Omg

[osrim]

Originally posted by old.Sko
ROFL mercfil from exc goes to prydwen and rolls a zerk,
other mercfil from pry goes exc and rolls a zerk ... I see a certain pattern here ....

Heh, I got my spark to do zerker from camlann when tested classes. Dont like casters cause they go down usually first and im kinda simple guy who wants to bash things.

After played 70 days for that stealther and tryed all things I had in my mind, wanted something else. And switching to new realm and character was good thing too, brings more perspective about things people say.

If savage had been option it would have been tough choice between zerk and it. After assasins loose IP think other classes have some kind of edge. But we see about that in future.

 

[old.Sko]

Personally will get savage as my 3rd char - from what i learn their anytimes suck, but positionals and reactionaries are something to be feared (Just like infi ). Will be quite an alternative to be playing till they fix PA - requirement to be uberbuffed to do any significant damage is quite frustrating.
PS. Zerk is neverending headache for healer.

Typical scenario :
/g Get ready
Zerk : Rats ! Charge !
Caster1 was killed by Konchita
Caster2 was killed by Konchita
You begin casting Major Repatriation spell
Zerks health goes down
You still casting Major Repatriation spell
Zerks health is dangerously low
Feck it !
You cast Blessing of Eir spell
You cast Major Repatriation spell
Caster3 was killed by zerk
You begin casting Major repatriation spell
Target not in view
You autoface zerk
You run.
Zerks health is low again
Zerk still not in view
Feck it !
Group insta fired
You begin casting Major repatriation spell
Nubi archer attacks you and your spell is interrupted.
You yell for help.
You run for cover
Archer was killed by runemaster
You begin spamming group heals.
Random deathspam from your group follows
/g OOM
/g OOM
/g JULKA HEAL!
Zerk was killed
Some mana regenned - just enough to spam some stuns
Spiritmaster starts running on the field - those kobbies feel unhealthy addiction to red swirling lines.
/g gj. Rez zerk and go!
At least what it was on thidranki

 

[osrim]

Re: Re: Well Pin

Originally posted by Pin


Okay, maybe I was a bit blunt. I am not saying a 50DW spec is crap by any means. Yes, it's a good and viable spec which is different from 'the norm', and has it's pros and cons. It does need a very different playstyle to be most effective.

I just wanted simplier way to play and dw is that.

Originally posted by Pin


(But anyway, you really HAD to respec before cos 49 thrust was kinda gimped )

Lol, hands down here. I was 39 thrust and 50 cs...I went dodger 4 without IP. It was quite horrible but at that time, I had to try everything to manage stay alive and that hamstrings chain was very good there. Won some sb's with IP with it sometimes.

Heh, I still remember well when I was learning lessons with you and mazsola there how to play rvr.

Originally posted by Pin


Yes, I fully understand how the mechanics work, but pushing a second line all the way to 50 had better give a damned good style at the end of it, because a 10% increase in swing rate for going to 50 vs. stopping at 30 in DW at the cost of 810 spec points is mighty expensive.

As I said, when I respec I'll have 31 + 18DW and DR3 will give 67 effective DW, so 6% less likely to swing both weapons than yourself, but I'll still have the full PA chain and the first 3 styles in the CS evade chain, all of which are great damage and I'd never exchange them for 6% DW chance and a front positional style with defensive penalty that does around the same damage as Hamstring.

Yeah, that DW 50 spec is gimped meanings of CS skill. But im hoping mythic does changes to DW line cause so much have been talked about improving styles or mechanics of it at boards. And class TL's have reported this too. Things may change in future as have since I rolled my infil.

Your spec sounds very good too and I have one full respec left still if I want some changes.

Originally posted by Pin

I would say that having played with Sst for a month, that buffs seemed to have a larger impact on the damage output of a 50DW spec much more than my CS spec. When his bot went LD the damage would drop much more than mine.

Hmm, ye. Its possible. Havent tested damage with buffs and without buffs, how much diffrence will come. Could be actually one of my tests next time logging in with Osrim.

But now back to malmo, group lists stright from hell...:/

 

[jox]

...

"I have been much less at xcal now cause im getting my cute zerker chic to 50 first at prydwen." by Osrim

Yeah, great. Plz stay there

 

[osrim]

Originally posted by old.Sko
Personally will get savage as my 3rd char - from what i learn their anytimes suck, but positionals and reactionaries are something to be feared (Just like infi ). Will be quite an alternative to be playing till they fix PA - requirement to be uberbuffed to do any significant damage is quite frustrating.
PS. Zerk is neverending headache for healer.

Yep savage has some nice weapon options too, swinging 2h weapon like 1h or h2h-style with multiple hits.

But you miss that ratform. Nothing beats the sight on wizards face when my small dorf chic changes form to huge badger behind wizard.

Originally posted by old.Sko


Typical scenario :
/g Get ready
Zerk : Rats ! Charge !
Caster1 was killed by Konchita
Caster2 was killed by Konchita
You begin casting Major Repatriation spell
Zerks health goes down
You still casting Major Repatriation spell
Zerks health is dangerously low
Feck it !
You cast Blessing of Eir spell
You cast Major Repatriation spell
Caster3 was killed by zerk
You begin casting Major repatriation spell
Target not in view
You autoface zerk
You run.
Zerks health is low again
Zerk still not in view
Feck it !
Group insta fired
You begin casting Major repatriation spell
Nubi archer attacks you and your spell is interrupted.
You yell for help.
You run for cover
Archer was killed by runemaster
You begin spamming group heals.
Random deathspam from your group follows
/g OOM
/g OOM
/g JULKA HEAL!
Zerk was killed
Some mana regenned - just enough to spam some stuns
Spiritmaster starts running on the field - those kobbies feel unhealthy addiction to red swirling lines.
/g gj. Rez zerk and go!
At least what it was on thidranki

Actually what i have noticed even with only few rvr experiences with zerker is that going rat form must be careful. Its nasty being targetted stright away. :/ But who cares small dorf running behind huge trolls.

BTW: Was indeed funny getting nuked by Finster at emain...hehhe.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Pin


And yes, I know it's not hitting for double my damage, but it's still more. And the gap is being closed substantially by Albion holding the strength relics. (Meaning that VN whiners coming from a server where Midgard holds the strength relics would certainly be seeing close to double the damage and might have something to whine about )

Anyway, I'm fairly happy with my damage output, and certainly don't fear a SB in 1v1

The 20% bounus from Relics helps a lot. I think if it had been the otherway arroud the difference at least on a pure SZ would be substantial. Anyway I think it should be no surprise that a LA or DW spec assassins hits harder than a 5-spec or CS in normal melee. Having said that regardless of the dmg difference the Inf has an edge with DF, but if Purge is up they loose that edge.

As for spamming DF on a SZ as pointed out from others, most use it as backup for Comeback. Also very much used is BSII - Snowsqual - IB, then do Comeback - DF to land Frosty Gaze... hardly any difference from an INF.

 

[Aussie-]

who is belth

 

[belth]

Who're you anyway? Stop mindless spam.

 

[optical-]

Originally posted by belth
Who're you anyway? Stop mindless spam.

This coming from belth? oh dear

 

[belth]

Originally posted by optical-


This coming from belth? oh dear

Go whine on VN

 

[ab_fluid]

what is Aussie?

 

[Aussie-]

look, Fluid his first words.... and it contains my name

 

[sorusi]

infs need to be nerfed anyway or most tanks buffed...

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Aussie-
look, Fluid his first words.... and it contains my name

Actually i learned to speak about 3months ago, i just have not mastered the art of typing yet.

Edit: Spelling.

 

[osrim]

Re: ...

Originally posted by jox
"I have been much less at xcal now cause im getting my cute zerker chic to 50 first at prydwen." by Osrim

Yeah, great. Plz stay there

Heh, tnx Jox.

Im gonna be much less present at xcal prolly in future. Have been fun fighting against you guys but now when my zerker prolly tomorrow hit 50, im gonna play her for while.

Today 15 bubbles xp in 15 hours...im tired of xpinging.

 

[Cloak_]

What about poor NS` :help:

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by N07ABL3
What about poor NS` :help:

what about'em?

>

 

[koskos]

LMAo
"whine whine, someone got an active RA instead of a few passive ones to get me"

lol, infiils are sutch morons

 

[Cloak_]

Originally posted by Trinilim


what about'em?

>

SB get to swing both weps everytime + get higher dmg / more hp

Infil get 2.5 spec points uke:

NS get to be strong spellcasters

 

[skile]

Uhm, love these "Who is?". Quite obvious some people play this game for fame, wherefrom that question comes. Get your fame by joining some reality show instead, show ure self nekkid and throw out some narrowminded arguments instead, then you must feel respected , but to be laughed at behind closed doors.

The american dream .

 

[belth]

NS get avoid pain. kthxbye.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by belth
NS get avoid pain. kthxbye.

Which works especially well when they can't give pain.

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by N07ABL3



SB get to swing both weps everytime + get higher dmg / more hp

Infil get 2.5 spec points uke:

NS get to be strong spellcasters

what do you expect from the 'magical' realm? :hat:

 

[hotrat]

Yeah, that DW 50 spec is gimped meanings of CS skill. But im hoping mythic does changes to DW line cause so much have been talked about improving styles or mechanics of it at boards.

They should take a look at the thrust line as well, sure it rocks if you can evade but otherwise it sucks bad

Minstrels secondary stat is dex and they get some evade and thrust is better vs assasins (cus of str//con debuff) so if there was just one decent anytime style in thrust most minstrels would probably spec it... but oh no, its sting or puncture -> lunge.
The level 44 style is nice, but sadly its after tranquilize which sucks, however in the slash line the 44 style is after enrage (which is ok). Why isn't it like that in thrust, sting -> wyvernfang, slash has amy slash, it doesn't even need enrage -> sapphire

Also how can korv hit 30-50 more dmg that another sb? unless you mean the RR5 16.5 dps weapon thing? I can only see 2 RA's that increase damage for a slasher; aug str and MoP, and mop is crit increase...

 

[osrim]

Originally posted by N07ABL3
What about poor NS` :help:

I do seriously think that right specced NS's will be damn hard and nothing to laugh at after assasins loose IP.

I would go with these RA's:

Purge

Aug con 3,
Avoid pain 2/3 (Usable every 15 min, aww)

Aug Acuity 2,
Wild arcana 2

Aug qui 2,
Dodger 1/2

Aug dex 2,
Mastery of pain 2,
Dual ref 2

 

[Gef]

Originally posted by N07ABL3
What about poor NS` :help:

ph33r my 78hp DD!

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by hotrat
They should take a look at the thrust line as well, sure it rocks if you can evade but otherwise it sucks bad

Minstrels secondary stat is dex and they get some evade and thrust is better vs assasins (cus of str//con debuff) so if there was just one decent anytime style in thrust most minstrels would probably spec it... but oh no, its sting or puncture -> lunge.
The level 44 style is nice, but sadly its after tranquilize which sucks, however in the slash line the 44 style is after enrage (which is ok). Why isn't it like that in thrust, sting -> wyvernfang, slash has amy slash, it doesn't even need enrage -> sapphire

Tranq does not suck. Styles aren't just about extra damage. And the positionals in the Thrust line are reasonable aswell.

Originally posted by hotrat

Also how can korv hit 30-50 more dmg that another sb? unless you mean the RR5 16.5 dps weapon thing? I can only see 2 RA's that increase damage for a slasher; aug str and MoP, and mop is crit increase...

You gain a realm rank,
Your new title is Flammen Herra,
You gain +6 to ALL skills

Having modified 61/61 spec means you hit hard.

Anyway, she's a little pussycat realy

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Pin
You gain a realm rank,
Your new title is Flammen Herra,
You gain +6 to ALL skills

Having modified 61/61 spec means you hit hard.

Anyway, she's a little pussycat realy

What pin said so i don't have to write it again

 

[hotrat]

Ok ok tranq is good, especially with evade 7 but im talking minstrel here so 44 thrust (max) and evade 2 only, defensive bonus doesn't help us much.
Granted as well that thrust has some nice positionals, basi and pierce, similar to side slicer and backslash. Also the 3 style evade chain is nice but nothing compared to the CS one or DF.
All im saying is thrust relies a lot on evade and that is only good for infil's, it would be more usable by scouts and minstrels if it had a anytime style or a followup to sting.

Ok +6 to all skills explains it although its only +3 compared to a rr4 SB, which lets face it don't take long.