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belth

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Optical has bought Purge! Only way he can kill unbuffed infils :rolleyes:
 
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Pin

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Answer = Don't DF him.

Having the debuff, dot, snare, disease on him will serve you very well. If he purges those, then DF him.


(of course, if he's purging your CD stun, along with all the poisons, then I guess you just need to PA him harder ;) )
 
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belth

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He's still relying on crits though. Guess I'll have to start paying more attention with skalds, would've been easy if I still had IP. Hate using lvl4 style for evade :(
 
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optical-

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haha, i purged about 6 secs into dragon fang just to make sure... i would have beat you anyway.
Easiest skald? I think ive made you eat your own words.
btw i wouldnt have made a post about "owning you", so i dont know why youve posted on bw about 2 minutes after the fight making excuses. After all the laugh spamming ive beat you, now start crying.
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by belth
...Hate using lvl4 style for evade :(
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Err. What the hell kind of template do you have? Is Dark Tendrils no better than Ratfang?


(Of course, I'd just put it down to him using an active RA to beat you and get on with the game, but anyway)
 
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belth

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Oh would've beat me? You purged right after my 2nd DF post-stun, and I get 3 or 4 styles in during that stun, depending if I DW or not. You'd have died during that stun, you don't have the HPs to survive 700+ damage in that time :rolleyes: Only reason I got creamed was you got 2 good crits and parried few of my styles (DF to name one, it's not an "I win" button), or are you trying to say Hammer styles do almost twice the damage Sword styles do? I still have more victories 1v1 against skalds than losses.

Excuses? Who was saying he flees because I'm a buffed infil with 20% melee bonus and a few other stealthers near me? kthxbyepwned.

And "pwn" posts? I rarely "pwn" any lvl50's unless they're being stupid, 3-shotting lvl49 luries ok, but not lvl50's in SC/epic.
 
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belth

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Originally posted by Pin


Err. What the hell kind of template do you have? Is Dark Tendrils no better than Ratfang?


(Of course, I'd just put it down to him using an active RA to beat you and get on with the game, but anyway)
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Dark Tendrils is worse than Twin Return :p

Twin Return:
Opening - Evade
Effect - Bleed (4)
End - Low
Damage - High
To-hit - Medium
Defense bonus - Low

Orbit:
Opening - Twin Return
Effect - Hindered (useless)
End - Medium
Damage - High
To-hit - Medium
Defense bonus - None

Dark Tendrils:
Opening - Evade
Effect - Bleed (8 or 7)
End - Low
Damage - High
To-hit - Medium
Defense bonus - None


Using Twin Return instead of Dark Tendrils because they are capped at exactly the same damage, produce equal damage in fights (16.5 dps weapon damage variance aside), Twin Return has defense bonus (what ever the benefit is) and has a follow up.
I see 0 reasons to use Dark Tendrils.
 
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Pin

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Well, I don't use either. I prefer hitting for 250, 280, 280 with Hamstring, Leaper, Rib :great:
 
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belth

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Posting shit because green bar moves so slow :p

Poo, now I've to post screenie of DS :p
 
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belth

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Ideal unbuffed Dual Shadows damage. It's a nice style but I loathe my damage variance, the DF's in the fight being "discussed" did around 150 damage each, not counting offhand - DS does usually in the same neighborhood. I miss Hamstring chain actually, pretty wild damage with 50 base CS (tested on Gorre), but I hate the endurance drain on Garrote and drinking end. pots gets expensive.
 
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Pin

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Yup, I'm REALLY glad I never respecced to 50DW. That damage wreaks!

Roll on 50, 44, 31, 31, 31 though :)
 
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belth

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50DW's more of my type of playing, it's just the damage-variance on 16.5 dps weapons, had none of that when I used a Gauche in mainhand :( I'll respec to 5-spec when CS has "Critical" back in it and Thrust has a decent anytime style, I might even consider trading the DF stun for one :uhoh:
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by belth
but I hate the endurance drain on Garrote and drinking end. pots gets expensive.
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I only touch Garotte for casters if I miss PA or am unstealthed, but I'm still loathed to use it (would rather use Basiliskfang). Achilles does excellent damage though (500 mainhand on a yellow SM last night).
 
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belth

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Make PA what it once was and drop Garrote end. usage/defensive penalty down 1 level and I'm back in CS-spec ;)
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by belth
Make PA what it once was and drop Garrote end. usage/defensive penalty down 1 level and I'm back in CS-spec ;)
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I agree that PA damage needs a boost, but I much prefer the CS line for the evade chain anyway (ripping through 6-8 styles doing 250+ mainhand damage each from 1 evade is tough to beat).

I really don't care about the lack of a good anytime style either. I'll use Tranq-Wyvern and Basilisk anyway.
 
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belth

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I like positionals a lot, mostly starting fights that I can safely initiate with Flank or Shadow's Edge, but a respectable anytime style would be nice for some fights, as it is, I'm relying only on positionals and reactionaries, I have zero anytime styles on my bars (which look to require rearranging again).
 
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AbPoon

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Thank god for small favors.


Maybe you want to go and play EQ belth and cry for sympathy there insted?
 
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belth

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Originally posted by AbPoon
Maybe you want to go and play EQ belth and cry for sympathy there insted?
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Who's crying for sympathy? Not me, just stating the obvious. You just spam Doublefrost, go back to it.
 
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ab_fluid

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belth stop showing off ur immense brain power eh? i dunno a single half decent zerk/SB who jsut spam DF:

1) You can't hit any chainn from doublefrost
2) Its damage is actually lower than comeback/frosty gaze/snowsquall/icy brillinace so anyone with a brain tries to get them off.
3) Comeback (evade opening) - frosty gaze (6sec stun).

So most SB's/zerkers use comeback backed up by doublefrost, then if comeback hits, hit frosty gaze, nip in behind enemy hit a couple of snowsqualls + an icy brilliance in there.

Whats an inf do thats vastly more difficult to pull off than that? Drafonfang backed up by garrotte/(insert thrust spec skill which name i have forgotten here). by the looks of that infs really don't have to do anymore styles than a left axe user. Go look up your info before you post crap please.

Edit: Also go have a look at the zerkers parry line they got as well, all do higher dmg than doublefrost.
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by ab_fluid
Whats an inf do thats vastly more difficult to pull off than that? Drafonfang backed up by garrotte/(insert thrust spec skill which name i have forgotten here). by the looks of that infs really don't have to do anymore styles than a left axe user. Go look up your info before you post crap please.
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Nope, infs don't have to do any more styles. The point is that LA styles do more damage.

Take Snowsquall -> Icy Brilliance, doing what? 500 and 700 (pre-crit) damage mainhand for positional styles (from a zerker anyway). Our positionals do maybe 250-300.

The point about Doublefrost is that there are no decent damage anytime styles in either Thrust or DW, and it easily beats Garotte.

So, you get much higher damaging styles, we get a 9 second stun, which (by the point of this thread) gets purged.
 
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old.anubis

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Originally posted by Pin

Take Snowsquall -> Icy Brilliance, doing what? 500 and 700 (pre-crit) damage mainhand for positional styles (from a zerker anyway). Our positionals do maybe 250-300.
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i also hit with my 2hander for less than a spear hero
dont compare rogues with tanks
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by old.anubis


i also hit with my 2hander for less than a spear hero
dont compare rogues with tanks
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Well, tell me what a SZ hits for with SS/IB (no down-talking, I'd just like to know).
 
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Carlos Bananos

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Originally posted by Pin


Well, tell me what a SZ hits for with SS/IB (no down-talking, I'd just like to know).
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about 250-300 on most positionals

It's quite rare to top 300 on most styles. (IB somtimes does)

LA isn't as 'uber' as the IGN whiners preach.

Edit: thats buffed btw
 
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optical-

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Originally posted by belth
Only reason I got creamed was you got 2 good crits
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Ok so your saying ive wasted time putting points into mastery of pain etc?

As for killing most skalds 1 on 1, well it aint really surprising considering the class is far from being uber like it used to and gets ignored every patch even though its in need of help. Plus the fact mids dont have melee relic bonuses.

Anyway i think you should shut up and stop whining.
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by Carlos Bananos



about 250-300 on most positionals

It's quite rare to top 300 on most styles. (IB somtimes does)

LA isn't as 'uber' as the IGN whiners preach.

Edit: thats buffed btw
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You 44/44 specced?

And yes, I know it's not hitting for double my damage, but it's still more. And the gap is being closed substantially by Albion holding the strength relics. (Meaning that VN whiners coming from a server where Midgard holds the strength relics would certainly be seeing close to double the damage and might have something to whine about ;) )


Anyway, I'm fairly happy with my damage output, and certainly don't fear a SB in 1v1
 
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