On verge of WWIII?...

[Eeben]

Define normal, Ppl can be driven to a lot of things, without rationally grasping what they are doing. Just think about the milgram experiment or go back 65 years in history. We are influenced by society and those around us as well by what is happening to us. Beeing misled is easy, even beeing misled into extremism is not that hard under certain circumstances.
I won't call u ignorant for calling those ppl insane, coz somehow they are, but try to see that sanity is a fragile thing when put to test.

allright let me define what i call normal normal for you... Lets say 95% think its stupid to go to a bus an blow up kids an women then there is 5% left who think its fine to do it..then if your in the grp with those 5% your not normal.. its really that easy tbh..

There really has to be something wrong with you if you can justifi killing innocent kids by yelling jihad before you do it..

I know Israel also killt innocent ppl but for me there is a differnt when their aim is military targets an teorists (should ofc not be any innocent killt)instead of just saying lets kill some innocent ppl because that will teach them!!

 

[Celestino]

Ok and who are those 95% ?

You can't apply our western standards, they don't grow up with them... They couldn't care less about us calling them normal... just like we care shit about them calling us unpure for eating pig
What if 95% of the people around something think its ok because some leader enflamed them before ? Can this person then be called insane ? coz per ur definition it would be perfectly normal for him right ?
Iam not defending them in any way but calling them "insane" is just not the right word for it, coz they are not crazy, they have reasons for doing it, flawed from our point of view certainly, but i guess some of it must be perfectly fine for them, just like its perfectly fine for tasselhoff to rant against them

Apart from that, If not beeing mainstream makes ppl insane then we got a lot of insane ppl around and our kids should be on psychopharmaca 24/7, so they grow up to be normal, obedient and not thinking... right ?

 

[Eeben]

Ok and who are those 95% ?

You can't apply our western standards, they don't grow up with them... They couldn't care less about us calling them normal...

So you think someone to blows him self up an alot of innocent ppl is normal?

 

[Celestino]

please read my post... it says that iam not defending blowing up civilians in any way
All I say was that "normal" "sane" and all those pretty little words can't be applied from our western point of view. It might be perfectly normal for them and they have reasons for what they do, even if they are at fault.
Just try to be that open minded to not stamp them as crazy right away without even knowing what they went thru before.
Some of them might be insane, but closing your eyes and judging them without knowing them is just as insane, and we've seen were such behaviour leads to...

 

[Eeben]

please read my post... it says that iam not defending blowing up civilians in any way
All I say was that "normal" "sane" and all those pretty little words can't be applied from our western point of view. It might be perfectly normal for them and they have reasons for what they do, even if they are at fault.
Just try to be that open minded to not stamp them as crazy right away without even knowing what they went thru before.
Some of them might be insane, but closing your eyes and judging them without knowing them is just as insane, and we've seen were such behaviour leads to...

So if they had went thru alot of shit does that mean its fine to kill 50 ppl?

i have been reading your post but it has nothing to do with my western point of view.. i think you can ask pretty much anybody in the world if its being crazy to blow your self up an killing innocent ppl exept those 2% maybe who thinnk its the right thing to do an those 2% ppl = crazy

An tbh im gonna judge anybody who does stuff like that (killing innocent ppl so he can go to heaven or because they are jews(any other religon for that matter..) as a crazy fucking idiot who deserved to die .

But i do understand what your trying to tell me

 

[Celestino]

and you can find a lot of ppl in the world who say that George W Bush shouldn't be president of the united states, so are those who voted him crazy ?

The term just doesn't apply, and if u can't see that you might want to hurt urself with a stick coz i won't waste my time with you anymore and now will call you ignorant. Simply put: your dead to me

 

[Eeben]

and you can find a lot of ppl in the world who say that George W Bush shouldn't be president of the united states, so are those who voted him crazy ?

The term just doesn't apply, and if u can't see that you might want to hurt urself with a stick coz i won't waste my time with you anymore and now will call you ignorant. Simply put: your dead to me

there is a differene between George W Bush an a suicide bomber but lets just put this to rest since you will never convince me about it.. An go ahead an call me ignorant because i have a nother point of view i really dont care ..

 

[tris-]

celestino is a right drama queen

 

[Tasslehoff]

Look its not about beeing idealistic, and i already regret throwing in the word as u seem to like it. All it does is give u a hint at where you should be aiming. You might not get there in a straight line, you might even have to turn around from time to time, but as long as u're going back in the right direction in the end it's fine...
Now, it really might be easy to say that from here, but as i said earlier, from behind my computer in my protected neighborhood in a country that has not seen a war in my lifetime iam in a unique position allowing me to see things unbiased.
Now, I certainly don't expect wonders, its easy to hate, especially in a grp.
But if you take away the reasons for this hate bit by bit year by year ppl will learn to get along.
Iam not saying to start with putting them into the same village and see what happens, but iam talking about really trying to get along, stop the retaliation circle, take away their reason to blow themselfs up, then start to find common ground.
Its not like its something new, ppl are working on just that, but as long as there are idiots trying to make one side look like the victim and others falling for them it won't matter.
There is always a way if ppl just start lookin for it instead of looking for a scapegoat

Thank you, I like this post much more than the ones you posted before.
But they have been trying to take away the reasons to hate, like making peace and so. But every fucking time some nutjobs goes in with some suicide bomb and they're back to stage1.
Because people may say: "Ah, that was just one nutjob". But if it was your brother, you'll be wanting revenge bad.
When it gets personal(emotional) all rationality gets taken away. And for a country in war, any loss is personal. That's why it's so damn hard.

 

[Celestino]

Do you think its any different for the other side ?
Everything u say for one side, can be applied to the other as well.
Thats why ppl need to rethink...
Those extremists didn't just rain down on Israel, their policy helped creating them, fueling the vicious circle. But they don't have that much of an organisation behind them, they are not military.
Iam really no fan of mentioning ghandi, but sometimes you need to take a beating and continue what you started, see things thru...
Thats what ppl need to realize, without commitment its not going to stop...
Its kinda idealistic, but why thinking about revenge for a lost brother when you can think about saving ur sister and ur children.
Something like that is not going to happen over night, its a long process but its doable. You only have to really try and see it thru...

 

[Forfid]

Celestino is right.

The only solution i can see is nuke every inch of that zone, israel included!!!

 

[Adlatus Hellbringer]

So you think someone to blows him self up an alot of innocent ppl is normal?

No what hes saying is that u cant apply western culture and morals on the middle east. They live very differently.

Personally i believe israel are going in way to heavy handedly. U fight terrorism with pin point operations no all out warfare. Inocents are dying and the infrastructure is being knocked back into the stonage for these people which is wrong.

 

[Lamp]

Lets remember that the 2 soldiers were kidnappen in retaliation to Israel pinching one from the other side.

Your facutally wrong:

Quote: "The UN reported on Wednesday that about 100 Palestinians, civilians and fighters, have been killed since the start of the Israeli offensive in Gaza in late June.

Both crises were precipitated by the capture by Hamas and Hezbollah of Israeli soldiers in cross-border operations into Israel. "

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5197544.stm

And also (from the BBC website):

How did the current crisis start? The Hezbollah raid into Israel, in which eight Israeli soldiers were killed and two were captured, was a stunning and provocative attack.

Get your facts right !

 

[Tasslehoff]

Aye, it's quite the smart move by the terrorist fractions, forcing Israel into trying to bomb them out. This way every time Israel hits civilian people (and that happens in every war,) Israel will be blamed for the retaliation.

 

[Thadius]

Aye, it's quite the smart move by the terrorist fractions, forcing Israel into trying to bomb them out. This way every time Israel hits civilian people (and that happens in every war,) Israel will be blamed for the retaliation.

I just hope Iran doesnt stick its warped nose into this, that would bring the Yanks and probably the Uk in

 

[Konah]

i blame britain and US for creating a jewish state right in the middle of arabia. shoulda given them a strip of australian desert instead and all this shit would be a non-issue.

interesting site on jews and the jewish underground ruling class: Protocols of the Elders of Zion

ofc the jews claim its a forgery etc etc, but read it yourself and decide

 

[Joor]

So here we are, 24 years after Sharon did his best to destroy Lebanon in 1982, and his heirs are doing it all over again. Since they can’t endure the idea of any just settlement for Palestinians, it’s the only thing they know how to do. Call Lebanon a terror-haven and bomb it back to the stone age. Call Gaza a terror-haven and bomb its power plant, first stop on the journey back to the stone age. Bomb Damascus. Bomb Teheran.

Now Israel says it wants to wipe out Hezbollah. They wishes no harm to the people of Lebanon, just so long as they’re not supporters of Hezbollah, or standing anywhere in the neighborhood of a person or a house or a car or a truck or a road or a bus or a field, or a power station or a port that might have something to do with Hezbollah. In any of those events all bets are off. You or your wife or your mother or your baby get fried.

Of course they won’t destroy Hezbollah. Every time they kill another Lebanese family, they multiply hatred of Israel and support for Hezbollah.

 

[Laddey]

Damn that second picture makes my skin crawl.