Petition about RA's for Mincer in Frontier

[Morthomme]

To stay on topic: this petition sums up the problems for Minstrels with the new RA system pretty well. If some people bothered to read before starting to whine they would have less reason to Do the Weepies.

With RA's a minstrels could at least try to make up for the lack of defense and/or enhance weapondamage. The proposed system takes most of them away - in return for watered down caster damage and an AM that wil only work for the group. No logic in that...

Minstrels, sign that petition.

 

[Drav]

all a mincer has to do is shout mincer lfg and he got a grp nearly straight away and would prolly get multiple invites. never happens as a friar so who needs ra boost the most? if u still think mincers then u are clueless

Same for an arms as well m8 with det nerf we're screwed to.

 

[Flimgoblin]

every single class gets a nerf with the new RAs...

try not to think about what abilities you're losing but how the thing works - I like the way the costs are set up with the active abilities - and the removal of the prerequisites means there's a lot more choice at lower RRs.

Higher RRs will probably still end up being cookie cuttered though.

 

[Eeben]

and mincers have SUCH A HARD TIME getting a rvr group NOT!!

i dont care if im uber or a gimp .. all i want is summin that would allow me to get RVR grps.. no det = NO GROUP .. unless a gg or a random grp full of friars/matter cabbys and necros and a smite cleric

no i.p or dodger would make us suck 1v1 .
no det doesnt get us in a decent or even a 1/2 decent rvr grp .

i suposse friars can sit at atk all day n watch the dm's and maybe twat a mid or hib or 2 that comes to atk to suicide.

all a mincer has to do is shout mincer lfg and he got a grp nearly straight away and would prolly get multiple invites. never happens as a friar so who needs ra boost the most? if u still think mincers then u are clueless

hmmm.... Maybe if u are rr6+ its easy to get groups as mincer but not if u are only rr3... i have been at atk yelling an spaming cg : MINCER LFG but still no groups....

 

[Asha]

every single class gets a nerf with the new RAs...

try not to think about what abilities you're losing but how the thing works - I like the way the costs are set up with the active abilities - and the removal of the prerequisites means there's a lot more choice at lower RRs.

Higher RRs will probably still end up being cookie cuttered though.

totally do not agree
albs are getting hit harder because we have better RAs
maybe you can say hibs are w/loss of GP BUT with new moc and new purge and new det, dunno if it's an issue.
when you start to look at what we lose it's not fun :/
FH is one that no one is whining about. That combined with the fact that our second healer isn't allowed det when he is melee...and with buff shears coming in ... it sucks.

And I dont like that they are making everything almost the same. The same artifacts and Mlvls, and the same RAs... yet we still don't get the same freaking basic skills...k I am whining now

 

[Drav]

Gotta say kind of agree with Asha here, us Albs are gonna get farmed to hell if we aint rr8+...

Plus with Warriors and Heros getting soldiers Barricade now it means our own groups are gonna be gimped by an RA that was armsman only and was the only real group RA that an armsman could buy. Then with the det nerf how the hell am I supposed to get groups??

Oooh he can run with an xbow for 60 secs!!!

Yeah major groupage for that little gem.

Frontiers was supposed to be the bright light after the annoyance that ToA can be, but now it seems the game is down to whose the next fotm, flip a coin, and hope that you win thru, rather than skill and intelligence and strategy.

It'll be a laugh bashing down keep walls until MEO arrives.

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

no1 IMO got shafted more than friars .

all alb classes that can spec melee (apart from minc/inf) for det . EVEN scouts are gerrin det... which leaves friar as only melee spec class UNABLE to get det which IMO sucks ass.... friars have been excluded from grps since det was introduced as it is . no we never gonna get grps cos we stil aint got det....

take away ip . take away dodger. take away aom and other stuff. but ffs give me summin that actually makes me viable in a grp! DET being what i would like most.

 

[Moo]

and there you have just given the reason why your being nerfed.

can't have the best of both worlds, you can't be supreme at everything

minstrels at the moment are awesome soloers and awesome group characters

and btw i have a minstrel also and so i have seen first hand the reasons why mythic are making these changes.

minstrels are still a fine class, stop whining.

supreme? lol

we are OK soloers and OK group members - jack of all trades master of none.

sure we can do a lot of stuff but its all shit compared to whatever class is specialized. Sure we can stealth and solo but not even in comparason to an archer or assasin. Sure we can group but we're essentially speed bots. Sure we can have a pet but in a very sucky way that means u gotta twist and if it resists it attacks u and u run out of end from constantly twisting. Sure we can AE mezz but a shit ass 30 sec crap with 5 sec cast. Just about the only thing we can do that no one else can do better right now is ablative chant - and thats only becuase they dont have it, -70 dmg every 6 secs sure it helps but its no godmode lol... talk to the savages / bds / chanters / healers about godmode plz u wont find it here.

If we're just support then we're shit ass crap support. If we're just soloers then we're shit ass crap soloers.

 

[[NO]Magmatic]

Hmm, I see Sunwolf take down pretty much any class, although buffed savages? ... But, I dont think many classes deserved the nerfs from Fronteirs... I still cant get over the silly caster nerfs...

When I look at Friars and Minstrels though, all the good things they had going for them got nerfed...
Which probably means they got nerfed even more then little old me, and I was already contemplating /quit when fronteirs arrived... Oohwell, lets hope that it a. gets changed, or b. a good mmorpg game gets in the meantime...

 

[Asha]

we are OK soloers and OK group members - jack of all trades master of none.

what game are you playing moo? lol

sure we can do a lot of stuff but its all shit compared to whatever class is specialized. Sure we can stealth and solo but not even in comparason to an archer or assasin.

no you just have insta stun and a nice mez and speed and CHAIN so you can get out of most sticky situations...

Sure we can group but we're essentially speed bots.

the mincers I play with aren't speed bots ... they do about 10 different jobs in a group.

Sure we can have a pet but in a very sucky way that means u gotta twist and if it resists it attacks u and u run out of end from constantly twisting.

you can have the highest pets in the game! If you're in a group, you can pick one up and fight while petting things. You're the only stealther with speed, chain, mez, insta stun, sos, decent pets, ablatives ... and you want more?

Sure we can AE mezz but a shit ass 30 sec crap with 5 sec cast. Just about the only thing we can do that no one else can do better right now is ablative chant - and thats only becuase they dont have it, -70 dmg every 6 secs sure it helps but its no godmode lol... talk to the savages / bds / chanters / healers about godmode plz u wont find it here

If we're just support then we're shit ass crap support. If we're just soloers then we're shit ass crap soloers.

Minstrels are one of the best support classes of the game, maybe second to healers. You can demez, you can interupt like a bitch, you can supply power plus all of the above. Maybe you should watch some movies and see what a minstrel can do - normal groups, stealth groups, or yes, solo. Or maybe try playing another class with a good mincer if you think mincers are so crap.

 

[Vodkafairy]

totally do not agree
albs are getting hit harder because we have better RAs
maybe you can say hibs are w/loss of GP BUT with new moc and new purge and new det, dunno if it's an issue.
when you start to look at what we lose it's not fun :/
FH is one that no one is whining about. That combined with the fact that our second healer isn't allowed det when he is melee...and with buff shears coming in ... it sucks.

And I dont like that they are making everything almost the same. The same artifacts and Mlvls, and the same RAs... yet we still don't get the same freaking basic skills...k I am whining now

overall alb might lose the most out of the RA review, but what about us "battlebards"?

lose ip, am, mob, dodger

more expensive purge

but hey we get a RACE SHAPESHIFT! god, a disabled half ogre could come up with something better than that :|

most likely all insta CC will be removed aswell

to summarise, the class will completely die for people who want to play it like me

maybe it needed some nerfs, i dont know, but only two people actively play a solo bard on excal so it's not like "fotm" minstrels- even tho their ra's will be a joke aswell, it was never needed to nerf them that hard

currently i have 9 tricks to win a fight, it will be changed into purge and zephyr only.. wee.. maybe phaseshift to make the enemy go ooe before the fight starts

 

[Asha]

vf you made me laugh

I honestly can't tell if you're taking the piss or are deadly serious ^^

 

[Vodkafairy]

vf you made me laugh

I honestly can't tell if you're taking the piss or are deadly serious ^^

mission accomplished then

nah i like bard in rvr, it makes me laugh so often and it's a shame they're going to nerf it to bits, but I'll find something new

 

[Aussie]

EVEN scouts are gerrin det... .

actually it makes more sence then reaver and palies getting determ.
no spells, no powerbar, pure melee class.

 

[Asha]

there isn't much difference in casting a dd and shooting an arrow in daoc

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

actually it makes more sence then reaver and palies getting determ.
no spells, no powerbar, pure melee class.

scouts need det a LOT less than a friar/pally/reaver .. scouts can easly solo due to stealth . +they can do dmge from long distance . makes LOT more common sense to give it to melee classes with no stealth than to stealthers jsut to make the viable more for rvr grps.


i still got my fingers crossed cos im sure it was some sorta of mistake . we got a new team lead which i hope will get summin sorted for us friars cos atm future aint looking good.

 

[Gordonax]

Minstrels are one of the best support classes of the game, maybe second to healers. You can demez, you can interupt like a bitch, you can supply power plus all of the above.

I have to do something I rarely do, and agree completely with Asha

 

[Asha]

oi oi oi



forget scouts... WARDENS get det and not friars is the real joke

 

[Lejemorder]

oi oi oi



forget scouts... WARDENS get det and not friars is the real joke

try use that against hibs and they begin to whine over there warden cant hit as hard as friars, cant solo reds mobs etc. but they get RvR grps http://www.prydwen.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14306

fun how hibs whine over an albs class want to a nice RA and there reply with we r good in PvE

 

[Ogen]

I cant see the point in making albion even weaker then we are allready.. So tired of being killed on my pally with 1000+ AF and 2000+ hit points, in 2 strikes from a berserker.. Nerf Hib and mid instead so we get equal.. IMO..

 

[Vodkafairy]

I cant see the point in making albion even weaker then we are allready.. So tired of being killed on my pally with 1000+ AF and 2000+ hit points, in 2 strikes from a berserker.. Nerf Hib and mid instead so we get equal.. IMO..

rrrrrrrrrrright

 

[Raven]

most mincers are just stun/mez/speed pets for infils anyway so it is still a boost more than anything. It will also give your normal full groups (if any exist on excal) a slight boost too so stop whining

 

[Asha]

looking at excali top 20 that isn't true
vivi, sunwolf, edelia, filip, maz, the others I dont' know well, but I see most them grouping all the time.
alpha doesn't group but he doesn't group infils either afaik

 

[Vodkafairy]

looking at excali top 20 that isn't true
vivi, sunwolf, edelia, filip, maz, the others I dont' know well, but I see most them grouping all the time.
alpha doesn't group but he doesn't group infils either afaik

he's a leech maniac now tho

 

[Raven]

well no it was a bit of a sweeping statement but most mincers group in some way whether its stealther groups or "normal" groups so its a boost for albion groups and will pretty much kill stealth wars as Albion will be even more over powered in that area. essentially an alb stealth group will have ranged debuffs/snares/mez/dots/dds group healing and group speed oh and pets.
imo AM should be given to another alb class rather than a mincer

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

most mincers are just stun/mez/speed pets for infils anyway so it is still a boost more than anything. It will also give your normal full groups (if any exist on excal) a slight boost too so stop whining

some of those mongs on pryd.net are complete fucktards and im glad they dont play excal, ffs one mong saying friars should stick to being a support class... obviously never tried to spec rejuv then all we get is a crappy HoT that isnt even worth mentioning and umm err thats it actually.. so great i can run around and spam Grp HoT and watch them die 0.0002 secs slower than normal Friars have staff for one simple reason, theyre rejuv sucks plain and simple, it IS THE worst secondary healer line in the game, it doesnt even compare to shaman or warden lines.. so we spec staff because we have nothing else...we augment ourselves with enhance because we have nothing else.. ergo we HAVE to solo type spec, there IS NOTHING else to spec.. they take away IP....fine i never used it anyway....they take away Dodger,...great now im a gimp with MoParry 2 that will only work well in PvE fine i suppose... but give me something to make up for it...give me studded armor..give me ANYTHING..but dont take away ALL my defensive RA's and leave me fucking MOPARRY which is the biggest pile of rocking horse shit in the game when it comes to RvR...oh but wait im a suport class i can always heal right? WRONG? but i can still get grps as a backup healer... maybe once every 3 months a grp will take me in as a backup healer because theyre just bored of waiting for a REAL class to join theyre RvR grp.... yey...so thanks mythic for making such a detailed and balanced RA proposal.. thank you for alienating 80% of your player base with ridiculous Proposals that show how little you clearly grasp your own game mechanics and how classes HAVE to use RA's like Dodger/IP/AoM and others to make up for YOUR weaknesses and fundamental flaws (not even going into STR as a raising stat) and most of all thank you for fucking over 30 days played time on the only class i enjoyed to be relegated to the equivalent of the fat kid at the school football team who never gets picked and gets left on thew sideline ALL the time.
Bravo Mythic may your ignorance and capitalist business model rule forever!! here take my lunch money while your at it...youv'e taken everything else from me...might aswell have this too.

 

[Lethul]

some of those mongs on pryd.net are complete fucktards and im glad they dont play excal

there i realised this would be another crap post

and if you do sort out your facts you will se that friar rejuv line or whatever its called is better at healing than warden.

Friar:
Minor Heal 1 3 5 8 11 14 18 23 29 37 47 6 HP
Heal 4 6 9 12 16 21 27 31 36 46
Resurrection 10
Minor Group Heal 15 25 35 45

Rejuvenation Specialization - Rejuvenation Spec.
Major Heal 5 8 11 14 18 25 33 43
Cure Poison 6
Cure Disease 7
Resurrection 15
Heal over Time (Group) 24 34 44

Warden:
Minor Heal 1 3 5 8 11 14 18 23 29 37 47 6 HP
Heal 4 6 9 12 16 21 27 31 36 46
Resurrection 10
Minor Group Heal 15 25 35 45

Regrowth Specialization - Regrowth Spec.
Fatigue Regen (Self, Chant) 2
Major Heal 5 8 11 15 20 26 33 42
Buff (Self, Health Regen) 6 14 25 35 45
Fatigue Reduction (Self) 12 22 32 41
Resurrection 16

But aaaaaanyway

Shaman:
Minor Heal 1 3 5 8 11 14 18 23 29 37 47 6 HP
Heal 4 6 9 12 16 21 27 31 36 46
Resurrection 10
Minor Group Heal 15 25 35 45

Mending Specialization - Mending Spec.
Major Heal 5 8 11 14 18 25 33 42
Cure Disease 6
Cure Poison 7
Buff (Health Regen) 9 12 16 21 27 32 43
Buff (Health Regen, Group) 26 35 46
Resurrection 15

Now friar and shaman is quite similar, but i belive (not sure) that friar hot is better. Atleast if friar hot works like menta hot and not like friggs.

 

[Asha]

Friars have staff for one simple reason, theyre rejuv sucks plain and simple, it IS THE worst secondary healer line in the game, it doesnt even compare to shaman or warden lines..

uhhhhhh
you should just stop really, you're not helping your cause by posting

 

[Vodkafairy]

my ns has a spells too for a reason, my melee is teh suq!11

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

Now friar and shaman is quite similar, but i belive (not sure) that friar hot is better. Atleast if friar hot works like menta hot and not like friggs.

Friggs > Grp HoT on soo many lvls

and umm yes, well as a secondary healer Wardens not only get PBT, Caster Speed amongst other things.. Shamans get to be the Best buffers in Mid and Friars get......nothing... Friars are at the bottom of the heap as the realms secondary healers for soo many reasons..but had u actually played a friar you would know that, and also that a life xfer cabby can heal better than me... /sigh so many ignoramus FOTM players..go play with your savage/ranger whatever FOTM you feel you need to play to feel uber, there are many classes that require FIXING with fundamental flaws but you still whine about frickin AM not affecting you...puuuhlease...give me DEX instead of STR as a rising stat, give me a Rejuv line that is WORTH speccing into.. sort out my fucked up styles that just dont make sense, then whine about losing your precious Ra's
and for the record friar HoT works NOTHING near the Hib version, its substandard in Every way.