p-rock........wtf is goin on ?????

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by mank!
You're the one baseing your argument on one randomly chosen year of musical history. If for instance you had have said "name 5 albums released twenty years ago that are still well known" my list would have stood. If you had have chosen 1971 my list would have been entirely different, once again. I'm not bitter, just seems futile when you insist I'm wrong because of your randomly selected years.

BUT...THAT'S....EXACTLY....WHAT....YOU....DID....

Nobody decides, it just happens. Two things help - being highly original and having media coverage. Neither, however, are imperative. I can't comment on whose influential in the electronica/dance scene because I'm not into that, I guess you could sort-of say the same about Led Zep and rock. Either way, it's a huge assumption.

That's exactly the problem, you're arguing that the Led Zep et al are the most influential, and that today's music is inferior without knowing either a lot of music from the 60s and 70s, or a lot of music today. In terms of sales the most influential bands are going to be manufactured stuff like The Osmonds and the Bay City Rollers, moving up via Take That and New Kids On The Block. You could validly claim that The Spice Girls are massively influential in bringing a host of female based pop into chart success.

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by maxi--
and whoeevr said the sixties was a better time, was a fucking dick, these days we still have all that great stuff from the sixties, but we've go the great stuff from the 70s, 80s and 90s too! thats fucking great, isnt it?

I still stand by my opinion that music in the 70's in particular was of a higher calibre than music today.

My opinion

 

[gd_deathscythe]

!?

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
BUT...THAT'S....EXACTLY....WHAT....YOU....DID....

What the fuck? You choose one random year, I chose this year as an example of the future. If you like I'll say from 93-03 but hey, it doesn't change much does it?

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
That's exactly the problem, you're arguing that the Led Zep et al are the most influential, and that today's music is inferior without knowing either a lot of music from the 60s and 70s, or a lot of music today. In terms of sales the most influential bands are going to be manufactured stuff like The Osmonds and the Bay City Rollers, moving up via Take That and New Kids On The Block. You could validly claim that The Spice Girls are massively influential in bringing a host of female based pop into chart success.

I'm arguing an opinion, which is entirely pointless really because it's based on my taste in music. However, if you look at the amount of quality albums/acts in the 70's that were new/original compared to acts of the past ten years, it weighs heavily towards the 70's. Although - shock horror - it entirely depends on your opinion.

Yes, it's impossible for me to know a lot of the music from the 60's and 70's, considering I wasn't born for another decade and a half but then it's not much different for you. This is what makes being a music-opinionated twat so much fun, isn't it?

Oh, and The Spice Girls are quite influential. Unfortunately.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by mank!
What the fuck? You choose one random year, I chose this year as an example of the future. If you like I'll say from 93-03 but hey, it doesn't change much does it?

Yeah it does, if you seriously can't name at least 20 influential bands in that time frame I'll cry.

As for being new and original there are hundreds of bands who were way more innovative than any of the artists you've named.

 

[gd_deathscythe]

mank ur still here

 

[CptDoom]

ermmm 20 bands, influential, in that timeframe... u gotta be kidding me.

Prepare to cry

 

[gd_deathscythe]

metallica is one

 

[CptDoom]

ermm arent they a little earlier? i can think of 4 maybe 5 at a push

 

[gd_deathscythe]

Originally posted by CptDoom
ermm arent they a little earlier? i can think of 4 maybe 5 at a push

but they where still around in 1993 up to 2003

 

[CptDoom]

1: SpiceGirls
2: TakeThat
3: Nirvana (very late entry)
4: Erm
5: /me cries

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by CptDoom
ermmm 20 bands, influential, in that timeframe... u gotta be kidding me.

Prepare to cry

Nirvana, Pixies, Black Sabbath, Motorhead, Kiss, Metallica, The Cure, Take That, NKOTB, Oasis, Blur, Radiohead, U2, Public Enemy, LL Cool J, Run DMC, Sonic Youth, Faith No More, Beck, REM.

That's 20 who immediately came to mind from that period. I'm sure if I went through my mp3s/cds/records I could find more.

 

[CptDoom]

Wasnt the discussion about bands who are influential and started to exist in the time frame?

Nirvana : i mentioned them

Pixies : Split up in '92

Black Sabbath : Well not exaactly influential in todays music

Motorhead : ^^^

Kiss : How many bands would actually admit it even if they were inspired?

Metallica : If only they could actually write inspirational music u may have a point

The cure : Well these guys were about in the early 80's iirc

Take That : Hugely inspirational, hardly good

NKOTB : ^^^^

Oasis : Yeah i mustve missed these, need inspiration themselves now tho

Blur : Are they really inspirational?

Radio Head : Even they have admitted they are sick of covering pixies albums, hence their new 'direction'

U2 : Many a dad likes this band

Public Enemy : Not too sure about these, if they kickstarted the whole gangster rap thing ill shoot em, also way before the 90's no? And they werent original even for their time

LL Cool J : Ilistened to mark lamar ranting about how inspirational this guy was in the whole rap scen, leaves me stone cold tbh

RUN DMC : Cant comment, 2 massive singles, maybe started the rap rock crossover thing, which is now dead afaik, also 80's

Sonic Youth : Hugely inspirational according to many bands. The point is how many try and copy them and succed, not 1, Sonic Youth are great for mentioning in interviews but id say these guys are still unique. And fantastic of course.

Faith No More : I knew 2 people at school that liked Mike Pattons warblings

Beck : Excellent (on the whole) but borrows a lot of styles from here there and everywhere. Not original by any stretch of the imagination nor inspirational

REM : Induces rapid eye movement for me and many others, very talented people but ultimately boring music.

I guess i am just telling u how i interpret the music scene of today, just giving you my opinion on what i think is ground breaking and inspirational, will differ to many people, but i think the point mank! is trying to make is that there is nothing new/original/exciting coming out nowadays that u can truely quantify as unique that hasnt been done millions of times before much earlier on and i tend to agree

The reason i buy new music ( last 3 albums were janes addiction - strays, white stripes - elephant and the kills - keep on ur mean side) is that of sound quality, if i didnt care about the fact that i have a posh seperates system capable of blowing my ear drums into bliss i wouldnt waste my time listening to regurgitated music.

Out of the 20 u mentioned, 1 band is truly breaking genres, 13 are shite, and 6 are, well, questionable if at all, slightly original and also very average when compared to the past

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Ramones for teh win ffs.

 

[Yoni]

1974:
Planet Waves - Bob Dylan
Jethro Tull - Warchild
Rolling Stones - Only Rock'n'Roll
Kraftwerk - Autobahn
T Rex - Zinc Alloy and The Hidden Riders of Tomorrow
Bowie - Diamond Dogs
Hendrix - Loose Ends
Yes - Yes songs (although prog rock is not something I enjoy they influenced album covers )

To name but a few - Mank is correct there were some fabulous albums released in the 70's alot of them surrounding 74 (as already stated dark side of the moon was 73 and wish you were here was 75, Morrison Hotel 1971 the list can go on)

In my opinion all the above have influenced and will continue to influence music of today. From what I can see in todays music there is very little which will have the sustainablility / individuality of bands of yesteryear however only time will tell.

I am not saying that all music today is shite either I just don't feel it has anything new.

 

[maxi--]

Originally posted by CptDoom

Out of the 20 u mentioned, 1 band is truly breaking genres, 13 are shite, and 6 are, well, questionable if at all, slightly original and also very average when compared to the past

thats the kind of thing the backward retards of the 60s said, when The Beatles made Rubber Soul, and The Vu made & Nico, the Rolling Stones did Beggars Banquet, The Kinks the Village Green Preservations Society etc etc,

and radiohead(thats 1 word) havent sounded ANYTHING like the pixies since Pablo Honey,

 

[projectarnold]

Originally posted by CptDoom
Wasnt the discussion about bands who are influential and started to exist in the time frame?

Black Sabbath : Well not exaactly influential in todays music

They pretty much invented the sound of Heavy Metal and have had some degree of influence over most of the metal bands that have come since. A pretty large legacy if you ask me...

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
Nirvana, Pixies, Black Sabbath, Motorhead, Kiss, Metallica, The Cure, Take That, NKOTB, Oasis, Blur, Radiohead, U2, Public Enemy, LL Cool J, Run DMC, Sonic Youth, Faith No More, Beck, REM.

That's 20 who immediately came to mind from that period. I'm sure if I went through my mp3s/cds/records I could find more.

Half of those bands didn't release anything particularly noteworthy beyond 1993, but there are a few really good bands there.

Fact of the matter is, you could spend all day arguing about this and asking me to name bands, name albums and provide you with undoubtable hard evidence but it doesn't change the fact that it's my opinion. We're both wasting our time, frankly.

Originally posted by Y0ni
I am not saying that all music today is shite either I just don't feel it has anything new.

That pretty much sums up what I'm saying, there's very little music that is truly original and isn't just influenced-by or fitting with a current trend.

 

[mr.Blacky]

I disagree, but because it isn't my taste I cant say anything about it, I agree in most rock, pop (duh) there is not much renewal in the genre.

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by mank!
it doesn't change the fact that it's my opinion

This pretty much sums it up.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter a fuck what anyone else thinks if you enjoy the music and believe it's the best thing since J.J. Thomas discovered the electron.

 

[mank!]

Electrons suck though. They were much better off beforehand!

 

[leggy]

heh

I honestly couldn't give a shit if a band is influential or groundbreaking. If I enjoy listening to it, I will.

I regularly get trounced for my opinion that Sonic Youth are overrated pretentious cunts, but no amount of argument will get me to change my opinion or listen to their music.

On the other hand I enjoy listening to incubus who are widely considered commercial shit but their earlier stuff has a faith no more esque sound to it which I love.

I still love artists such as Jeff Buckley though. (one of my all time favs)

In the end if it induces emotion and it makes my ears happy I'll listen to it.

 

[mank!]

I'm not saying a band has to be ground-breaking or mindblowing influential to be good, just that bands in the 70's in particular were much more so than bands today. If I like it, I'll listen to it - just like you and practically everyone else.

oh, and why do you think SY are pretensious? There's not much for them to have any pretense about as far as I can see. LET'S ARGUE LEGGY!

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by mank!
I'm not saying a band has to be ground-breaking or mindblowing influential to be good, just that bands in the 70's in particular were much more so than bands today. If I like it, I'll listen to it - just like you and practically everyone else.

I know you weren't I was merely lobbing in my 2p

I also realise that this wasn't the point of the argument. I was bored

 

[mank!]

There really wasn't a point to this argument, it was just three music nerds flexing our muscles :/

*lobs back 2p*

 

[Gef]

You have to remember that a lot of the new up-and-coming bands are probably far too young to have listened to Pink Floyd or the Beatles etc. You dont see many 30 y/o+ bands making it big nowadays (appart from the already established ones), its the music they listen to when they were growing up. Of course those bands were influenced in some way by the bands of yesteryear, its just the way music evolves.

There have been so many bands over the years (especially recent) of course your going to find similarities in new music to the older stuff. I'm sure people our age in the 70's were saying similar things about Pink Floyd and The Beatles, of course they were influential to todays music. But i'm sure they were influenced too!

You ask your gran who she likes to listen to and i'm sure it will be something like, Bing Crosby or something. People tend to stick to the music of their era and dont like 'all this fangled new stuff, because it just sounds like noise'.

Mank! if your looking for new music, just go to alt.binaries.indie.uk or alt.binaries.mp3.alternative and randomly download mp3's till you find something good. Tis what I do, I found loads of wicked bands like that who probably havent even got a record deal.

 

[mank!]

ntl suck for newsgroups :/

 

[Gef]

Easynews.com

 

[CptDoom]

Originally posted by projectarnold
They pretty much invented the sound of Heavy Metal and have had some degree of influence over most of the metal bands that have come since. A pretty large legacy if you ask me...

Id agree wiht this, but how many metal bands nowadays arent influenced by the band 2 weeks beforehand? And the discussion was 93-03 anyway

Maxi said...
and radiohead(thats 1 word) havent sounded ANYTHING like the pixies since Pablo Honey

The statement was by them, not me u pedantic little man, apologies for mispelling, was 2 am in the morning. And go listen to ok computer, namely Electioneering

 

[Wij]

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