Petition nerf savage

[Sycho]

Stealth,chain armor,climb walls, stun,mezz,sos
Do i have to say more?

And no its not like a BD......

You ever rvred in hib/alb at lv50? mins isn't that overpowered as you say, maybe in 1vs1 but not in group rvr.... you are hit for 50-100 dmg WOW!

Want me to say what savages have compared to a minstrel?xD maybe you should take a look at mids backbone of support before complaining about what a minstrel has...

 

[cougar]

Hi cougar m8 xD

Give zerk a duel on excal!

yeah! il just get some slash claw

 

[Profion]

What is it whit mids support?

 

[Fadeh]

What is it whit mids support?

You havent realised what a uber class the healer is compared to all other support?

Oh and there is 3 healers in every mid group if you now didnt know that.

 

[Sycho]

Shaman is best support class in daoc i am sure even nolby pride players will agree, minstrel can't hit upto 1k damage a round...on tanks.As i said they are a strong class 1vs1 but in group rvr what is real good about them really? they can be good interupters if played good yes but in my view i would rather have a 2h sword troll skald... if you do not include sos of course.

If they nerfed savages yes midgard would be equal to alb kind of but ra's would make albs win however at the moment if you got NO sos or bof up and a good savage group comes, you will not win at all, maybe like 2% chance or so.

They need a nerf in frontiers or people will quit trying to fight savages with 3xbof isn't right if they stay at their current state.

 

[cougar]

Shaman is best support class in daoc i am sure even nolby pride players will agree,

midgard is easy mode atm but its still more up to what guild is more dedicated to win in rvr then realm balance, thats why alb > mid on pryd and mid > all on exc

 

[Chimaira]

Remish 2 shotting me with BoF down.

2250 Hp merc with spec af.

yes they need to be toned down.

 

[Ilum]

midgard is easy mode atm but its still more up to what guild is more dedicated to win in rvr then realm balance, thats why alb > mid on pryd and mid > all on exc

I agree with this. That's why I say they should be _toned_ down. Not really nerfed, just a bit. And sure, Frontiers is 6 months ahead, and change in this game is a slow process. Atleast the good reforms in the right direction. Changes that fuck up entirely like buff shearing happens over night. I really wish Mythic would balance with small steps in the right direction, rather than giant leaps blindfolded.

 

[constanze]

What is it whit mids support?

well i readed in the radio mid healers can selfrezz (get 3 of them run oom die at next random enemy use selfrezz and voila full hp and mana again -> leads to killing healers upto 5 times + in a fight)

want to see your face if paladins would get ae insta stun/mezz

btw our realm´s cc wears cloth -> hello savage

 

[remi]

amagad such whine. what makes a mid group soo "strong" is thier backbone of group, not the "nerfed" savages.

a good backbone(healers ,shammy, skald) could take 3 of whatever classes and still gank everything.

 

[Corran]

ok remish. Go get your guild to drop the savages/warriors and run with 3 thanes maybe?

 

[Morchaoron]

amagad such whine. what makes a mid group soo "strong" is thier backbone of group, not the "nerfed" savages.

a good backbone(healers ,shammy, skald) could take 3 of whatever classes and still gank everything.

i dont play anymore but remi convinced me to sign it anyway

/signed

 

[remi]

ok remish. Go get your guild to drop the savages/warriors and run with 3 thanes maybe?

2zerks, 1 warr, would you die "slower"? (no.)




edit: 3 thanes....3x grapple and nuke ...

 

[Ilum]

2zerks, 1 warr, would you die "slower"? (no.)




edit: 3 thanes....3x grapple and nuke ...

Hm...I think you wouldn't perform as well with zerks really. If you want to prove it, you can invite a couple of high realm rank zerkers to play with Maelstrom an evening and see how it goes...personally, I think you're gonna miss:

a) Self endurance regen
b) Advanced Evade 4 + evade shout
c) Melee resist shouts
d) Quads
e) Self haste shout
f) Self damage shout

It's all a trade-off, but in the end I tihnk you'll discover an overall decrease in performance. What you wouldnt miss:

a) Not having prevent flight
b) Healers having to heal the savagery shouts.
c) Zerach






ololols m8s, im only kidding about c). Zerach is a cool guy . But anyway, back to being serious...

Wanna try?

 

[Morchaoron]

Stealth,chain armor,climb walls, stun,mezz,sos
Do i have to say more?

And no its not like a BD......

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

if i minstrel is so l33t then why dont we have 3 or 4 (or even 2) in each group?

or are you a non-stealth soloer?

 

[Killerbee]

They need a nerf in frontiers or people will quit trying to fight savages with 3xbof isn't right if they stay at their current state.

I think Frontiers is rather caster friendly, so we surely will kick our svg if we still play then.

 

[remi]

Hm...I think you wouldn't perform as well with zerks really. If you want to prove it, you can invite a couple of high realm rank zerkers to play with Maelstrom an evening and see how it goes...personally, I think you're gonna miss:

a) Self endurance regen
b) Advanced Evade 4 + evade shout
c) Melee resist shouts
d) Quads
e) Self haste shout
f) Self damage shout

It's all a trade-off, but in the end I tihnk you'll discover an overall decrease in performance. What you wouldnt miss:

a) Not having prevent flight
b) Healers having to heal the savagery shouts.

Wanna try?

a) Quads? lols...havnt seen one in 1 month~~

b) melee resist? - dont really have such deathwish ;d

c) haste shout......toa haste + haste bot on zerk (+celerity..)= erm...cant get any faster

d) end shout - using end shout the most when i sprint after some wannabe-kiteing caster, prevent flight...(endpots~)

e) dmg shout - oke, i would miss this one

 

[Ilum]

a) Quads? lols...havnt seen one in 1 month~~

b) melee resist? - dont really have such deathwish ;d

c) haste shout......toa haste + haste bot on zerk (+celerity..)= erm...cant get any faster

d) end shout - using end shout the most when i sprint after some wannabe-kiteing caster, prevent flight...(endpots~)

e) dmg shout - oke, i would miss this one

Go ahead then, prove me wrong I would enjoy it.

 

[Xxcalibur]

i have to agree ilum ...

He is right tbh.

 

[Sycho]

Ilum don't give remish ideas xEEEEE

Dps buff is bugged on savage, remish hasn't said that yet ^^ no wonder he misses it xDDDDD

Zerk group can be very very good if played well...and very very deadly xE

Do not underestimate it remish ;ddddddddd

 

[Chimaira]

Less D letters in your post sycho :E

 

[Sycho]

http://hometown.aol.com/melissica257/myhomepage/fan.html

1617 dmg for an anytime style :eek2:

 

[Sycho]

Oh and by the way, with frontiers coming i think the best way mythic can fix light tanks is this:

-Remove quads completely but leave triples there at 10% chance or so.
-Fix the savage dps buff.
-Make bm/merc always dual swing.
-Give zerk vendo mode improvement, maybe ap1-2 when used.
-Leave dualist reflexes ra in frontiers, makes zerk la damage very nice.
-Give zerks flurry and rework a few la styles.


I know not all savages can hit that and it's once in a blue moon damage but still no melee class should hit that damage especially at that delay, i know infs pa hard i been on the end of them many times and have been hit 1k dmg even by sbs too then again, but tank hitting 800-1k at 1.5s or near it needs sorting, no this not bullshit if any mid wants a go on my merc that i feel like i can trust for one night go ahead and see what i mean.

Of course there's other factors that need to be worked on between merc/bm/savage/zerk but i am just saying the main ones above need working or some sort of similar improvement, i have to say zerk/merc have worst off abilities of the four classes(played them all for a fair amount of time now) but lets hope mythic can maybe adjust some things when it comes because if they do not, it's really unfair with those ra changes.

 

[remi]

Oh and by the way, with frontiers coming i think the best way mythic can fix light tanks is this:

-Remove quads completely but leave triples there at 10% chance or so.
-Fix the savage dps buff.
-Make bm/merc always dual swing.
-Give zerk vendo mode improvement, maybe ap1-2 when used.
-Leave dualist reflexes ra in frontiers, makes zerk la damage very nice.
-Give zerks flurry and rework a few la styles.


I know not all savages can hit that and it's once in a blue moon damage but still no melee class should hit that damage especially at that delay, i know infs pa hard i been on the end of them many times and have been hit 1k dmg even by sbs too then again, but tank hitting 800-1k at 1.5s or near it needs sorting, no this not bullshit if any mid wants a go on my merc that i feel like i can trust for one night go ahead and see what i mean.

Of course there's other factors that need to be worked on between merc/bm/savage/zerk but i am just saying the main ones above need working or some sort of similar improvement, i have to say zerk/merc have worst off abilities of the four classes(played them all for a fair amount of time now) but lets hope mythic can maybe adjust some things when it comes because if they do not, it's really unfair with those ra changes.

quads are removed~~, whenever i get a "huge" hit, i dont use haste.(for fronload dmg)

ive seen a screenshot of you hitting some mid for 800dmg+?


less wajn form jo mistar sycho

 

[Fadeh]

Isnt 800dmg a low hit for you remish?

 

[Sycho]

quads are removed~~, whenever i get a "huge" hit, i dont use haste.(for fronload dmg)

ive seen a screenshot of you hitting some mid for 800dmg+?


less wajn form jo mistar sycho

Yeah and?

I played a savage and i was hitting for 500-1200.

My merc max hit ever is 847 damage on a savage, with str relics i could hit like 50% of a damage a savage can hit with str relics, infact i think all mercs could, i am not whining i am stating true facts, i remember you hitting me 900 or something last time i rvred then zerach hitting similar damage.

But mercs/bms/zerks should hit hard in my view and savage should be a mix of defence/offence at a decent lv but sadly it has both at a high lv, bet if you use slash resists shout no merc can hit you 600+ without a good crit...mercs without str relics damage isn't that great, it's normal but then again i haven't completed my toa sc yet sh and that 1 shot in cabalist movie is silly...if that's not overpowered then what is?

 

[Dracus]

yada

So what ur sayin is u want light tanks to be better?...im sry but ROFL! savage is too good, i agree...but make light tanks better?!?! cause theyre not good enuff?... how bout fixin the tanks/hybrids that cant attack with 2 weaps every 1.5s and do 300+ dmg...sheesh :touch:

/Dracus

 

[Sycho]

So what ur sayin is u want light tanks to be better?...im sry but ROFL! savage is too good, i agree...but make light tanks better?!?! cause theyre not good enuff?... how bout fixin the tanks/hybrids that cant attack with 2 weaps every 1.5s and do 300+ dmg...sheesh :touch:

/Dracus

I am not saying make light tanks better just adjust the things i said in previous post, i am saying they should do good damage which they currently do but a savage shouldn't hit for fuckloads more.

With frontiers coming i think reavers/valewalkers will be in a similar line savages are in now, if you want me to post a list of current fixes they should implement with hybrids i could do several pages of it but i can't be arsed, i know how bad thanes have it, i have played mid over a year now.Hybrids need some loving yes but i was just stating the other 3 light tanks compared to a savage are mediocre and savage needs to be brought inline with them when frontiers come for the better of all realms even mids so it enables them to group other tanks.

For example my highest growth rate style is 1.05, savage highest growth rate is 1.45 BEFORE it's dps buff...

 

[Dracus]

on a side note...u got a link to a good page with growth rates?

/Dracus

 

[Sycho]

http://daoc.nisrv.com/modules.php?name=Weapon_Style_Faq

Don't think it's quite upto date, but i can find the french one with current ones, although not sure if you can read french, i can't myself but some have changed slightly, i.e backslash is 0.85 now it's 0.90 there or so i think? and ragnarok is slightly more.

Will look for french one on VN boards and post it here if i find it.Savage ones are missing from there xE but are on french version.