Omg

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Pin
happy with my damage output, and certainly don't fear a SB in 1v1

Thats because you know when buffed infil dmg output is about equal to that of a SB.


im not 44/44 atm, lower now, but dmg is still same with SC (compared to Gedan -crits)

But, buffed infils hit harder than any SZ i've fought, i've played an infil and know they can hit just as hard as SZs when buffed.

especially taking into account, SZ's can only use slash, which is purly str based, combine that with str being our tertiary stat AND envenerating poison, and buffs make little difference to a Shadowblades dmg output when fighting infils.

buffed rr5+ infs hit me just as hard as i hit them, i only usually come out ontop due to having slightly more hp

Guess what im trying to say, is i've played both infil and sb (sz and 5spec) and i'd trade my leftaxe line for CD and DF anyday.

 

[belth]

@ Optical:

:bore: Please go whine about your class on VN, lots of likeminded people who can't pwn like they used to. Get over it, RA's have hurt everyone.

2 good crits can decide a fight especially on 2-handers on a vulnerable armor. If that's a waste, especially on a class that can frontload damage twice in a single 1v1 fight...

---- ends 'ere

On what class is that damage Carlos? And base+mods on LA? How much weapskill does a fully buffed SZ have?

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by belth
@ Optical:

:bore: Please go whine about your class on VN, lots of likeminded people who can't pwn like they used to. Get over it, RA's have hurt everyone.

2 good crits can decide a fight especially on 2-handers on a vulnerable armor. If that's a waste, especially on a class that can frontload damage twice in a single 1v1 fight...

---- ends 'ere

On what class is that damage Carlos? And base+mods on LA? How much weapskill does a fully buffed SZ have?

No SB whinging on here about their damage jsut reacting to your bollocks that SB is easier to play than an inf.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

thats on mine and gedan's shadowblades, i respecced out of 44/44 when the respec patch came,

44/44+ w/e from RR and a few items (b4 SC)
to 36+14 axe and 39+ 12 LA.

no notisable difference now in damage, PA is nice again with SC (1 shotted an infil in stealth last time i played )

 

[belth]

Originally posted by ab_fluid


No SB whinging on here about their damage jsut reacting to your bollocks that SB is easier to play than an inf.

Ok, Optical has apparently rerolled to a SB.

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Pin


Nope, infs don't have to do any more styles. The point is that LA styles do more damage.

Take Snowsquall -> Icy Brilliance, doing what? 500 and 700 (pre-crit) damage mainhand for positional styles (from a zerker anyway). Our positionals do maybe 250-300.

The point about Doublefrost is that there are no decent damage anytime styles in either Thrust or DW, and it easily beats Garotte.

So, you get much higher damaging styles, we get a 9 second stun, which (by the point of this thread) gets purged.

Fair enough, i never denied that fact, i was simply replying the the crap belth posted about all a sb does is spam DF, which is not true, am funnily enough not looking to arhue with anyone at this precise time, jsut stating a fact.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by belth
How much weapskill does a fully buffed SZ have?

about 1300ish (been a while since i checked)

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by ab_fluid


Fair enough, i never denied that fact, i was simply replying the the crap belth posted about all a sb does is spam DF, which is not true, am funnily enough not looking to arhue with anyone at this precise time, jsut stating a fact.

tbh i try to use any style but DF due to it's end usage.

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Pin


Well, tell me what a SZ hits for with SS/IB (no down-talking, I'd just like to know).

was messign around with korv testing style dmg on that kinda thing yesterday, i hit for about 200-250 snowsquall unbuffed, korv's SZ now and hit me snowsquall unbuffed for about 320 bout 350 icy brilliance, but korv is packed with ra's etc so i'd imagine ur regular SZ be arounf 30-50 less than that.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos

especially taking into account, SZ's can only use slash, which is purly str based, combine that with str being our tertiary stat AND envenerating poison, and buffs make little difference to a Shadowblades dmg output when fighting infils.

Yes, I agree that an un-buffed SB is at a disadvantage when it comes to weaponskill, but a buffed Norse SB will have at least very close to the 300 str cap (with regards to weapskill). It's only the enervating poison that weighs heavily in our favour there.


As for 'slightly more hps'. Well, I now have 1723 hits, 27% slash resist, and you probably have close to 2k hits and 40% Thrust resist.


Anyways... we could chat for hours, but I'm off home now, so come meet me and get spanked

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos


about 1300ish (been a while since i checked)

Mine's 1422 buffed, and 1328 after a greater enervating I believe (I'll try to check this one later).

I'm guessing yours drops to about 900-950 after greater enervating?

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Pin


Yes, I agree that an un-buffed SB is at a disadvantage when it comes to weaponskill, but a buffed Norse SB will have at least very close to the 300 str cap (with regards to weapskill). It's only the enervating poison that weighs heavily in our favour there.


As for 'slightly more hps'. Well, I now have 1723 hits, 27% slash resist, and you probably have close to 2k hits and 40% Thrust resist.


Anyways... we could chat for hours, but I'm off home now, so come meet me and get spanked

unbuffed.

infils have around 1000-1100
SBs have 1200-1300


2k hits only rlly happenes with lvl 50 buffs (everyone stops buffbots at 38 or 42) and toughness/aug con 2+as well as capped +hits and +con. ie, not many can reach that

im at 1750 buffed without any RAs

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Pin


Mine's 1422 buffed, and 1328 after a greater enervating I believe (I'll try to check this one later).

I'm guessing yours drops to about 900-950 after greater enervating?

about that yes, i even somtimes purge poi at start just to get it back (the weapskill drop hurts more than DF most of the time )

 

[belth]

1397 weapskill buffed, 1043 unbuffed, 1185 hits unbuffed (would be close to 1400 with capped con & +hits), 16xx something buffed (havent' been "properly" buffed since RA respec). Greater enervating drops me to ~950 or so unbuffed.

PS. Fluid needs to read more carefully.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos


unbuffed.

infils have around 1000-1100
SBs have 1200-1300


2k hits only rlly happenes with lvl 50 buffs (everyone stops buffbots at 38 or 42) and toughness/aug con 2+as well as capped +hits and +con. ie, not many can reach that

im at 1750 buffed without any RAs

Well, I'm Saracen (50 base con), no +con at creation, only 170 +hits and have 1260 unbuffed. I do have toughness 2 and aug con 1. If I were Briton with +10 con at creation I'd be at 1340 with the same RAs+equip.

(Level 43 buffs will get you within 4 con of cap also).

I believe a Norse SB with +10 con and capped con, hits and buffs gets over 1900 without aug con or toughness.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

im norse, i put 15 into con at creation +74 con +198 hits, sits me exactly at 1376 without any RAs (dropped them for purge),

Aug con adds 23hp, toughness adds 33,

if i bought aug con 3 and toughness 3 i would be over 1500, with buffs that would put me over 2k, so it can be done, i just can't afford the RAs yet (once we loose ip i can see it happening)

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by belth
PS. Fluid needs to read more carefully.

Can u please quote what i have misread cos i can't work it out

 

[skile]

Originally posted by ab_fluid


No SB whinging on here about their damage jsut reacting to your bollocks that SB is easier to play than an inf.

Thats cause all SB's are buffed .

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by skile


Thats cause all SB's are buffed .

SO are infs etc, take ur whines onto a diff thread plz, this 1 has got fuck all to do with buffbots

 

[fedexx]

PAH!

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by skile


Thats cause all SB's are buffed .

hehehehe - that's very rich mate, I think all stealthers have their fair share of bots, just look at the signatures on your minstrels on this board.

 

[Trinilim]

for once I actually agree with nol

 

[belth]

Originally posted by ab_fluid


Can u please quote what i have misread cos i can't work it out

The words "wrong class" should be enough

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by belth


The words "wrong class" should be enough

Ah, no mate you got mixed up i was responding to the part where u started saying all a sb/zerk does is spam Doublfrost, i couldn't care less if u got beaten by a skald.

 

[osrim]

Well Pin

Originally posted by Pin


Yup, I'm REALLY glad I never respecced to 50DW. That damage wreaks!

Roll on 50, 44, 31, 31, 31 though

Pin, have seen you many times underjudging "diffrent" kind of specs. Like myself after playing long with 50 cs spec at game I wanted something diffrent and going merc like spec was it. Diffrent specs has diffrent advantages.

When we talk about damage it should be damage over time.
Offen forgot or negated fact is with DW when your weapons hit same time its averaged time of weapons you hit.

My DW skill is 50, items & rr +17 and ra dualist reflexes 2 lvl. Thats equals 79 dw, from logs ran thru parser I have 75-80% dual wield rate. By using 35% bonus weapon offhander lands usually too unlike darkgrey's logs showed while ago.

While using main hand 3.5 guarded rapier and offhand 2.2 dirk. My average swing speed is 2.85 and stylebonus comes purely mainhand weaponspeed.

As final words, not seen yet anyone saying my damage output / performance sucks in these boards and usually done well against SZ's or any other classes.

Pin is good player and his spec is as good as any other like this merc kinda spec. And yea, I got annoyed cause people talking what they havent experienced. :/

I have been much less at xcal now cause im getting my cute zerker chic to 50 first at prydwen.

BTW: To friars, have heard midside ppl telling how 'overpowered' you are...

 

[skile]

Originally posted by old.Nol


hehehehe - that's very rich mate, I think all stealthers have their fair share of bots, just look at the signatures on your minstrels on this board.

Well I don't. But it happens im buffed with a bot. But never when solo. Might get buffs if going out hunting with a friend/friends, to make the experience more fun = more keel. But solo, nah..

 

[old.LandShark]

SZ damage really isn't all that after 28% resist, chain and AF buffs ;>

 

[old.Sko]

ROFL mercfil from exc goes to prydwen and rolls a zerk,
other mercfil from pry goes exc and rolls a zerk ... I see a certain pattern here ....

 

[Pin]

Re: Well Pin

Originally posted by osrim

Pin, have seen you many times underjudging "diffrent" kind of specs. Like myself after playing long with 50 cs spec at game I wanted something diffrent and going merc like spec was it. Diffrent specs has diffrent advantages.

Okay, maybe I was a bit blunt. I am not saying a 50DW spec is crap by any means. Yes, it's a good and viable spec which is different from 'the norm', and has it's pros and cons. It does need a very different playstyle to be most effective.

(But anyway, you really HAD to respec before cos 49 thrust was kinda gimped )

Originally posted by osrim

When we talk about damage it should be damage over time.
Offen forgot or negated fact is with DW when your weapons hit same time its averaged time of weapons you hit.

My DW skill is 50, items & rr +17 and ra dualist reflexes 2 lvl. Thats equals 79 dw, from logs ran thru parser I have 75-80% dual wield rate. By using 35% bonus weapon offhander lands usually too unlike darkgrey's logs showed while ago.

While using main hand 3.5 guarded rapier and offhand 2.2 dirk. My average swing speed is 2.85 and stylebonus comes purely mainhand weaponspeed.

Yes, I fully understand how the mechanics work, but pushing a second line all the way to 50 had better give a damned good style at the end of it, because a 10% increase in swing rate for going to 50 vs. stopping at 30 in DW at the cost of 810 spec points is mighty expensive.

As I said, when I respec I'll have 31 + 18DW and DR3 will give 67 effective DW, so 6% less likely to swing both weapons than yourself, but I'll still have the full PA chain and the first 3 styles in the CS evade chain, all of which are great damage and I'd never exchange them for 6% DW chance and a front positional style with defensive penalty that does around the same damage as Hamstring.

Originally posted by osrim

As final words, not seen yet anyone saying my damage output / performance sucks in these boards and usually done well against SZ's or any other classes.

I would say that having played with Sst for a month, that buffs seemed to have a larger impact on the damage output of a 50DW spec much more than my CS spec. When his bot went LD the damage would drop much more than mine.


To each his own.

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
SZ damage really isn't all that after 28% resist, chain and AF buffs ;>

alb chain is neutral to slash now.. big big difference compared to pre 1.52