[Official] Clustering Thread

[Imgormiel]

I voted yes in the first poll but no in the second. I had some time to think about whether or not i want to play against my realm mates and i had already sampled some of that anyway with some of my friends from excal mid going to alb pryd and playing against them on hib pryd.

Sure it was fun at first but i soon got bored of it. I don't like the idea of being seen as an 'X-realmer' because i chose to go to pryd and get away from the very unique set of player based rules on excal that the players abide by particularly with artifacts and prices. I have friends on excal and pryd and I like to keep that option as seperate as possible because i am exercising my choice.

Most players on both servers have buffbots which in pve makes things infinately better for them and less inclined to group with other people. So for someone like me who does not have a buffbot (what that gimp doesn't have a bb? :O) it sees more people like me having to solo because of this situation. And in rvr i am so sick and tired of going LinkDead because of the numbers of people who have buffbots in the same place. I'd like something done about this so that everytime I release I will release to the least populated area where I stand less chance of going LD. Yes it's the old TOA problem i am getting where people would go LD because of the sheer volume of characters in one specific area at one time or that too many are releasing to the same area at the same time. Atm my solution to combat it is to release to my house to avoid going LD. It's a nuisance and it costs me needless money and is sort of a throw back to OF if you will, but it saves me having to reboot my computer because my internet connection is so clogged by lag traces of GOA server contact that it causes my comp to freeze, even though i have 1.5mb connection and am running an AMD xp 2800 - yes old comp now but still above game spec just

I disagree that people will be more inclined to group because of the player attitude on excalibur which in essence is "You must solo everything" and only likely to encourage more solo gaming. I am tired of soloing everything, it's boring. I have shades, ranger and an sb and they are what i see to be solo characters, I find them fun because i have the option to go solo if i choose. However my zerker and eldritch have been forced to solo when i specifically made those toons for grouping and the way this game has gone it's quite difficult to get groups now than even before when we had old frontiers and that was bad enough. I don't believe clustering will change anything for the better.

There's nothing I dislike more about this game having to wait hours and waste my subscription because of the grouping attitude on excal and how some of that attitude has crept over into hib pryd. In essence I don't see much changing at all save for more numbers.

I also don't like the way this particular patch limits my options. Sure i can play german servers and i have toons on PvP. But the fact of the matter is that i will be forced to go to those servers if i want a change of scenery and do something else because of the downtime that will be forced upon me.

But that's just my ten pennies on it......

 

[Dreami]

This is the exact WRONG reason to vote yes...

So your opinion is the only one there can be?

I voted yes, because clustering will and has brought many old players back to the game.

 

[Malogrin]

Voted Yes -

Givf RvR with our allies hib/pry :wub:

Zerging will be a problem tho.. but as someone else -well- saied before...

Try to avoid it

 

[Gamah]

So your opinion is the only one there can be?

I voted yes, because clustering will and has brought many old players back to the game.

Thats not always a good thing :touch:

 

[Lothandar]

voted no - the servers are big enough to survive on their own and I don't think something that's a disincentive to new players is a good idea.

Maybe later if things get worse, but not now, not if it's irreversible.

I am a Prydwen hib nerd by my roots, and I was unable to xp normally 1,5 years ago. It's a fecking ghost town.


Nurf you.

 

[Kelio]

if a US company was doing half the stuff GOA was getting away with, theyd be getting law suits thrown at them so fast their eyeballs would be spinning.

and that is why, each morning when i wake up, i thank god that i live in europe

 

[Hornette]

I said no

I decided to vote no based on a number of things that have all been brought up by no sayers, and torn apart by yes sayers in this thread.

I fear for the economy of Hib/pryd as I have seen it on excalibur, the prices on hib/pryd are like shopping for candy if u come from excalibur!

and last and most importantly, whenever I've met a newcomer on hib/pryd, they've almost without exception told me that they were still trying hard to recover from the shock of people actually being nice to each other. people gladly handing some cash to new comers to make lowlevel life a little easier / sweeter, making new comers on hib/pryd feel really welcome!
I fear, having experienced myself the way people treat each other on excalibur, that the spirit here would be wrecked totally, and that the way I see the game would shift to something much less pleasant.

this is just my oppenion, and I do not want to mock or insult anyone for feeling otherwise.

just the way I see things ^^

 

[Shadster]

voted yes

more ppl to kill more keep action more chance to group and lots of other added bonuses

sometimes prydwen can be very dead just stealthers or stuff about will be lots more interesting Oo and if we cluster i no about 10 ppl who are guna renew there closed accounts

 

[Lilinallte]

Oo and if we cluster i no about 10 ppl who are guna renew there closed accounts

Yeah rite, cracks me up.... This can, even if it is true, never be a valid criteria to vote yes or no I know at least 10 people who will cancel their account when clustering comes through....

Furthermore: I thought messages with bad language, spam and disrespectfull content (not pointing to the quoted messagewriter, but other ones...) would be taken away? This thread is slowly turning into a mud-throwing contest....

 

[Phuzzy]

Oo and if we cluster i no about 10 ppl who are guna renew there closed accounts

... & 9 of them will probably have cancelled again a month later ...

 

[Void959]

Yeah rite, cracks me up.... This can, even if it is true, never be a valid criteria to vote yes or no I know at least 10 people who will cancel their account when clustering comes through....

Oh yeah?

Perhaps you could get just a couple of them to post here with their ingame names.

 

[Lilinallte]

Oh yeah?

Perhaps you could get just a couple of them to post here with their ingame names.

You're obviously missing the point, my friend never mind, just keep voting 'YES'...

 

[Sharma]

Less of the fighting please, if people post opinions you dont agree with, dont go off on one calling them a fuckhead for not agreeing with you, it's childish and bloody ignorant.

 

[Ctuchik]

less cry dude, u losed, end of story

not really crying about it.. well, a little bit perhaps.

just that im gonna save this thread and trample all over the first tard that even DARE to post a zerg whine threat that said he voted yes in this thread.

all im saying is that YOU voted YES to clustering, so i do NOT wanna see you bitch and whine over zergs after the clustering! you brought it on yourself.

and by YOU i mean ALL the ppl that voted yes.

 

[Ctuchik]

I voted yes, because clustering will and has brought many old players back to the game.

yeah. perhaps they will even stay to. but theres gonna be just as many or even more ppl LEAVING for the same reason those players came back, namely clustering. so in the end GOA wont have made any improvements. and when the ppl that came back finds out that they hate NF and cancel AGAIN. then what? GOA lost WAY more then they would have done if they did NOT cluster.

Disclaimer: not saying this WILL happend. just that its a very possible cenario.

and only giving the english speaking players ONE SERVER to play on really really fucking stinks ( NO i dont fucking count camlann as a server!). the only one that gains anything from that is GOA. meaning that if we wanna roll on a diffrent realm we HAVE to buy a second account (or third or fourth, what fucking ever) or delete the toons we have spent 4 years developing..


im starting to get to the point when im acually hoping this game will die here. because from now on, theres nothing that can be done to acually make things better. exept opening another RVR english server and thats never gonna happend.


/shrug, whatever

 

[Svartmetall]

GOA's contemptible record on promoting the game in the UK could really turn round and bite them on the arse here. How much bloody clearer does it need to be that we need more UK servers? Or do GOA think it's OK that UK players, after clustering (if it goes ahead, which I profoundly hope it doesn't) will have just ONE option open to them server-wise?
Do you, GOA?
Do you really think that's fair or reasonable to your paying customers in the UK?

One choice of realm for new players. No more. Just one. Pathetic.

I wonder if US players would just sit there and be told 'sorry chaps, you can only have one server and you can only play one realm because we frankly didn't bother to promote the game at all for the last 4 years. Oh well'. I voted 'no' to clustering and I suspect it could be the nail in the coffin for DAOC in the UK.

...

 

[Jaem-]

Would like more people out in the frontiers, altho it might turn abit bad with just everyone moving to a flaming tower.

1 major concern is the lag, I've quite a nice machine, but when I encounter a zerg I get insane amount of lag just due to crappy coding, more people more lag.

1 little concern is the swap time between switching servers, its alright for people like myself who just concentrate on 1 charactor, but for people that like alil variety between 2 realms won't like it. It will make people have to choose which realm to play mainly and most likely leave alot of friends behind, forcing a community to split isn't that cool.

 

[Natswoo]

I have a bunch of 50's on both servers on different realms... hell no!

 

[Mirari]

voted yes.

But kinda wish I voted no now when I've gotten a 50 on hib/pry, love the community, its so different from the exc one.

Really hope hib/exc and hib/pry can get along nicely now that it's decided tho

The good thing will be more action in the frontiers, which is always nice imo

 

[Lilinallte]

And so, the clustering of the English servers Excalibur and Prydwen, voted for with an overwhelming majority, will take place. The same will happen for the French servers Carnac and Orcanie, for whom the results were closer yet still quite clear. On the other hand, there will be no clustering of the German servers, the majority of the population having quite clearly voted against.
The clustering will come a shortly after the release of 1.75 in Europe and we hope that it will bring satisfaction to the players concerned.

So, with 1.75 due at end of June, I give it till end of July before the whole English comunity is dead.... pitty...

By the way, wasn't the 'vote' merely a small part in the whole descision taking? From the news on the support site one would say the voters have made the descision, and nothing else....

Got a very funny feeling of being screwed over here....

Was fun while it lasted

Byebye

 

[Garbannoch]

voted yes and here's why:


Primarily RvR is just not as fun anymore as it used to be. Yes sure when you think back 1-2 years you got zerged more often than now but at least you had something to fight. Zergs won't be that bad if you consider that excal and pryd population combined will be less than excal alone (!) had about 1 year ago.

Being able to fight against your own realm mates and fighting alongside former enemies will be a lot of fun and I am very much looking forward to it. I do not share the fear of alb outzerging the other realms: on excal alb is the biggest realm and they don't perform very well. Albs on pryd are even less (percentage-wise) and hence I don't see a problem at all.

Prydweners fear the influx on their economy. Well all I can say is that it will work both ways: Prydwen prices are lower and I guess the "GDP" of Prydwen is lower as well. So for Prydwen people buying Excalibur items will be expensive but on the other hand they can sell their stuff more expensively as well since Excalibur people will be able to spend more cash. After some time the 2 economies will be one with equal prices and GDP.

Very positive is the fact that ML raids will be more widely available. Also let's say you doing an artifact raid: you gather 1-2 fg of people and then do some hard artifacts like Jacina's Sash and Eriny's Charm. After clustering you can do all those artifacts twice during the course of the same raid which I think is a nice change.

All realms will be able to claim all their keeps and towers and additionally will have the resources to claim enemy keeps and towers if they intend to raid another realm, which is quite impossible atm.

There also seems to be some misunderstandings concerning characters in different realms within the cluster. Basically it will work like this: you got 1 character on hib/excal and 1 on alb/pryd. This means that after clustering you can make as many hib and alb chars as you want. The only thing you cannot do is make mid chars. If you delete all chars from alb then and only then you will be limited to hib only. In other words if you have at least 1 character in each realm/server combination before clustering goes live you will be able to make as many toons in those realms after clustering; you can even delete chars and make new ones as long as you have at least 1 character left in that realm. It all boils down to this: before clustering goes live you select the 2 realms you wanna play but won't be able to change afterwards. Also new accounts opened after clustering will only be able to play on one realm.
Personally I do not understand this restriction. It might make sense for the US servers since all of them are English and people have a variety of servers/clusters to choose from. In Europe it's different. English players will only have one choice and therefore this restriction is very bad. I don't see any technical reason why this restriction is implemented - I am sure it was only intended as a means to reduce cross-realming, which makes sense in the US but doesn't work in Europe due to the low server choice option.
I hope GOA can convince Mythic to lift this restriction for EU servers.

Relics will be reset as far as I am informed - at least that's what's happened during US clustering.

There is one question which I want answered by a GM as I haven't found any information on this yet:
How will underpopulated bonus be applied to the cluster? Will it be per realm or per server/realm. In other words will there be a bonus for let's say hib or will there 2 different boni for hib/pryd and hib/excal. I assume the first but you never know.

 

[Thor666]

Voted "yes" because i would like to see more action in general in NF.

 

[Farbaute2]

What i wonder most is how much arranged fights and rp farming will be accepted according to Goa. When everyone has accounts in enemy realms it will be easy to do a /who hadrians or a /who darkness falls. It will be alot of people trieing to arrange duels or fights and sometimes with their own alt-chars. I wonder where the line will be drawn. arranging 8 vs 8 fights via irc is just one thing but there will also be new formed guilds that claim towers that will be put to level 1 and people in thidanki playing several accounts in different realms at same time.

My question to Goa is: Will you tell what crossrealming, realmpoint farming and duelling rules that will be accepted and not accepted before clustering or wait until later?

 

[Ballard]

What i wonder most is how much arranged fights and rp farming will be accepted according to Goa. When everyone has accounts in enemy realms it will be easy to do a /who hadrians or a /who darkness falls. It will be alot of people trieing to arrange duels or fights and sometimes with their own alt-chars. I wonder where the line will be drawn. arranging 8 vs 8 fights via irc is just one thing but there will also be new formed guilds that claim towers that will be put to level 1 and people in thidanki playing several accounts in different realms at same time.

My question to Goa is: Will you tell what crossrealming, realmpoint farming and duelling rules that will be accepted and not accepted before clustering or wait until later?

wohoa slow down big fulla

How will the cross-realming situation be any different than it is now? You still cannot play two characters on the different realms using one account at the same time. And you cant just switch over and do a /who then switch back as you will have to wait one hour. Most peole with 2 accounts use the 2nd account as a buff bot so logging that account to the ther realm will mean no buffs for an hour, a small amount of intelligence is not worth that. Have you ever tried to RvR based on /who info before?? This is even disregarding the /anon command....

 

[Farbaute2]

The difference is that when clustering goes live ALL the daoc players with bot accounts will have access to 2 servers at the same time when they want. that is probably 100 times more players then we have now. I guess 30% of the european playerbase have access to bot accounts. a % much larger then on US-servers where clustering is tried out now. Since we also have much fewer players this might be a real problem.

Im not saying playing multiple realms and duelling your friends or own alt chars using voicechat or irc have to be a problem. the problem as i see it is that Goa have not stated where the line will be drawn what will be classed as cheating and breaking CoC. Goa decides what rules we play after, its their game.

 

[Ballard]

The difference is that when clustering goes live ALL the daoc players with bot accounts will have access to 2 servers at the same time when they want. that is probably 100 times more players then we have now. I guess 30% of the european playerbase have access to bot accounts. a % much larger then on US-servers where clustering is tried out now. Since we also have much fewer players this might be a real problem.

Im not saying playing multiple realms and duelling your friends or own alt chars using voicechat or irc have to be a problem. the problem as i see it is that Goa have not stated where the line will be drawn what will be classed as cheating and breaking CoC. Goa decides what rules we play after, its their game.

If you do you lose your bot and buffs for an hour so you have to weigh it up. and lets be honest here 'rp farming' as you call it, is a SHIT way of getting rps. Any half decent player can get twice as much easily engaging in normal rvr. All deathspam is localised now so its easy to track em down anyway. I really dont care if some sad sack wants to sit in his bedroom doing it. As for dueling who really cares, the offical line is its illegal but we all know how much it happens and it isnt done in-game but via IRC so this is not gonna change or get easier when clustering goes live. It really is a non issue. The real issue is the communities on both servers being effected and the potential for more zerg.

 

[Farbaute2]

When running in groups there is always many bot accounts that are not used. So its the "normal" rvr that i think about mostly. and when i speak about rp farming i dont speak about soloers or stelthers of course, there is no rps to farm there. you misunderstand me. im talking about RvR in general and groups running around. What rules we have to respect. Its great if RvR is more active. But the rules will change now. I just want to know from Goa what rules there will be.

 

[Ballard]

Ok i see what you are trying to get at. I am hopefully and reasonable confident that it wont be an issue (or at least wont be more of an issue than it is now). I imagine the rules are staying the same tho. I.e. organised duelling / cross realming can be bannable offence. If it changes im sure well hear about it

 

[Kittyfantastico]

I am pleased for all the people that wanted clustering and got it, I hope it brings back your love of, lets face it a cracking game.

I am sorry for all those that didn't want the clustering to go ahead, I know how you feel. Contrary to populour opinions on here, you were getting new players. Me and my Hubby only started playing at the beginning of this year..they announced clustering...we binned the english version and sent for the U.S.A one, simple as that. Votes weren't going to save us, and as we saw it we had battled to get a character to level 20..waiting and spending more time only for them to cluster later was not an option for us.

Now for all those that are thinking of leaving now, I would think seriously about moving to the U.S, me and my hubby love it..we are on Gaheris at the moment which is the least populated and also has no RvR and whenever we are on it's always busy, despite the time difference. People are friendly and these guys love just grouping for fun.
There are lots and lots of servers, some clustered some not, we have encountered only minor very rare lag. And the main RvR type servers are always full to bursting. If you don't want to leave the game I would check it out. Me and my other half don't regret it at all, we only regret that we had to leave people behind in our old guild that were really good, no scratch that excellent friends.

Well done to all that voted clustering, and my sympathies to those who didn't want it...but Hey...maybe one day soon we'll see you over the pond <wink>

Kitty