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cHodAX
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Thadius said:
He paid his wack over the course of 50 years and yet when he needs a life saving operation they tell him he can wait 6 months. At the end of the day he didn't recieve anything he hadn't already paid for, it is not theft if you have paid.
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Dukat said:
The NHS only has waiting lists because consultants and surgeons keep it that way, they have plenty of spare time to see private patients at £150 for 15 minutes but if you try to get an NHS appointment you wait 4 months. Now what would happen if they were barred from seeing private patients? They would have more time to see the patients the NHS has already been paying them for. The problem is that we already have a 2 tier health system and the poor bastards that are relying on thier tax/insurance payments for treatment are very definately on the bottom rung of the ladder.
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Sparx said:
Nope, total opposite. Scrap private health care altogether and fund the NHS properly through a seperate and transparent direct taxation. Of course for this to work the NHS needs to be totally overhauled, the amount of wastage in the system at the moment is disgusting and there are far too many administrators riding the gray train as well. We need more medical staff, not 300,000 bleeding paper pushers.
For 30 years the NHS worked great, people were treated the moment they took ill. When we started fucking around and letting private enterprise into the system is when it all started to go tits up.
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actually you are wrong,cHodAX said:
my Uncle for example is a heart surgeon, he offered to work for free to get the waiting list down, but isnt allowed to simply because
a) there isnt the staff to support him as the hospitals have no money to pay them
b) he isnt allowed to work more than his quota (yay for beurocracy)
Now look at the other side of the fence, private
point a) you can employ nurses who dont work for the NHS
point b) there are no quota's, you can work as much as you want
Quite simply when you go private you pocket the cost of all the things required for a operation that is why it is quicker and easier
It is plain stupid and short sighted to assume doctors who do a fu***ng fantastic job under the conditions they are in the NHS are to blame as the vast majority of them are there to help people not line their pockets.
The guy should go to jail for abusing the system, if he isn't punished then you are opening the door for other people to abuse the system and the already stretched NHS will fall to pieces.
Removing private care will increase the work load on the NHS, and it will be in a worse state than it already is. Sorry to be brash but it is plain short sighted to think that is the solution as the doctors who want the money will simply go abroad and the ones left will have a bigger workload than they already do
At the end of they day you are saying its "ok" to be dishonest, he should go to jail for breaking the law as thats exactly what the law is, a set of rules who arent dependant on any form of discrimination
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And why are there not enough support staff in the NHS? Because the pay and conditions suck, primarily because too much money is being wasted on bringing in the private sector for things like cleaning, food, maintinance. Then of course you have you have the mountain of civil servants all doing overlapping jobs and only generating more red tape that bogs the system down even further.
Lets come back to the surgeons and consultants now. Why do they need support staff to hold clinics? You do know the backlog in the NHS waiting lists is down to clinic waiting times for consultation rather than actual actual waiting times for operations? Now I will speak from personal experiences, I have had 2 operations on my back in the last 7 years so I can tell you first hand where the system is falling down.
The first operation was with the NHS ;
7 days wait to see GP even though I was in excruiating pain.
Refered to consultant orthapedic surgeon, waiting time 3 months.
Consultant sends me for MRI scan, waiting time 2 months even though the scanner is 2 miles from my home and I am told that if I pay the £650 scanning fee privately they could book me in for 3 days time.
MRI done, 2 more months till I can get back in to the see the consultant.
Consulant diagnoses 2 prolapsed discs, recommends surgery.
Hospital calls to confirm operation booked for 2 weeks time.
Now here is what happened with private healthcare ;
Wait 4 days to see GP, he refered to same consultant and I was then told that the waiting list is 3 months. I informed his secretary that I had medical insurance and she told me that they can see me tomorrow. Cost £150 for 5 minute appointment but 2 months 29 days saved.
Consultant sees me next day and arranges an MRI for that same afternoon. Cost £700 this time but 10 weeks saved.
MRI is back and analysed in 3 days, I return to consultant and he confirms that I have another damaged disc in lumbar region of my back. Recommends another operation urgently as I am suffering nerve damage from the prolapsed discs and in extreme pain. Cost £150 and time saved 1 month 28 days.
Operation arranged at a BUPA hospital for 2 days time, cost £9000.
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Now where in that is the delay because of support staff? It doesn't exist, the consultant has plenty of time to see private patients because he is only holding 1 afternoon clinic a week for NHS patients. Funnily enough he has time for 3 morning clinics and 3 evening clinics every week privately. Consultation doesn't require any support staff apart from a secretary, the NHS waiting list is being artificially generated by consultant so that people who are really desperate will fork out the private fees to jump the queue.
The whole system is a scam, if they are employed by the NHS they should only be allowed to do NHS work. Hell they get paid well enough for it, the average consultant in the north west makes £200,000 a year from NHS work alone. Now if they were NHS only, there would be plenty of times to hold clinics, the waiting lists would vanish in a matter of months and there would be a constant but steady flow of patients requiring surgery. With no waiting lists we don't need the vast army of admin staff, that leaves alot more money to improve pay and conditions for the people who deserve it most, the nurses and support staff.
It all boils down to this, the NHS is a state service, the moment private enterprise is allowed in the service starts to fall apart. Private enterprise is about profit so they drive the agenda. You create a system of haves and have nots, those who pay get first class treatment and those who can't get whatever is left. Consultants get very rich off this system because they know there are plenty of people who will pay when they are desperate even though they have already paid in direct taxation.
If you think otherwise that is fine, everyone is entitled to thier own opinion and I respect that but please accept the fact I have had first hand experience of the system as well and my opinions are based on things I have actually seen.
Lets come back to the surgeons and consultants now. Why do they need support staff to hold clinics? You do know the backlog in the NHS waiting lists is down to clinic waiting times for consultation rather than actual actual waiting times for operations? Now I will speak from personal experiences, I have had 2 operations on my back in the last 7 years so I can tell you first hand where the system is falling down.
The first operation was with the NHS ;
7 days wait to see GP even though I was in excruiating pain.
Refered to consultant orthapedic surgeon, waiting time 3 months.
Consultant sends me for MRI scan, waiting time 2 months even though the scanner is 2 miles from my home and I am told that if I pay the £650 scanning fee privately they could book me in for 3 days time.
MRI done, 2 more months till I can get back in to the see the consultant.
Consulant diagnoses 2 prolapsed discs, recommends surgery.
Hospital calls to confirm operation booked for 2 weeks time.
Now here is what happened with private healthcare ;
Wait 4 days to see GP, he refered to same consultant and I was then told that the waiting list is 3 months. I informed his secretary that I had medical insurance and she told me that they can see me tomorrow. Cost £150 for 5 minute appointment but 2 months 29 days saved.
Consultant sees me next day and arranges an MRI for that same afternoon. Cost £700 this time but 10 weeks saved.
MRI is back and analysed in 3 days, I return to consultant and he confirms that I have another damaged disc in lumbar region of my back. Recommends another operation urgently as I am suffering nerve damage from the prolapsed discs and in extreme pain. Cost £150 and time saved 1 month 28 days.
Operation arranged at a BUPA hospital for 2 days time, cost £9000.
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Now where in that is the delay because of support staff? It doesn't exist, the consultant has plenty of time to see private patients because he is only holding 1 afternoon clinic a week for NHS patients. Funnily enough he has time for 3 morning clinics and 3 evening clinics every week privately. Consultation doesn't require any support staff apart from a secretary, the NHS waiting list is being artificially generated by consultant so that people who are really desperate will fork out the private fees to jump the queue.
The whole system is a scam, if they are employed by the NHS they should only be allowed to do NHS work. Hell they get paid well enough for it, the average consultant in the north west makes £200,000 a year from NHS work alone. Now if they were NHS only, there would be plenty of times to hold clinics, the waiting lists would vanish in a matter of months and there would be a constant but steady flow of patients requiring surgery. With no waiting lists we don't need the vast army of admin staff, that leaves alot more money to improve pay and conditions for the people who deserve it most, the nurses and support staff.
It all boils down to this, the NHS is a state service, the moment private enterprise is allowed in the service starts to fall apart. Private enterprise is about profit so they drive the agenda. You create a system of haves and have nots, those who pay get first class treatment and those who can't get whatever is left. Consultants get very rich off this system because they know there are plenty of people who will pay when they are desperate even though they have already paid in direct taxation.
If you think otherwise that is fine, everyone is entitled to thier own opinion and I respect that but please accept the fact I have had first hand experience of the system as well and my opinions are based on things I have actually seen.
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cHodAX said:
But my parents and myself have all contributed tax to this, so therefore Its mine?
I already have to pay for prescription and my dentist, stuff I should be free getting anyway. Except the money has gone to the endless stream of illegal immigrants. Hell, I cant affrd a house or a flat of my own, but if you come over on the back on a Transit Van, you get a nice one in middle of the country!
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Thadius said:
No one should be taking out more than they put in but you have to realise that old fella paid 50 odd years of contributions. The monetary value of that is huge and all he needed was a £7000 operation. We aren't talking a triple heart bypass here. He wasn't given the option of making those tax and insurance contributions, he was forced and therefore he is completly entitled to get a service he has more than paid for.
As for the immigrants, I couldn't agree more matey. It is a fucking national tragedy that we will house economic immigrants but we won't house our young people who can't afford to get on the property ladder. If these people want to come to the UK then let them earn there keep and pay thier way, if they don't want to work then stick them on the next plane out of here.
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I'd do exactly the same tbh...
I've got two subluxing shoulders and i'm on the NHS waiting list, its 2 years per shoulder to have surgery on. Then another 4month physio. If i went private it'd cost me an arm and a leg and i'd wait like what, 3 weeks ? rich
But hey, if you've got the money why not ;p although this guy didn't. But good going!
I've got two subluxing shoulders and i'm on the NHS waiting list, its 2 years per shoulder to have surgery on. Then another 4month physio. If i went private it'd cost me an arm and a leg and i'd wait like what, 3 weeks ? rich
But hey, if you've got the money why not ;p although this guy didn't. But good going!