patchtime, dueltime

[Solid]

Hehe thanx Willow

Unsurprisingly every warrior I have duelled has been Axe spec, so 26% Slash resist, 3% Slash racial, 10% Slash armour, you can see why I am having decent success vs them.

Also with the block/parry boosts and my now 57 Shield spec 128 Dex I am blocking nearly as much as warriors these days. So whilst Thanes and warriors block each other to hell and back, I have the 2 Insta spells to fall back on. They cannot be blocked


Yes the Intsa DD damage increase is amazing, 200 off an insta is very acceptable imo.

And yes I am 2 off cap with Piety (165).

I think Troll Thanes with a self buff have such high weaponskill that they really do hurt chunks and I block less versus them on the whole.

Glyph I want a remathc soon tho, that day I decided to try out Conquer, the back position style, after a Slam, it has ZERO tohit bonus and I whiffed on my first swing.

Up until then I was using Frost Hammer, a side pos with a heavy attack speed penalty and a medium tohit bonus, much better style in duels. Gonna go back to that and give it another go.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca

also dook, bear in mind, dueling a stealther is a lot different to meeting one out in the frontiers.. in a duel you know they're about to attack you and are completely prepared for it.. in frontiers most people can't remain so alert 100% of the time..

That's exactly my point though.

If there's a chance they might get PA'd, be alert. Otherwise they have no cause to whine about being killed by an SB.

When I duel I act in the exact same way I do when I run about solo in Odin's. It's not hard

 

[Azal]

When your out in the frontier you could be attacked at any given moment by an assassin. Totally different situation when your dueling and you KNOW it is coming.

So you can't really compare dueling one to a typical encounter from an assassin at all.

I normally beat pretty much every caster i come across without even a perf, however in a duel i wouldn't have anywhere near the same confidence because they KNOW it is coming. Anyone who says different sorry but imo your talking crap. Dueling an assassin is nothing like a normal fight.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Azal
When your out in the frontier you could be attacked at any given moment by an assassin. Totally different situation when your dueling and you KNOW it is coming.

So you can't really compare dueling one to a typical encounter from an assassin at all.

I normally beat pretty much every caster i come across without even a perf, however in a duel i wouldn't have anywhere near the same confidence because they KNOW it is coming. Anyone who says different sorry but imo your talking crap. Dueling an assassin is nothing like a normal fight.

The only way to counter an attack by an Assasin is to be ready for it at all times and make sure you never put yourself into a position where they can attack you and gain the upper hand. How is this different from a duel?

When I'm duelling an Assasin I run about, strafe and try not to face one way too often. I do EXACTLY the same thing when running, for example, from MPK to MMG Emain. Again, how is this different from a duel?

 

[zapzap]

Dook runs around with 1 finger on pruge just incase some infil does backstab on him other finger is on sprint Iam sure.

Well thats what walker does he must have 4 hands

 

[planky]

I just say... nerf Kephan, won over me 5 times of 5.... anyone else ill fight... but not Kephan.

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug


The only way to counter an attack by an Assasin is to be ready for it at all times and make sure you never put yourself into a position where they can attack you and gain the upper hand. How is this different from a duel?

When I'm duelling an Assasin I run about, strafe and try not to face one way too often. I do EXACTLY the same thing when running, for example, from MPK to MMG Emain. Again, how is this different from a duel?

You missed the point, strafeing or whatever isn't going to help when you already lost most of your health before you even noticed you had been hit - which is what usually happens with assassins. Compared to in a duel you KNOW you are going to be hit so you are expecting it therefore it is not like when you usually get attacked by an assassin.

When I fight casters they usually have time to try and cast one spell before they die. In a dual situation you are going to have everything ready at your finger tips and it wouldn't be like a normal situation.

When i jump someone i typically get 2-3 free hits in before they react. Are you telling me you react as quick in emain/odins etc when you dont already KNOW someone is about to hit you as you do in a duel when you have that advantage?

Sorry but you totally missed the point I was making. Dueling an assassin is not even close to how you normally run into them. Having dueled myself I can tell you this is true, peoples reactions are 10 times better when you are dueling than when you pop out at them in any random place in emain etc.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Azal


You missed the point, strafeing or whatever isn't going to help when you already lost most of your health before you even noticed you had been hit - which is what usually happens with assassins. Compared to in a duel you KNOW you are going to be hit so you are expecting it therefore it is not like when you usually get attacked by an assassin.

When I fight casters they usually have time to try and cast one spell before they die. In a dual situation you are going to have everything ready at your finger tips and it wouldn't be like a normal situation.

When i jump someone i typically get 2-3 free hits in before they react. Are you telling me you react as quick in emain/odins etc when you dont already KNOW someone is about to hit you as you do in a duel when you have that advantage?

Sorry but you totally missed the point I was making. Dueling an assassin is not even close to how you normally run into them. Having dueled myself I can tell you this is true, peoples reactions are 10 times better when you are dueling than when you pop out at them in any random place in emain etc.

YOU seem to have missed the point.

Any good Caster will act as if an Assasin IS stalking them ALL the time. You're basing your posts on the misconception that I would run with no thought as to whether an Assasin is there or not which doesn't happen.

Any Caster with a shred of sense will act the exact same way as they do in duels at all times.

How would you know how I normally run into Assasins? I haven't had a succesfull PA attempt on me while solo for an age. I'm ALWAYS ready for an Assasin. Letting your guard drop is the first step towards death as a Caster.

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug


YOU seem to have missed the point.

Any good Caster will act as if an Assasin IS stalking them ALL the time. You're basing your posts on the misconception that I would run with no thought as to whether an Assasin is there or not which doesn't happen.

Any Caster with a shred of sense will act the exact same way as they do in duels at all times.

How would you know how I normally run into Assasins? I haven't had a succesfull PA attempt on me while solo for an age. I'm ALWAYS ready for an Assasin. Letting your guard drop is the first step towards death as a Caster.

I didn't miss the point. I AM an assassin. I can tell the difference in duels and out of duels that people are totally prepared for it. And they aren't in run of the mill RvR.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Azal


I didn't miss the point. I AM an assassin. I can tell the difference in duels and out of duels that people are totally prepared for it. And they aren't in run of the mill RvR.

I AM a Caster. I know I do EXACTLY the same things in RvR as I do in duels. Any Caster who isn't ready for an Assasin is asking to die.

We'll have to agree to disagree and accept that there are many circumstances where we are both right perhaps?

 

[Azal]

lvl your sb to 50, try rvr for a few months or 6 then do some duels. then find this thread again and you'll see what i'm talking about.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Azal
lvl your sb to 50, try rvr for a few months or 6 then do some duels. then find this thread again and you'll see what i'm talking about.

I've played a 50 SB for a good few months.

I'd advise you to level a Caster to 50 and see how easy it is to avoid getting PA'd too

 

[Dook_Pug]

And I don't know how it is for SBs in duels.

What I DO know is that for me I see no difference between a duel and an RvR encounter with an Assassin because the strategy I use to counter Assasins is to assume one is lining me up for a PA at all times.

 

[Azal]

I know all to well how easy it is to avoid being pa'd. That isn't the issue - I don't pa even half the people I kill.

I don't need to play a caster to see the difference in peoples reactions in a duel compared to when they get jumped normally. You obviously do however.

 

[osrim]

Originally posted by Azal
When your out in the frontier you could be attacked at any given moment by an assassin. Totally different situation when your dueling and you KNOW it is coming.

So you can't really compare dueling one to a typical encounter from an assassin at all.

I normally beat pretty much every caster i come across without even a perf, however in a duel i wouldn't have anywhere near the same confidence because they KNOW it is coming. Anyone who says different sorry but imo your talking crap. Dueling an assassin is nothing like a normal fight.

Azal has point and talking from assasin perspective...

Sometimes lonely ppl even do zig zag moving instead running stright. Quite rarely ppl do it anyways...

You can try the diffrence...when you see caster run to closer em without stealth and stealth before they can cast. Situation is completely diffrent then cause they _know_ you are there and are prepared. Than you jump on them while running and usually can hit usually two times more before they wake up.

Dook if u can be so wake up all times, it gives couple choices...you using amfetamine or you drinking coffee all the time.

Maybe some infils or shades could tell how they have managed to take you out?

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Azal
I know all to well how easy it is to avoid being pa'd. That isn't the issue - I don't pa even half the people I kill.

I don't need to play a caster to see the difference in peoples reactions in a duel compared to when they get jumped normally. You obviously do however.

LOL.

How arrogant can you be?

Ah well, whatever. Forget the fact that I play a 50 Caster. Forget the fact that I know how I act when I play. Azal knows best, as usual.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by osrim


Azal has point and talking from assasin perspective...

Sometimes lonely ppl even do zig zag moving instead running stright. Quite rarely ppl do it anyways...

So..because he very rarely sees a Caster who knows how to avoid Assasins there's no possible way that I know how and actively go about avoiding them?

Originally posted by osrim

Dook if u can be so wake up all times, it gives couple choices...you using amfetamine or you drinking coffee all the time.

It's easy really. Just don't run AFK, sit down in a safe place until you're ready to move. How hard can that be?

Originally posted by osrim



Maybe some infils or shades could tell how they have managed to take you out?

Last Assasin to take me out SOLO was Constanze, about 2 months ago while I was AFK running to MMG Emain when my baby girls started crying.

 

[Azal]

When your talking about assassins, and that's what we're doing dook I'm pretty damn certain I do know best actually yes. With good reason.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Azal
When your talking about assassins, and that's what we're doing dook I'm pretty damn certain I do know best actually yes. With good reason.

Wow, and there I was thinking we were talking about the difference between Caster Vs. SB duels and solo encounters between the two in solo RvR. How silly am I!

Oh wait...we WERE...Imagine that.

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug


Wow, and there I was thinking we were talking about the difference between Caster Vs. SB duels and solo encounters between the two in solo RvR. How silly am I!

Oh wait...we WERE...Imagine that.

We are talking about assassins dueling classes, therefore talking about assassins. And the difference between dueling with one and 'normal' rvr. Which is ..wow about..assassins.

How silly are you indeed, that's a good question.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I'm not really into duelling. Have let peeps that want to duel Junior for a laugh, but don't feel the need to slap my pecker out on the table with a tape measure.

However, it has been useful.

I've been getting an SB from the guild (Blackdeath) to help me practice my anti-stealther tactics and more scientifically analyse ways to deal with things under a variety of circumstances. Its been interesting

I start with him having the complete advantage, as if I was on the frontier and being sloppy (no fight mode, no random pbae mezzing, no moving around, etc). If anyone was in Galplen a few nights ago they would have seen us going at it around the fire, me getting constantly ganked, sitting down to chat about what happened then going at it again and changing one thing each time to see the effect.

Dook: sorry mate, Azal will probably know more about SBs than pretty much anybody in game that I know. Listen when he says something.

Azal: Dook rarely gets caught out on the frontier mate, I've grouped with him and its like he's on steroids. I've wanted to gank him a few times just to make him stand still

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Azal



We are talking about assassins dueling classes, therefore talking about assassins. And the difference between dueling with one and 'normal' rvr. Which is ..wow about..assassins.

How silly are you indeed, that's a good question.

Read the bloody post before commenting perhaps?

I (You remember don't you? The CASTER) was talking about my duels with Assasins. You piped up and told me I was talking crap.

If that wasn't clear enough for you - A CASTER was talking about duelling ASSASINS. An ASSASIN said the CASTER was talking 'crap' and made a few posts about how godly he is. The CASTER tried to explain what he meant but the ASSASIN refused to read his posts and kept on going on about how he should know best being an ASSASIN.

Almost every single one of your posts has been a direct comparison between CASTERS (Yes, Casters) and Assasins. Therefore making your last pathetic attempt at salvaging what little dignity you had left a big mess as it completely contradicts almost everything you've said in this post.

Try reading posts before commenting perhaps?

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn


Dook: sorry mate, Azal will probably know more about SBs than pretty much anybody in game that I know. Listen when he says something.

That's the problem. I haven't once said he doesn't know his stuff. All I've said is that I rarely get caught out by Assasins and it's not hard to avoid them.

I really don't understand where half of his posts have come from.

 

[old.Psi]

Originally posted by Azal


I didn't miss the point. I AM an assassin. I can tell the difference in duels and out of duels that people are totally prepared for it. And they aren't in run of the mill RvR.

Have you duelled Dook?
Have you jumped Dook in Emain/Odin's?

Then you can't really say whether he would or would not react differently tbh

 

[Kraben]

speaking as a 50 caster...

Duels vs Assasins compared to normal rvr have a huge differnece. In duels u r in a limited area and u KNOW there is a assasin after u - therefor u are MUCH more on your toes than normally. I agree with Azal on this one.. Dook, u might running around like crazy when in rvr, hey I do the same! But duels vs assains are without comparisment. You say, that u always act like there is a assasin rdy to PA you whereever u are? Eh..

I too always try to cover my back from assasins at all times, run around in zig zags, turning around constantly etc. Still I DO get a bit surprised when they DO land that PA or what ever style they make to land. Compared to duels I wouldnt react nearly as fast as I do in rvr.. If ur right when u say that your reactions in rvr are just as fast as they are in duels ( where u KNOW the assasin are there, limited fighting area, limited fighting time, only the assasin to worry about ) i'd say ur Nr 1 Caster on the server..

 

[Dook_Pug]

Geez...

Hardly number one caster on the server...

I really don't understand how it's so difficult for you guys to understand...

With the amount of Assasins on the server now it would be stupid NOT to be ready at all times. Ofcourse it's a surprise when they PA me, but I'm ready for it. Running with one finger over the button configured to target last attacker and the other next to QC and root keeps me ready, it doesn't take longer than a second between getting PA'd and QCing. If YOU can't do that then you must be the WORST caster on the server. (Sarcasm appreciated)

Try to understand something. Just because YOU don't act in the same ways at all times it doesn't mean that I (or any other Caster for that matter) doesn't.

I spend alot of my time soloing in Odin's, mostly because I can't stand Mids and their little egotrips while RvRing in groups. When I am camping an MG solo I have to be ready at all times or I either die to a stealther or die to a zerg I wasn't ready for.

So tell me Kraben, do you really find it THAT hard to stay alert? Or did you just feel the need to invalidate my playstyle with a silly little comment?

 

[zotteke]

Who needs to be 50?

... Zotteke the non-50 strikes again!!

I won from xiantrec ^^

All i need is a nearsight, and i can kill anyone

... she won from me too, but that was cos she mezzed me, then ganked me with her pet+pbaoe

... also wanted to melee duel efour, but he got scared... if anyone else wanna duel me, i'll be in alb/escal, playing char called Gortak

anyway, good to see some of my buddies again.

(... and i defenatle wanna take on kalgarn ...)

 

[ignore]

<takes pen>
1. Dook

good who else on my list?

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by ignore
<takes pen>
1. Dook

good who else on my list?

You'll be lucky, won't be RvRing until my SB hits 50 now