Paladin spec

[oldnick]

whats everyone gonna do at respec?

Im thinking of going more shield than slash.

At the moment I'm not sure diamond slash is worth it, I nearly always do amethyst again and again because in the thick of it I cant work the timing right all the time.

so I was thinking 29 slash 48 chants

then either 42 shield and 30 parry

or 50 shield and 13 parry

or am I wrong?

your views?

edit : looking at im favouring the first (42 shield 30 parry)

 

[old.Bubble]

this is my pellinor pallys spec
44slash
42shield
46 chants(last enjurance and group resistance buffs)
rest parry

 

[Turamber]

I don't intend to respec, I am quite happy with my current spec:-

49 chants
42 shield
29 slash
and the balance in parry.

With realm abilities I will be a blocking/parrying machine in the next patch. Sure I do as much damage as a toothbrush thrown from 10 yards but I'll be able to soak up lots of attacks on my caster buddies...

Would be nice if they would add some more chants, or beef up the ones we have. OR give us a powered rez at 49/50 chants skill ... but that is another discussion

 

[Sade]

Think Bubbles post of :

44 - Slash
46 - Chants
42 - Shield
XX - Leftover in parry

Is one of the more popular pally specs, and what sade is going to be after respec.

Would rather spend RA's on the #Mastery# line of Blocking/Parrying than lessen one line to allow better parry/block stats.

Same as you with the amethyst slash, damn good style, just tap the slam button, and amethyst away

 

[Murcalumis]

Originally posted by oldnick
At the moment I'm not sure diamond slash is worth it, I nearly always do amethyst again and again because in the thick of it I cant work the timing right all the time.

Neither do I. And I did some tests, and posted what's probably aload of crap about it in this post; http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35775&highlight=sword+and+shield.

It might be aload of crap, granted, but I did some averages! Woo! That's got to count for something, right?

 

[old.Kladen]

im going for either
46chants
44thrust
42sheild
or
48chants
42thrust
42sheild

reason why im going for thrust is because you get a medium stun from block, and only classes that have penalty on thrust is sb,hunters,zerkers. (rest neutrul or +15%bonus0

and middies have 20ish slash resist and so do hibbies. also thrust resist is the hardest to find in both realms.

all i need to do is save some RA points for AUG dex

 

[cruhar]

48 chants
42 shield
21 slash
36 parry

but have thought about raising the slash to 29 to get amatyst.
If so, i'll lowermy parry alittle which i dont like to do.

I have even thought atbout lowering the slash even more since my damageoutput sucks anyway.

 

[old.Purificator]

I'm going either

44 slash
46 chants
42 shield

or

50 slash
42 shield
38 chants


29 seems awfully low to me.. : -/

 

[case-rigantis]

i personally am respeccing to crush so will be..

44 crush
46 chants
42 shield
rest in parry

 

[old.Bubble]

crush gets a major nurf next patch remember
Crush is good against Leather
Crush is neutral against Chain(Mid tanks)
Crush is poor against Scale(hib tanks)

Slash is good against Scale(hib tanks)
Slash is neutral against Leather
Slash is weak against chain(mid tanks)

Thrust is good against Chain(mid tanks)
Thrust is neutral Scale (hib tanks)


FVI- a few days ago i beat a epic zerker with 2 legion axes...i engaged him with enjurance chant on...when he ran out of enjurance i meleed him to death...he used IP too...still killed him with 40%HP left without FH

 

[old.Kladen]

Originally posted by old.Bubble
crush gets a major nurf next patch remember
Crush is good against Leather
Crush is neutral against Chain(Mid tanks)
Crush is poor against Scale(hib tanks)

Slash is good against Scale(hib tanks)
Slash is neutral against Leather
Slash is weak against chain(mid tanks)

Thrust is good against Chain(mid tanks)
Thrust is neutral Scale (hib tanks)

Crush is good against bard, blademasters, rangers, nightshades
Crush is neutral against warriors, thanes, skalds, beserkers, healers, shamans, hunters, shadowblades.
Crush is poor against heros, champs, wardens, druids

Slash is good against shadowblades, zerkers, hunters, wardens, druids, heros, champs
Slash is neutral nothing (not including casters)
Slash is weak against warriors, thanes, skalds, shamans, healers, bard, blademasters, rangers, nightshades.

Thrust is good against warriors, thanes, skalds, shamans, healers.
Thrust is neutral heros, champs, wardens, druids, bard, blademasters, rangers, nightshades.
Thrust is weak against shadowblades, hunters, zerkers.

crush: 4 good, 8 neutral, 4 poor
slash: 7 good, 0 neutral, 9poor
thrust: 5good, 8neutral,3 poor

overall: slash is pants because all the resistant ones are middie tanks/healers and all hibbies who dont wear scale.
crush + thrust are the best ones to choose.

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by old.Purificator
29 seems awfully low to me.. : -/

Aye it is low, but much better than the previous posters proposed level 21 slash. My goodness, I think I'd dump my sword and just run around shield stunning people

I'm leaving my chants at level 49 in the hope that one day Mythic will give us some new high level chants. Would be a bugger to respec now and then lose out later...

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by Turamber


Aye it is low, but much better than the previous posters proposed level 21 slash. My goodness, I think I'd dump my sword and just run around shield stunning people

I'm leaving my chants at level 49 in the hope that one day Mythic will give us some new high level chants. Would be a bugger to respec now and then lose out later...

When they add endurance etc chants, palas get a new respec (?)

49chants...MATTER RESIST!

 

[liste]

well, the resists get revamped soon, making all weapons more ballanced. o dont you can talk about slash being poo, and such, when that patch hits us.

and yes, i do think diamond slash is worth it.

I havent tried it, but the stats of the combo are similar to the CS Garrote+Achilles Heel, only without the snare and bleed effects.

damage on Diamond is ALOT better than on amethyst.

and timing it? please, its 1+2+1+2 instead of 1+1+1+

 

[case-rigantis]

i don`t see how crush is nerfed in next patch ok it won`t be as all killing as it wasd but will still be Neutral against mid tanks..as opposed to slash which really sucks against mid tanks

 

[Murcalumis]

Originally posted by liste
well, the resists get revamped soon, making all weapons more ballanced. o dont you can talk about slash being poo, and such, when that patch hits us.

and yes, i do think diamond slash is worth it.

I havent tried it, but the stats of the combo are similar to the CS Garrote+Achilles Heel, only without the snare and bleed effects.

damage on Diamond is ALOT better than on amethyst.

and timing it? please, its 1+2+1+2 instead of 1+1+1+

For me, on average, it does 25 damage more than my Amethyst per swing. That's for more endurance. 11 Amethysts to a full endurance bar, 8 Amethyst/Diamond combos per bar. 25 damage more per those 4 swings of Diamond before I run out of endurance is 100 damage. 3 extra swings of Amethyst at an average of 180 damage is about 540 extra damage in those three swings. Minus 100, you're doing 440 extra damage over time. Although, of course, during those 3 swings you'd be doing no styles, I still reckon the damage from Amethyst is greater over time.

Oh, and as for timing, I tend to find in large scale battles, the person I'm trying to swing a Diamond at for 2 minutes is already dead and I'm on the next bloke already!

 

[liste]

yes, over time. but you kill faster with diamond.


I would have thought the difference was bigger though

 

[Murcalumis]

Take a look-see at my logs here http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35775.

Well, as I would screw it up in RvR, and most of the fights I'm in, there's no way I'm going to kill anything quickly, I prefer to use Amethyst.. especially when there'll be alot of targets. A tank's strength is to stay alive for a long time, not kill quickly. That's yours! ;p

 

[Euthanasia.]

i hate to say it but even tho vince is a smelly gimp ..he's right
in big scale battles most enemies die b4 u can even hit the buggers let alone pull a style combo off.. i have same problem...look around for a mid noone else has so i can pull off a smite...point click ,target,start smite, BANG middies dead ,cancels spell bugger ..quick find new target ...point click, OOO noone else will get that middy ,i'll be able to smite him yay\o/, target, cast smite, BANG alb zerg smacks him,cancels smite spell(....

point is in large scale battles you wanna hits things squickly and fast therfore who needs diamond slash..save ur points and spend em on summit else worth while

 

[Murcalumis]

Smelly Gimp? Ah.. Najwa.

 

[Sojiro]

Im specced:

44slash
42shield
46chants

i managed to end up like this without really using a template

anyways... in my own personal opinion, it doesnt really matter couple of points here or there because as a pally you will die to almost any class out there if you should happen to be winning a 1v1 it takes so damn long time to kill the enemy so he has time to call in the cavalry 10 times over..... might be better next patch with all the news, but then again, i was really excited before we got those resists, and they turned out to be a mess.

Im gonna try again when parry/block is fixed, but if its the same bullshit, im gonna respec to 2H thrust, just for fun... he is a piece of crap anyway.
Alright so i wont have slam.... I dont care !!!!! Slam always seem to miss when i need it most anyway


i wont even be here when the patch comes, but i cant stop thinking daoc-wise...

a deep <sigh> goes out to all pallys
see you all

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by Sojiro
in my own personal opinion, it doesnt really matter couple of points here or there because as a pally you will die to almost any class out there

Umm, I don't think thats strictly true. It sure feels like it at times but I've killed archers (hey! who doesn't! ), assassins, tanks and, of course, casters in 1v1 situations. A lot depends on realm abilities now of course, and the timing of those confrontations, but we can kill different classes.

The classes which appear to always kill me are pure tanks and skalds. My goodness both classes kick my arse regularly I can see why a pure tank should be able to kill a paladin ... but why a skald?! Between their shouts and their weapon styles we don't have a lot of chance.

Talking to friends who play in the States this next patch really will improve the survivability of the classic sword/shield paladin, and I'm looking forward to it eagerly.

 

[Sojiro]

Originally posted by Turamber


The classes which appear to always kill me are pure tanks and skalds. My goodness both classes kick my arse regularly I can see why a pure tank should be able to kill a paladin ... but why a skald?! Between their shouts and their weapon styles we don't have a lot of chance.

i dont know the hib / mid classes very well, but im quite sure a skald kicked my ass tonight i didnt have a bloody chance...
messed me, took a break, had a beer, then came at me with brute force, did some DD and styles, and whoopsiedooo no more sojiro
And it was quite funny yesterday, i was chased by thina.. (what class is she btw?) I tried to hide behind a tree at one point but she didnt fall for that. She chased me a damn long way, because everytime she got close i turned around and started chasing her, and when she ran away i turned again and fled for my life, in the end i was rooted or some crap, and blown to pieces.

Ooops this wasnt so thread related maybe, just me whining sorry.

 

[old.Bubble]

crush used to be good against hib tank class's and neutral TO MID

now they are bad and neutral
I call that a nurf

you gotta remember that a BM,bard can't take the blows like a Hero can and poor bards tank worse than Casters lol

Through i agree that thrust is the best damage type.....apart from the gimped styles

 

[liste]

well, being an infiltrator, i know for a fact that using combo's in zerg's work. if you cant time them, you should practice, and if you feel you dont have time, get a faster bloody weapon

i have combos with 4 attacks in it, i can get them off in zergs without much hazzle.

but then again, you're a tank, Vince.... <cough>

 

[Murcalumis]

Originally posted by liste
but then again, you're a tank, Vince.... <cough>

Pah! It's not my fault! I've been using Amethyst for all this time, and now they say I've got to use this Diamond Slash thingy! Too much for the brain to take! I can't do it; I won't do it!

 

[old.Kladen]

i really want to go 1handed thurst even though i have 160 stre and 130 dex so i need DEX III (148) which is still pretty bad because i was stupid to put 10 points into quickness at the start instead of dex.
this style apeals to me most

beartooth- medium stun off block

and i want to know if puncture + lunge does good damage. from what i looked in classes of camelot (puncture+lunge)= (AS+AS)

also wyvernfang (off tranq from classes of cam) does a long duration snare which looks handy too.

ive been tempted to reroll another paladin as a saracen but leveling to 50 is too much hassle.

 

[old.Dorac]

Did my respec last night. Went from a half-gimped two handed pally to a sword 'n board one.

Aiming at:

39 slash
48 chants
42 shield
15 parry

I'm, reeeeally curious about the 50/38/42/10 way too...but I reckon 50 in slash for a paladin aint worth it.
Anyone who have tried it, and can tell me some facts?

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by old.Kladen
i really want to go 1handed thurst even though i have 160 stre and 130 dex so i need DEX III (148) which is still pretty bad because i was stupid to put 10 points into quickness at the start instead of dex.
this style apeals to me most

beartooth- medium stun off block

and i want to know if puncture + lunge does good damage. from what i looked in classes of camelot (puncture+lunge)= (AS+AS)

also wyvernfang (off tranq from classes of cam) does a long duration snare which looks handy too.

ive been tempted to reroll another paladin as a saracen but leveling to 50 is too much hassle.

dont take dex 3. and thrust is 50%str 50%dex anyways. puncture->lunge is not ame+ame.
far from it.

and if you allready have slash you will have 12 slash by default when you /respec all
you will have 12chants too, some default settings by mythic. Those points (77+77) will be reduced from your total specpoints, so they aren't autotrains

 

[agraucred]

no 2handers?

hmmm, well ill throw my spec in then:

50 2h
35 slash
36 chants
28 parry

so far im finding it pretty good, once parry etc are sorted out properly in RvR it should work exactly how i intended, and im willing to put up with being abit gimped untill then (i hate seeing the same old 1h + shield in RvR)