, so the same as the Xbox One in style and price.

 

[Aada]

There is also the matter of a monthly sub with the Xbox - which is rather self defeating.

I never really had a problem with PSN though I did only ever buy a few PSP games, it seemed straight forward enough. I wouldn't pay a sub to use a console as it's intended. Not unless it was some kind of rental deal where you get the console for free and pay a monthly contract. There was talk of that sort of thing a while back but not heard anything from Sony or MS about it.

You missed the quick mention of needing PS+ to play online on PS4

 

[BloodOmen]

yup, I'm fine with paying a sub to ps+ tho, less than $5 can't really complain.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

PS+ gives you far more rewards than just online gaming though. Doesn't it give you a free game every month, as well as other stuff? I don't know as I don't use it.

 

[Raven]

Didn't realise there was a price involved on PS4 too

 

[soze]

PS+ gives you far more rewards than just online gaming though. Doesn't it give you a free game every month, as well as other stuff? I don't know as I don't use it.

Yeah a free game every month that you can keep and play as long as you are a subscriber. Last month was Hitman Absolution so it is not just all Sony titles.

 

[Embattle]

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/10/4413668/xbox-live-gold-free-games-promotion-e3-2013

 

[BloodOmen]

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/10/4413668/xbox-live-gold-free-games-promotion-e3-2013

doesn't make up for the price difference and the xbox one being shitter in general.

 

[Aada]

Yeah PS+ is worth it. This month its XCOM and Uncharted 3

 

[megadave]

So which has superior hardware? Are they basically the same like the last gen? I couldn't really give a shit about all these features everyone is talking about. I especially don't understand why everyone is sucking Sony's dick over features that have always existed.

 

[Embattle]

The difference is tiny but on paper PS4 has the slight edge.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-sony-details-final-ps4-spec

 

[Embattle]

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/lets-take-a-closer-look-at-the-playstation-4-dualshock-4-and-p/

 

[Raven]

Yeah PS+ is worth it. This month its XCOM and Uncharted 3

What's the deal? Do you get the game to play for the month or is it permanent?

 

[Embattle]

http://kotaku.com/third-party-publishers-will-have-final-say-on-used-game-512643240