Petition nerf savage
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Saggy said:Yes, and in group RvR he probably would have BG, right?My point being that too many things affects on how things goes in group RvR so saying Class X > 3 players is kinda silly, he is getting help in a way or another
It's happened often there's no point denying it.
If people do they usually lie or full of crap.
I give an example: go emain.
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by remish!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by remish!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by remish!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by remish!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by remish!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by remish!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by bibi!
That's an example, maybe sometimes the savage is helped, sometimes it doesn't need it, hps can go before you blink, good player playing savage= is an example of this.
I am sure if remish is honest he would agree that he can take down targets with no assist fairly fast if they aren't bodyguarded/shielded/guarded.
Guard and Bodyguard are part of the group RvR like healing, debuffing, interupting and stuff - Or should we say that Spirit Cabby could take 3 enemies down fairly fast if he isn't interupted/attacked?Sycho said:
I'm not trying to say that Savages dont need a nerf, just saying I dont understand and agree with your logic here
Sure, I've seen that fairly many times, same can be said for some PBAE spam. Remish could do that when he is the only one who isn't afk (well, Bibi coming back from afk in the endSycho said:
) ? Like I said, in group RvR you are getting help in a way or another, may that help be buffs, interupting, guarding, bodyguarding etc, so saying Class X > 3 players in group RvR is kinda silly Saggy said:Guard and Bodyguard are part of the group RvR like healing, debuffing, interupting and stuff - Or should we say that Spirit Cabby could take 3 enemies down fairly fast if he isn't interupted/attacked?
I'm not trying to say that Savages dont need a nerf, just saying I dont understand and agree with your logic here
Sure, I've seen that fairly many times, same can be said for some PBAE spam. Remish could do that when he is the only one who isn't afk (well, Bibi coming back from afk in the end
Sigh.
I mean savages do not need assist, they can take down targets at insane speed with str relics,what the hell has helping got to do with this? every player is buffed anyway more or less.You can interupt a caba and prevent him from taking down multi enemies in seconds, good luck stopping a good savage unless the pala rocks...
Still though comparing a caster with debuffs to a class that can constantly outhit any other tank is silly and pointless.Comparing a savage to a zerk/merc/bm in group rvr and you will see a lot of difference.Lucky mumin doesn't play pryd tbh...
Aha! You should have said that earlier ;p Silly spamming, imo! ;pSycho said:
->My reply (dunno how to use quotes well in hereSycho said:
)And to your reply ->Saggy said:Yes, and in group RvR he probably would have BG, right?
In the other words you are saying that Savage without any kind of help > 3 players in group RvR, no?Sycho said:
Again, I'm not saying that Savages dont need a nerf nor I'm I saying they are in same level with Merc/Zerk/BM. I'm just saying Savage isn't the only class who can kill stuff with insane speed in group RvR when played right. My point is summed up in my first post:Sycho said:
Idea of 1vs3 simply doesn't fit in group RvR because of the reason above - you are always getting some kind of help (this is "what the hell" helping got to do with this). This is where you should have reply and say that you mean /assisting, not helping in general like what I meant and clearly pointed out ;p And again, since you disagreed with my comment above you are claimed that Savage doesn't need heals, mezz, interupting etc help to kill stuff fast, right? Because of these claims...Sycho said:I believe there is plenty of class's able to take down 3 enemies in group RvR though with the help of group members (healing, mezzing, interupting etc)
... I read this that only help Remish would need to take bodyguarded/shielded/guarded targets down is /assisting.Sycho said:
And yes, I agree that a well played Savage can do enough damage to take down 3 enemies fast in group RvR - not alone and thus not >3 but as the only damage dealer against those 3 enemies ;p
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Thats so true.... but when these guys aint out , and PE are running around its usually something like this :Sycho said:
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by faderullan!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by faderullan!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by faderullan!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by dreami!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by dreami!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by faderullan!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by dreami!
etc ^^
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Compairing savages to a spirit cabby is just sily.
A caster can be interupted, nearsighed, etc.
A savage cant be interupted exept with root and mezz, hes a melee class, he can stil fight back if he is geting hit, thats something a caster cant do.
And with the insane ToA items, the root and mezz last a few seconds, then the savage is back to taking 90% of a buffed scouts HP with 1 hit, and 2shoting pallys.
And the savage has the self buff thingys, that last for 30 secs or so, giving him increased resistance, dmg add, and dmg shield and stuff like that...
A caster can be interupted, nearsighed, etc.
A savage cant be interupted exept with root and mezz, hes a melee class, he can stil fight back if he is geting hit, thats something a caster cant do.
And with the insane ToA items, the root and mezz last a few seconds, then the savage is back to taking 90% of a buffed scouts HP with 1 hit, and 2shoting pallys.
And the savage has the self buff thingys, that last for 30 secs or so, giving him increased resistance, dmg add, and dmg shield and stuff like that...
First of all, if you are refering to my posts that is, I'm not comparing Savage's to Spirit Cabbys directly, just pointing out that Savage isn't the only class that is able to dish out insane damage very fast when played well. Secondly, caster can fight while tank is on him, that's called MoC/Guard/Bodyguard.Amuse said:
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cool, we get to keel stuff when we use an ability every 30 mins or rely on other players. Ya that's the same with savages really. ~~
Its not the same with Savages, nothing like it, but point being whether you get helped by heals, assisting, guarding, bodyguarding, mezzing, interupting, you name it, doesn't change the fact that 1vs3 simply doesn't fit in group RvR and thus you can't say that Class X > 3 enemies in group RvR. (Hint: That actually means that even Savages have to rely on other players in a way or another Oo.)Tareregion said:
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GimpStrole said:Thats so true.... but when these guys aint out , and PE are running around its usually something like this :
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by faderullan!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by faderullan!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by faderullan!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by dreami!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by dreami!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by faderullan!
xxxxxxxxxxxxx was just killed by dreami!
etc ^^
Wow yea 2 rr10 mercs killing people good call! :l
