Off-topic Mafia #9 Game Thread

[Iceforge]

Players:
Morphius
Rubric
Levin
Olgaline
Fl3a
Golena
Old.Tohtori
Kirennia
Ch3tan

Setup: Pie E7+2 townies

Roles has been randomed, role PMs coming out shortly after this post.

Do not post in this thread until I announce that everybody has confirmed!

Rules:

1. Do not quote PMs from me and do not ask me to confirm/unconfirm anything revealed in PMs in the thread. Such request will be ignored and continued violations can result in ModKill

2. Bold your Votes and anything else I am supposed to see! It makes it a lot easier for me to see it when running over pages of debate between you guys, searching for votes for the votecount.
Also, put your votes and requests on a new line instead of in the middle of a block of text!
I have yet to have a complain about missing a vote, but the easier they are to spot, the less the chance I will ever miss a vote.
A not bold vote MIGHT still count, depending on whatever I see it or not, but don't complain about it not being counted if you did not bold it.
To clearify how to place a vote, the accepted form is:
Vote: NameOfPlayerYouWantToVote
Putting a Bolded "MOD:" infront of a question or request will help direct my attention to answering it during my next votecount

3. Don't PM other players about the game unless you role specificly allows you to do this.
Exception is that dead players of the game can PM other dead players, if they want to debate what they think is happening.
Do not discuss this game in other threads, SPECIALLY if you are dead. Your public opinion about who is and isn't mafia is not needed if you are dead!

4. Don't post in the thread at times at which you shouldn't and I've said you shouldn't. This means until I announce that all has confirmed and during night phase. Single violations happen from time to time by posting at the same time or missing a single reply. Thats fine, just don't willfully continue debating when it has been announced to be night.

5. I can't always keep track of who is and who isn't active in a game, as I don't get into the debate as much as just check for votes. Hence if someone is inactive (not posted for 48 hours, not counting weekends) use the MOD: request to request the player to be prodded. Player failing to respond in PM to me (either saying he is inactive on purpose or saying he is going to resume activity) will after a undetermined time period result in either ModKill or, preferably, replacement.

6. Rule change in mafia win condition: Mafia now only wins if there is equal or less members of town as members of the mafia at dawn. This eliminates the question about what happens with a Doctor+Townie+Mafia member alive at dusk.

7. Rule clearification: Doctors can guard themselves in this type of Setup

8. Rule clearification: Dusk talk (talking after final lynching vote is cast) is allowed. Votes can't be changed after a majority has been reached for lynching a specific person or for not lynching that day at all.

9. Be nice to each other! Don't go right for the personal insults unless it is on the level that everybody can enjoy. I host these games for people to have fun and if you somehow prove that you can and will ruin that, then I won't feel bad Mod Killing you and excluding you from being a part of future games I host!

That is all

 

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lemme know if noone replies and you need a rep =)

 

[Iceforge]

lemme know if noone replies and you need a rep =)

That message made absolutely no sense to me!

Anyway! Everybody has confirmed!

Starts Day 1! Everybody alive can post and vote all you want!

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

 

[old.Tohtori]

What is this treachery? Iceforge still alive? Shouldn't he be dead as per usual?!

Vote: Iceforge!

 

[Olgaline]

Vote: Iceforge!
and I was gonna make this whole Joke about Iceforge beeing like kenny,

you killed iceforge.!!

 

[Morphius]

may aswell join the craze!

Vote: Iceforge

 

[Levin]

That message made absolutely no sense to me!

Helpful note: I think he meant to let him know if you needed a replacement.

Anyway... *looks at all the crazy lyncho-maniacs carrying around what assumes must be an already dead person*

This town is sick.

 

[Iceforge]

Iceforge died due to peer pressure! Searching through his pockets like the thieves they are, they found out his true identity:
Iceforge, the moderator, died by Peer pressure on day 1
Not yet satisfied with that bloodshed, the townies found themselves free to commit yet another murderious act today.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

[Levin]

By the way I would like to point out that we're having an "out" day with work tomorrow so I won't be posting during the day until I get home in the evening. Please don't lynch me due to inactivity! :kissit:

 

[Golena]

Levin is looking fairly innactive so far, lets kill him!

 

[Golena]

Maybe it would make sense for the town to agree up front to not lynch someone off too quickly on day 1 to avoid what happened last game.

If someone gets 4 votes, lets give them a chance to yell, no no no i'm the cop before giving them the last vote. The mafia choosing to fake claim it this early would be very risky given we've got more time to discover who they are this game.

It's also worth considering the no-lynch vote slightly more carefully with more townies maybe since the cop will have information before we come down to a 50/50 situation?

Since the mafia can also roleblock whoever they try and kill it would make sense for the doc to also protect someone other than themselves tonight, since a sucessful block would then give them more information.

 

[fl3a]

i tend to agree with the no lynch this time. and as i am going inactive until tuesday evening i am going to vote as such, until i get back and read the shitload of pages that will have showed up by that time.

vote: no lynch
or maybe we should kill iceforges corpse again, just to make sure he is really dead?

 

[Ch3tan]

my god a town were logic is not frowned upon!

vote no lynch

 

[Golena]

Suspicious no-lynch vote by Fl3a.

It's worth dragging some information out of day 1, even if we do end up with a no-lynch. Voting for it this early, without learning anything would be very beneficial for the mafia. I would vote for him but if he's not about there's no real point this early.

He's heading up my list of suspects so far however.

 

[Golena]

Ch3tan joins him on my list after posting while I was writing.

 

[Golena]

Vote Ch3tan

We need votes to gather information, so lets get it started.

 

[fl3a]

i understand that it might be possible for mafia to use my no lynch vote, but that would need at least two townies also voting the same. but as i am not going to be active i would rather that my vote not go to waste. as i have always said the point of day 1 isnt to vote off someone, its to gather information, no matter who you vote off. and it might be more beneficial to have a no lynch today unless a good target presents themselves. in which case i might be back in time to change my vote.
but golena, you are blaming people for being too trusting of you right now?

 

[Olgaline]

From my Pov a No Lynch vote doesnt nessersarily make as much sence on the first day in a 9 man game as it does in a 7 man game.

the reason for advocting a no lynch on day one in a 7 man match game is that it's a fast shot from 7 to 5 in one night leaving only one innocent lynch nessersary for a mafia victory.

gona go think about pro's and cons for a 9 man game day one before i deside for or against a lynch.

 

[Golena]

the reason for advocting a no lynch on day one in a 7 man match game is that it's a fast shot from 7 to 5 in one night leaving only one innocent lynch nessersary for a mafia victory.

That's true of a no lynch situation as well to some extent in a 7 man game.

If you don't lynch then the mafia kills on day 1 leaving 6.
Now if you vote off an innocent on day 2 (and there's more chance with 6), then unless the doc saves on day 2 night then it's all over anyway.

In a 7 man game your actually better off with 5 on day 2 than with 6, so a no lynch really makes no sense since you don't gain the information from a lynching, or the advantage of having a higher percentage of mafia on day 2.
You might get slightly more chance of getting the second member, but working out probabilities that far down tend to be fairly meaningless since it depends much more on information gained by that point.

What I think we can probably agree on is that a fast no lynch tells us nothing. It's not just about finding out information either, but about giving the doctor a chance at working out who the mafia are likely to strike against, since a save doesn't only mean no kill but also more information for the town.

 

[Golena]

but golena, you are blaming people for being too trusting of you right now?

I'm not aware of anyone "trusting" me.

I said that with more people we should consider a no-lynch differently to a 7 man game since the tactics are going to be different. I've not worked out that a no-lynch is even the right option yet, i've still got the feeling that all it really does is potentially give the cop more time. Does that give us more information than we'd get from examining a lynch tommorow tho, i'm not sure at this point.

If your voting no lynch because somehow you "trust me" then you've mis-interpreted my post.

 

[Ch3tan]

You have so far tried to get levin and myself voted, you seem keen on murder golena.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So joking asideand killing Iceforge "We bastards!" behind us, let's get cracking:

Maybe it would make sense for the town to agree up front to not lynch someone off too quickly on day 1 to avoid what happened last game.

If someone gets 4 votes, lets give them a chance to yell, no no no i'm the cop before giving them the last vote. The mafia choosing to fake claim it this early would be very risky given we've got more time to discover who they are this game.

It's also worth considering the no-lynch vote slightly more carefully with more townies maybe since the cop will have information before we come down to a 50/50 situation?

Since the mafia can also roleblock whoever they try and kill it would make sense for the doc to also protect someone other than themselves tonight, since a sucessful block would then give them more information.

Interesting. Saying in one post that we should try to avoid a quick lynch, but also to give people the chance to speak up if they get the lynchvotes. Kinda contradictive, covering all bases incase anything happens. But more i'm interested in you assuming the mafia block/kill at the same time when often that's not the case. Mafia tend to block one person they believe to be doctor/cop, and kill anbother, this is a twoshot thing as they get more info too.

Suspicious no-lynch vote by Fl3a.

It's worth dragging some information out of day 1, even if we do end up with a no-lynch. Voting for it this early, without learning anything would be very beneficial for the mafia. I would vote for him but if he's not about there's no real point this early.

He's heading up my list of suspects so far however.

Again, interesting as such. Basing "evil" on voting for nolynch when just on previous post you said "we should consider no lynch very carefully as there's this and that reason for it".

So you support a no lynch, yet you vote people for giving a no lynch? As did with ch3tan and threw suspicion towards fl3a:

Vote Ch3tan

We need votes to gather information, so lets get it started.

As said, mighty contradictive and covering all bases, with no lynchers and also with people who would hang someone for wanting a no-lynch.

If you don't lynch then the mafia kills on day 1 leaving 6.
Now if you vote off an innocent on day 2 (and there's more chance with 6), then unless the doc saves on day 2 night then it's all over anyway.

In a 7 man game your actually better off with 5 on day 2 than with 6, so a no lynch really makes no sense since you don't gain the information from a lynching, or the advantage of having a higher percentage of mafia on day 2.
You might get slightly more chance of getting the second member, but working out probabilities that far down tend to be fairly meaningless since it depends much more on information gained by that point.

What I think we can probably agree on is that a fast no lynch tells us nothing. It's not just about finding out information either, but about giving the doctor a chance at working out who the mafia are likely to strike against, since a save doesn't only mean no kill but also more information for the town.

That's just silly, saying the town is better off with less people in it when with only 5, wrong vote gets your town killed. You're only better off with 5 then 6, if you hang a mafia on day one.

And if there's 6, and you hang an innocent, mafia kills one and you're left with 2vs2, it's not necessarily over then. With 5, you hang innocent and mafia kills and it's over straight up.

Illogical and rather confusing i'd say as a post.

Again, supporting lo lyncyh more, yet saying we should lynch at some point after some rabblerabble.

I'm not aware of anyone "trusting" me.

I said that with more people we should consider a no-lynch differently to a 7 man game since the tactics are going to be different. I've not worked out that a no-lynch is even the right option yet, i've still got the feeling that all it really does is potentially give the cop more time. Does that give us more information than we'd get from examining a lynch tommorow tho, i'm not sure at this point.

If your voting no lynch because somehow you "trust me" then you've mis-interpreted my post.

And here we come to the last parts, saying things as "ooh shouldn't trust me", more cover and also doubting everything you yourself said, insace things go wrong. Just more deviant cover-up and securing that no matter what happens, you have the "i said so" right.


Too much, too fast, vote:golena

 

[Levin]

I think Golena is mostly trying to rustle up some leaves here to gather some information. An early vote, as he did, is something i would do as well to gather information. If it was me, i would pull my vote back if i wasn't too convinced of guilt. Of course, in this case I don't know what Golena's strategy is.

Either way, I'm not convinced Golena is mafia because of all this. I am also not sure a no lynch is the way to go, even if we are nine people in this here lovely town. So.. i'm going to hang on until I get back tonight and see how things have developed. If things have come to a standstill, i might try to rustle up some leaves myself!

One thing though; I disagree with Golena about the doc. I think the doc may as well protect whoever he wants, doc himself included. If the mafia tries to kill someone and it doesn't work, they still won't know if that person is a doc or someone protected by the doc. Or am i missing something there?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I just think there's a bit too many inconsistencies and opposing reasons in Golenas posts.

Unintentional or not, it peeked my interest. Ofcourse reasoning will take my vote away.

 

[Ch3tan]

If I was a dishonest hoodlum, then I would cast suspicion on my evil partner first to take attention away from him. Way to many flaws in Golenas arguments, as Tohtori has already pointed out (and saved me the job ).

Now, not everyone has posted yet, but I would say Golena and Levin are the mafia. The fact Levin has just defended Golena makes me think this is true.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If I was a dishonest hoodlum, then I would cast suspicion on my evil partner first to take attention away from him. Way to many flaws in Golenas arguments, as Tohtori has already pointed out (and saved me the job ).

Now, not everyone has posted yet, but I would say Golena and Levin are the mafia. The fact Levin has just defended Golena makes me think this is true.

If Levin wasn't such a goodie two shoes, always fighting for the little guy, i'd be keen to believe that too.

From a totally "this game" perspective, golena and levin do seem like the most likely pair.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Then again, i'm just waiting(especially since i say it first) for the ch3tan+old.tohtori combo accusation now.

 

[Ch3tan]

The totally this game perspective is the only one you should ever use.

 

[Ch3tan]

Then again, i'm just waiting(especially since i say it first) for the ch3tan+old.tohtori combo accusation now.

Lets help that one along shall we?

unvote no lynch

vote golena

 

[Morphius]

It's been a while, so here goes.

Well firstly there's been some interesting arguments coming from people, but a no lynch on the first day for me is wrong. To get the information coming up and people slipping as to their identity you have to provoke them by votes and lynches. After the first lynch people have started to gain a picture of what's going on and thus can make their lynching more accurate.

Saying thus however, I'm still undecided and will wait until all participants have commented.