Organizing manifestation against the war on Excalibur Server

[crespillo]

Lo, im a player of Hib/Exc, ranger lvl 48 and im trying to organize a manifestation against the war in Exc Server, with guilds or people of Hib/Mid/Alb.

The manifestation will have place in Emain ( Hib Frontier ), in approximately 2-3 Weeks, the problem is that i need guildmasters that are interested to participe in manifestation, and e-mail or msg intern of forum to contact with they, after 1 week i will create one chanel in Mirc ( Quakenet ) to prepare better this event.

Interested people can contact with me in the e-mail: rosendofans@yahoo.es or msg in this forum.

I have got some ideas:

- One mosaic of ppl with the words "Stop The war" or something
- Human chain, etc...

Im very interested too in opinions of ppl to make it better

Really dont know if ppl are interested with the idea but im against the war and i think that many people too and i think that it will be interesting and funny.

Too i will try to contac with the offical web ( www.camelot-europe.com ),if many guilds join to this event, to announce the manifestation and put one notice.


- No War For Petrol! -

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rosendofans@yahoo.es

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by crespillo
- No War For Petrol! -

Yes, lets simplify why wars are fought, so that people that are not too wel endowed with braincells can find a reason to protest against it...
Can you explain, besides oil, why the US and the UK are attacking Irak... Might take some effort, but do not believe all that the hippies are saying...

Regards, Glottis

PS. Lame idea to bring real life politics into a game.

 

[loxleyhood]

Personaly I support the war (not necesarily the coalition's motives though) and I think everyone should give such a thing a lot of thought to participating in this event.

 

[Reverant Mezz]

omg u need to get out more

 

[Apathy]

Re: Re: Organizing manifestation against the war on Excalibur Server

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
braincells

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=braincells

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[Archeon]

Yes, lets all sit down and talk. There has to be a democratic solution to the whole problem... Wait... havn't we been trying that for the past 12 years?

Oh well never mind, i'm sure its totally irrelevent.


EDIT - ok, just realised that seems a little too flamy. Anyway, my opinion? well firstly don't do it in emain, some twats will almost certainly come along and farm you. then you'l be all "Lame ass XXX" and they'l be all "Pansy faced hippys" and you'l be... well you get the idea, it'l lead to flaming.

If you've got to hold it anywhere hold it in a less active RvR area, that way theres less chance you'l get attacked or anything.

Oh and really i've got one thing to ask...

Why an anti-war protest in a game? the whole point of games is to escape from RL issues, i sure as hell don't want to log on and have to put up with sombody whining about (to use your example) the war and how its unfair, etc, etc... i might be the only person that feels that way but that is how i feel.


The fact is the war has already started, last time we were in there during the golf war we pulled out and all the people that started to revolt against sadam were executed, mutilated, etc. So if we pull out of the war guess what sadam will probably do to the people that supported the coalition? just a little somthing for you to think about.

Sure it would be great if every little problem could be sorted via deplomicy, really it would. But when deplomicy fails you what then? do we just try to ignore the problem? hope it goes away? Eventually sombodys got to do somthing other than make idle threats. Thats the luxery we as civilians have, but what right do we have to critise? do you have to make hard decisions like declaring war on another country? do you have to defend your country? i don't, thats why i don't presume to judge the actions of those that do.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Hmm, 2-3 weeks. Should buy me enough time to level a PBAoE-class <evil grin>



Nah, but seriously: Dragging RL issues and politics in the game doesn't seem my idea of a game.

Not that I am gonna spoil it for the peeps who are willing to particpate. Perhaps I want a screenie with a Hibbie hugging me, but I should take it outside emain-bowl

 

[old.Xanthian]

I think the war is a good idea. Sadam is a loon and needs putting down.
Protesting does shit, apart from waste police time (in rl case ofc)

If you want to protest about something, protest about the shoddy service GOA provide.

 

[Khazik]

Protest in a RL public place if u must.
Don't waste valuable flaming space for RL politics.

You have the right to freedom of speech... Under the RoC and CoC (daoc) I have the 'right' to kill you in the frontier. So plz come along with your protest, and in a sign of good will and faith, remove all armour and weapons...
Have a nice day


/takes aim and lets rip

 

[StormriderX]

How will leaving Saddam Hussain in power bring peace + prosperity to iraq?

Your nicklodean diplomacy does not impress me
















quote from a very funny radio show posted in ot a while back - shame I can't find the link :/

 

[Apathy]

Oh here we go again...

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[scartooth]

I dont think anyone will deny that Saddam is a dictator and runs Iraq by fear BUT who are we to invade them??

Imagine if lets say, Russia , state that they and several states around the world do not like Blair and think he is unsafe , and also has access to weapons of mass destruction.
Now does this give them the right to demand what weapons we hold ? maybe. If we tell them to bugger off ,does it give them the right to invade us ? think not. Even Blix is critical of Bush/Blair saying that he was more or less to make sure he found eveidence of W.M.D. or that he though there was the capability there.What did Bush/Blair think he was going to do anyway? Invade and take over the world? Has Saddam turned into Dr Evil ? 0_o

The British Army etc are there to defend the UK from attack and threat NOT to invade where some ponce thinks itmight be good to.

If you think this war is about anything other than a band wagon and oil then think again. Why havent we interceded in Mugabi or even back when Bosnia was crying out for help, why did we ignore them and then only send in blue berets? No oil. Weird huh.




Diplomacy doesnt always work but saying its ok to kill thousands because the men in suits couldnt work it out sucks. If my wife argues with me and wotn see it my way does it make it ok for me to beat her black and blue then??


Good on you if you think war ANY war is right and called for. :/
Kill one and its murder.
Kill a thousand and its War.
Who made us Gods to decide when and where we can kill a leader /dictator and his people.


Logic for ya :/( and we are not hippys just folk that can see past our bloody fists and cave man breeding btw. You like war so much then go fight it if you got the balls. Brains will always beat brawn in the end game and you know it )

/flame away :/

 

[Exiled]

kill them all let god sort them out,

 

[Khazik]

Originally posted by scartooth
I dont think anyone will deny that Saddam is a dictator and runs Iraq by fear BUT who are we to invade them??

Imagine if lets say, Russia , state that they and several states around the world do not like Blair and think he is unsafe , and also has access to weapons of mass destruction.

Blair doesnt rule the UK by fear. He doesn't test chemicals on his own people. This isnt a dictatorship.

Go get some m00juice n cookies before trying to stand on a soap box ^^

Brains&Brawn together will overcome. One cannot survive without the other. Seeing past our bloody fists and caveman mentality yadda yadda yadda... So because theres war it means all those who support it are moronic neanderthals? Nope. Without those to fight wars and fight for what they beleive in, YOU wouldn't have access to a forum such as this (being able to speak freely/write freely) without fear of consequence.

But again, this is a game.. leave RL to those that can deal with RL issues. Not someone who hides behind words and the internet.

 

[Archeon]

What gives us the right to tell Sadam how to run his country? what gives us the right to invade it? i can't awnser that realistically. I suppose we gave ourselves the right.

But!

what gives Sadam the right to oppress the basic human rights of his people? What gives him the right to have people that oppose him killed? thats murder too isn't it?

If brains beat brute strength every time then why is this still going on? brains have had 12 years, they've made comitees and councils to discuss the problem. Where did that get us exactly?

Oh, and please don't confuse support for a war with liking war. Anyone that likes the idea of a war and likes the idea of killing people is a monster to me not a human being. Somtimes you just have to throw caution to the wind and do what you feel is right.

 

[Deskiziado]

When money wants to kill is called freedom.

A question, why saddam hussein is a very bad boy? Was a good boy while iran-irak war. was a a good boy when usa and uk sold chemical warfare to him. is not worst than Pinochet and anothers american-friendly dictators. oh, i know, usa and uk can't get oil from irak, and oil is most important than thousand persons that usa-uk army are killing.

This war is not for the freedom of irak people, this war is for oil.

Usa-uk alliance = terrorism

 

[ghaladriel]

:wall:

 

[Spudgie]

Sorry but you need to take your head out your arse and find out just what nice-boy Saddams been up to the past 12 years, Instead of jumping on the peace bandwagon.

I think you niave teenagers need to spend less time running about emain with virtual swords and go learn more about the real world.

Will you keep shouting out "Stop the War" when sarin loaded warheads are landing in central Europe. Sometimes the only diplomacy a person understands is cold hard steel. It's only through the threat of force that Iraq started to comply with any UN resolutions. However, it didn't take long for Saddam to change his mind and order weapon inspectors to leave on several different occasions.

Doesn't it scare you that the Iraqi leadership has the frame of mind and the ability to release WMD's on any innocent people across the world ? They've been used within Iraqs own borders against Iraqs own people so whats stopping them from lobbing more against other countries they have a grudge against.

BTW it's spelt Saddam + Iraq morons, shows how deeply you've kept up with foriegn affairs while you've been sheltered in your protective bubble provided for you by the blood of your own countrymen.

Even if you don't agree with attacking Iraq, if you can't support our lads + lasses over there, away from their families and risking their lives, then as far as i'm concerned, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

 

[findannain]

Originally posted by Deskiziado
When money wants to kill is called freedom.

A question, why saddam hussein is a very bad boy? Was a good boy while iran-irak war. was a a good boy when usa and uk sold chemical warfare to him. is not worst than Pinochet and anothers american-friendly dictators. oh, i know, usa and uk can't get oil from irak, and oil is most important than thousand persons that usa-uk army are killing.

This war is not for the freedom of irak people, this war is for oil.

Usa-uk alliance = terrorism

these words are so true

and spudgie i think you are the one who needs a reality check. and for the spelling... are you an idiot?? iraq is the english way to write in my language it is irak, if i choose to write irak then so be it. Stick your head in the ground and grow a brain you might find it comes in handy

 

[Spudgie]

Kinda thought he didn't speak English as his first language after i posted. I'll concede that.

However, I do not need a reality check. I wish I did, I'd much rather be ignorant about some things than know their true horror.

 

[Reverant Mezz]

he's killed his own ppl, made them fight against their own will or be executed, he's commited genocide... iraq had nothing to hide, got rid of all its missles yet he's firing scuds he supposedly hasnt got

i think ppl should wake up from the daze and see how much of a threat this guy actually is to the world

 

[Gray-CF]

giv nukes!

 

[elerand]

Iraq produces very little oil but has 3 times the amount of oil contained in the north sea fields at their peak, by 2020 2/3 of the uks oil will be imported, oil production has dropped by 13-17% in the past 3 years.

Ok, that snippet aside, think pro-active protests are best done irl where someone who gives a damn will notice and where the msg can be properly sent...my two p worth.

 

[DD&BD]

this war is a joke really, the USA have been chapping at the bit for a reason to go back in there and finish what bushs daddy started and 9/11 gave them that reason. Bush is a moron and he needs to sack all his speech writers too cos they are no better. This war has been sold sooooooo badly, saddam prolly shouldn’t be in power but nether should a lot of other dictators around the world, by saying that we are in Iraq to help the people there bush opened up a nasty can of worms.

I also heard on the radio today that the US are already deciding what companies get to rebuild Iraq, can u guess what country is getting all the contracts? Also we do have to remember who funded the bush campaign and that most of bushs cabinet sit of the board of oil companies. And that this is the same guy who wanted to get coal oil and gas out of his natural monuments and wildlife preserves. Its things like that which make me not trust the motives of this war.

But then we are too far in to back out now so we gonna keep going whether we like it or not.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by DD&BD
this war is a joke really, the USA have been chapping at the bit for a reason to go back in there and finish what bushs daddy started and 9/11 gave them that reason. Bush is a moron and he needs to sack all his speech writers too cos they are no better. This war has been sold sooooooo badly, saddam prolly shouldn’t be in power but nether should a lot of other dictators around the world, by saying that we are in Iraq to help the people there bush opened up a nasty can of worms.

I also heard on the radio today that the US are already deciding what companies get to rebuild Iraq, can u guess what country is getting all the contracts? Also we do have to remember who funded the bush campaign and that most of bushs cabinet sit of the board of oil companies. And that this is the same guy who wanted to get coal oil and gas out of his natural monuments and wildlife preserves. Its things like that which make me not trust the motives of this war.

But then we are too far in to back out now so we gonna keep going whether we like it or not.

The energy wars have started, geoligists and the guys who actually look for oil have been predicting it for some time, it's not a thing in the distant future, it's now and it's going to get worse, time to start looking at more and more alternatives and start learning to ride a bike if you can

 

[scartooth]

omg lol.

Because Saddam is not running his country the way we want or the way most civilized folk would run a country does NOT mean anyone can invade!

I didnt say blair ran UK by fear .Are you having trouble reading? I said what if OTHERS said "hey we dont like the way you do things" what then?? Who makes the rules here??

UK and US are there for one thing, to kill others . Thats it . Now is Saddam and good guy? No not in nine hells is he but do we have right to be there ?

Oh and if you dont like RL threads then i suggest not reading them, a lot easier to stick head in sand and say ah well it will soon be over.... except our lads funerals ( from friendly fire probably too)

 

[oldgit]

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Originally posted by Deskiziado
When money wants to kill is called freedom.

A question, why saddam hussein is a very bad boy? Was a good boy while iran-irak war. was a a good boy when usa and uk sold chemical warfare to him. is not worst than Pinochet and anothers american-friendly dictators. oh, i know, usa and uk can't get oil from irak, and oil is most important than thousand persons that usa-uk army are killing.

This war is not for the freedom of irak people, this war is for oil.

Usa-uk alliance = terrorism
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saddum used chemical weps on his own ppl.
saddum has held a vote for leadership in iraq, but say's vote for me or you will die.
saddum has kicked all opposition partys from iraq.
saddum sells oil, and keeps all the money for himself, while his country live in poverty.
saddum has pow,s tortured or killed .
saddum supports acts of terrorism on inocent ppl in the free world.
saddum laughed and enjoyed sept 11.
oh i wonder why usa-uk think he is a bad boy now

 

[domin8or]

This thread is a fucking joke. You should paste this shit somewhere else like on some whine boards or maybe Off-topic board? What the fuck has daoc anything to do with this war going on. "Organizing a manifestation against the war in Exc Server"? ffs...

 

[DD&BD]

Originally posted by oldgit
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Originally posted by Deskiziado

saddum supports acts of terrorism on inocent ppl in the free world.

so do/did the US, oliver north? bush snr?

 

[loxleyhood]

Yup, we funded both Suddum and the Taliban. Taliban to fight against the Soviets, Suddum to fight against Iran. If they have chemical weapons, we sold them to them.