News Paris Attack

[TdC]

Is it? Where? Forgot about terrorism, what about honour killings? Stonings? Female genital mutilations?

All terrible things, I agree. You may as well leave culture out of it entirely. Thousands of childeren die every day from lack of clean water. There are about 1500 murders in the world every day. Isn't that a terrible thing? People suck.

 

[old.user4556]

All terrible things, I agree. You may as well leave culture out of it entirely. Thousands of childeren die every day from lack of clean water. There are about 1500 murders in the world every day. Isn't that a terrible thing? People suck.

See my previous post.

Islam is disgusting.

 

[TdC]

You mean like the Germans in the early 1930s? The peacful majority are irrelevant when enough of them drive a horrific agenda.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOF7y-KuHE

Yay, Godwin!

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that people are fully capable of being absolute shitsacks if they're let off the leash. Just now I made the comment to a friend of mine that people generally have a very thin crust of decency over a thick layer of barbarism. Scratch the average dude enough and the barbarism will leak out. Things will happen, usually of the bad variant.

 

[Gwadien]

We had a lovely Empire which didn't do much about famine, and mistreated masses, for the benefit of financial gain.

We need to let them sort their shit out, we stick our nose up at them, and we don't give them a reason for them to use us as propaganda to fight us, it's that simple, they need to deal this shit theirself.

Remember the last time we tried to play God? - Remember Warlord Blair?

 

[Bodhi]

correct


No, I never said that. Imo the average Muslim majority are most likely very much like the average anyone else. They will want to live their lives in peace. They will hate anyone who shits on their shoes. Just like everyone else.

I completely agree with you, but what troubles me is how this average majority seem incredibly reticent to condemn what the batshit minority get up to. Whether it's because Islam doesn't have a central figurehead like the Pope who can tell them to sort their shit out, or if it's because they want to ignore them and carry on with their lives I don't know, but I do know the nutty minority need to sort their shit out.

 

[TdC]

See my previous post.

Islam is disgusting.

In your Godwin triggering post, you mentioned the Germans on the cusp of WWII. They aren't Muslims. If you must deplore something, choose the human condition. People are absolutely ace at hating and hurting other people given the slightest of excuses, let alone any real ones.

Re Paris, the army's been called in now. Any remaining terrorists are absolutely fucked.

 

[Moriath]

We had a lovely Empire which didn't do much about famine, and mistreated masses, for the benefit of financial gain.

We need to let them sort their shit out, we stick our nose up at them, and we don't give them a reason for them to use us as propaganda to fight us, it's that simple, they need to deal this shit theirself.

Remember the last time we tried to play God? - Remember Warlord Blair?

Lol empire was over fifty years ago. They are bringing it to us.

 

[TdC]

I completely agree with you, but what troubles me is how this average majority seem incredibly reticent to condemn what the batshit minority get up to. Whether it's because Islam doesn't have a central figurehead like the Pope who can tell them to sort their shit out, or if it's because they want to ignore them and carry on with their lives I don't know, but I do know the nutty minority need to sort their shit out.

I know, right? My mum was saying earlier that she believes what is going on in Islam is quite similar to what happend in Christianity in the 16th century. All kinds of insane shit happend, things took a while to calm down, and eventually we ended up today.

IF that stuff had happend in the modern time, the the various sects in the Christian world (for Job: about 33% of all humans or about 2.5 billion) would be at loggerheads and the extremists in those groups would have an absolute field day. Things would get *really* bad.

That aside, if my mum is right the current idiocy will likely take hundreds of years to get over itself. A slice of the populous on the scale of a country, ethnic group or religious belief doesn't change cultural habits because someone bombs them or the fucking 'Muricans put an aircraft carrier just off their coastline. That kind of change happens with glacial slowness. Fact. In the mean time lots of people will get hurt, killed, displaced, et cetera. Fact. Extremist idiots will cause all kinds of counter-/pro-/other change shit. Fact. Welcome to the world.

 

[Moriath]

So is this a direct response to Emwazi or you think this waa planned before?

I think there are sleeper cells all over and that its a reaction.

 

[Gwadien]

I feel for the refugees strung across Europe, that will now most likely be the target of backlash, backlash from the actions of the people that they were trying to escape.

Sadly ironic.

 

[Moriath]

I know what you mean. Though i have no feelings. These people however use any easy route into the country so i can see closing of borders being a stance. However. Hose who seek asylum show declare it in the first safe country they find. Not travel for preference.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm sick of people quoting what ISIS said in 2012 about invading Europe etc.

People cannot see that they've done this as a move to create fear and paranoia, and they're simply feeding off this fear and paranoia.

We need to brush ourselves down after this, compose ourselves, and use speak to the international community on how to deal with the ISIS problem rationally.

@Moriath That's hardly the point, the point is that they're human beings that are going to get backlash because of something that has nothing to do with them.

 

[Gwadien]

100+ people in a single place.

I googled the theatre as well, now mental images galore

 

[TdC]

I know what you mean. Though i have no feelings. These people however use any easy route into the country so i can see closing of borders being a stance. However. Hose who seek asylum show declare it in the first safe country they find. Not travel for preference.

Do I have to post that pic I made again? This is almost exactly what happens. If you consider Syria as an example: there are millions of Syrian refugees in the countries neighboring Syria. There are a couple of hundred thousand in the entirety of Europe incl the UK and the nordics up to Iceland. If that general distribution tree is anything to go by for your average Joe Fugee, they are doing exactly what you state they should do.

Note: I have no idea what to do about refugees, economic or otherwise.

 

[Moriath]

I'm sick of people quoting what ISIS said in 2012 about invading Europe etc.

People cannot see that they've done this as a move to create fear and paranoia, and they're simply feeding off this fear and paranoia.

We need to brush ourselves down after this, compose ourselves, and use speak to the international community on how to deal with the ISIS problem rationally.

@Moriath That's hardly the point, the point is that they're human beings that are going to get backlash because of something that has nothing to do with them.

And i can say that the human sanctity of life over others is all consuming. You seem to be affected. There are billions of us all over the planet. 140 or so might raise an eye brow, but only because they are white and in western europe. I bet dpuble or more got killed i syria or other places today that dont have the same coverage.

 

[TdC]

the point is that they're human beings that are going to get backlash because of something that has nothing to do with them.

this tbh. they're getting enough shit as it is.

 

[Moriath]

Do I have to post that pic I made again? This is almost exactly what happens. If you consider Syria as an example: there are millions of Syrian refugees in the countries neighboring Syria. There are a couple of hundred thousand in the entirety of Europe incl the UK and the nordics up to Iceland. If that general distribution tree is anything to go by for your average Joe Fugee, they are doing exactly what you state they should do.

Note: I have no idea what to do about refugees, economic or otherwise.

These people i meant the terorists not the general refugees.

 

[SilverHood]

This is really sad, but unsurprising. The question is, now what? Keep on letting 10,000 people a day from the middle east into the Europe Union, without knowing their intentions, and hoping that they end up in Sweden?

 

[Embattle]

Religion is not the cause although it is easy enough to make it the scapegoat on both sides, the people who perpetrate such abhorrent attacks would probably just do it for some other reason.

 

[DaGaffer]

I know, right? My mum was saying earlier that she believes what is going on in Islam is quite similar to what happend in Christianity in the 16th century. All kinds of insane shit happend, things took a while to calm down, and eventually we ended up today.

IF that stuff had happend in the modern time, the the various sects in the Christian world (for Job: about 33% of all humans or about 2.5 billion) would be at loggerheads and the extremists in those groups would have an absolute field day. Things would get *really* bad.

That aside, if my mum is right the current idiocy will likely take hundreds of years to get over itself. A slice of the populous on the scale of a country, ethnic group or religious belief doesn't change cultural habits because someone bombs them or the fucking 'Muricans put an aircraft carrier just off their coastline. That kind of change happens with glacial slowness. Fact. In the mean time lots of people will get hurt, killed, displaced, et cetera. Fact. Extremist idiots will cause all kinds of counter-/pro-/other change shit. Fact. Welcome to the world.

Problem is that the religious wars of the 16th-17th century managed to kill a third of the population of central Europe with nothing cleverer than matchlocks and cannons. Now we have semtex and dirty bombs, and more significantly, a LOT more people. We can't afford hundreds of years to for this shit to sort itself out. Biggest problem is we can't (or won't) address root causes; the Saudis lie at the heart of all this and we just live with it, and on the flip side, Israel is a constant issue for Islam that isn't going away either.

Best thing we can do, true energy independence - get away from oil completely and Saudi has no money to fund this shit and they go back to herding goats.

 

[DaGaffer]

Religion is not the cause although it is easy enough to make it the scapegoat on both sides, the people who perpetrate such abhorrent attacks would probably just do it for some other reason.

Suicide bombing is a lot less appealing if you don't think there's a glorious afterlife.

 

[Job]

It's not the numbers, it's the intent, if Islamic fanatics could kill millions the would, and how long before they can.
You can endlessly relate to reason and humanity, but that is the reality facing western powers, right now in backrooms of power, responses are being talked out which quite clearly involve levelling the middle east.
It's game over for muslims and immigration in Europe, every country will shut shop and a few will begin dismantalling Islamic presence,
Europe will this week show it's true colours and will it hold or split up?

 

[Talivar]

If the west tried to "Level" the middle east it would be the death of us all as it would cause a world war and despite what you might think, we would be obliterated if the likes of Russia, China, Arab nations, USA and Europe all started throwing Nukes around the world. Only funny thing about it is i can imagine North Korea being forgotten about and being only palce left so he can declare himself master of the universe and hero of Fallout 5 lol

 

[DaGaffer]

If the west tried to "Level" the middle east it would be the death of us all as it would cause a world war and despite what you might think, we would be obliterated if the likes of Russia, China, Arab nations, USA and Europe all started throwing Nukes around the world. Only funny thing about it is i can imagine North Korea being forgotten about and being only palce left so he can declare himself master of the universe and hero of Fallout 5 lol

Actually not sure if that's true. If you think about it, the US, Russia, China, the EU and India all have issues with Islam. If it did come down to "sides" the Islamic world would be pretty fucked. Pakistan is literally the only Islamic country that could even respond. Of course the real world isnt like that....

 

[Talivar]

Its more about opportunity, the middle east would fight back and weaken whoever attacked it to some degree, then it would be down to those leaders who dislike USA ect to make that decision about taking the opportunity to attack or not. Im not sure on all the countries but im pretty sure Russia would take that opportunity. It would only take one country to do it, then you would have others defend the attacked country and then others side with the aggressor ect. Pretty much how WW1 went in the start.

 

[Gwadien]

This is really sad, but unsurprising. The question is, now what? Keep on letting 10,000 people a day from the middle east into the Europe Union, without knowing their intentions, and hoping that they end up in Sweden?

This is the kind of attitude which feeds extremism.

ISIS told us that these refugees are terrorists, we believe them, we give them the cold shoulder and then get fucked off with their mistreatment and turn to the next best thing for them; IS.

I can almost guarantee that the attackers were French, not the people fleeing Syria.

I expect this kind of response from the retards from my Facebook who say 'ISIS said they'll do this and now look - migrants' but not from people that I largely consider intelligent on this forum.

We should take this opportunity to embrace the people coming over, not out of humanity, not out of international pressure and not out of sympathy.

Because it will annoy the absolute fuck out of IS.

The Wests response to 9/11 was the greatest ever recruitment poster for extremism, let's learn from our mistakes.

 

[Hawkwind]

Whether it's because Islam doesn't have a central figurehead like the Pope who can tell them to sort their shit out

They kinda do but they are generally by country, Grand Mufti in Saudi etc. The last real leader was the Ottoman Caliph but no one has taken up the mantle since 1924. Part of this issue is that they are so fractured even within the sects that they cannot even agree on Imam's let alone overall leadership. So the likelihood of there ever being another Caliph is remote at best.

The thing I find disturbing with the leaders they do have, is that very few say anything against acts of terrorism and what these idiots do in the name of Islam. They are probably dancing on the streets of Palestine much like they did on 9/11!

 

[old.user4556]

I have to laugh though. We're talking about leaders and "heads of" for an archaic religion, based on a book full of complete bullshit, full of misogyny, homophobia, hate and crackpot hocus pocus that would be utterly derided should it be written now (Scientology anyone) that worships an imaginary man in the sky?

Fucking lels.

 

[Bodhi]

Hate to burst your bubble Gwadien but Islamic Extremists doing shit things to non Islamic Extremists didn't start in 2003, it's been going on since the 50's. First attack I remember was in Egypt in 1990 when some Snackbars went round beheading a load of Swiss tourists - thats the famous warmongering Swiss.

They seem more than happy to attack nations that had nothing to do with the Iraq war (remember Freedom Fries?), and it's not just the West under attack - last time I checked 5 people a day were getting murdered in Thailand because they didn't appreciate the genius of everyone's favourite paedophile sky fairy, and the Thais have had bugger all to do with the Middle East.

It's an Islamic problem and we need help from the moderate Muslims to denounce what the nutters are getting up to. We can't bomb them back to the Stone Age (not that they ever left), but by the same token just talking and being compassionate isn't going to fix anything - as talking works a lot better when backed up by a ruddy great stick.

Negotiation woukd be great if we lived in an ideal world, but as you can see from last night's events, we don't.

 

[backdoor]

Latest estimate is 128 people dead........