Off-topic Mafia #7 Game Thread

[Will]

I'm just not sure. It seems too obvious to be ECA. But that could be his bluff. We know almost nothing about Vasconcelos, and nothing that really jumps out as suspicious from anyone else.

*confused*

 

[Vasconcelos]

We are exactly at the same point than yesterday, if so with a shade of blame over ECA due to his vote

 

[fl3a]

so right now we have to figure out if its a bad (too obvious) play by the mafia, or ECA trying to pull off a good play. a coin toss in my eyes

 

[Levin]

so right now we have to figure out if its a bad (too obvious) play by the mafia, or ECA trying to pull off a good play. a coin toss in my eyes

Yes, it's a coin toss. Is it just me, or were these games easier in the beginning? Now, everything that happens can be counterargued with "ah, but it is probably a deceptive move".

However, since there are two mafias we don't necessarily have to hang ECA today even if he is one of them. While it's a coin toss about ECA, I feel that Will may very well be mafia.

Vote: Will

 

[fl3a]

i wonder what happened to ECAs activity? trying to stay on the background so he wouldnt have to defend or lynch his teammate?
im really scared of voting again - as someone said earlier, all it takes is one vote from a townie to another and mafia wins the game

 

[Levin]

i wonder what happened to ECAs activity? trying to stay on the background so he wouldnt have to defend or lynch his teammate?
im really scared of voting again - as someone said earlier, all it takes is one vote from a townie to another and mafia wins the game

This is true, and I didn't even think of that when I voted Will. Perhaps just as well though, or I probably wouldn't have dared to vote either. But still, he's the one who I believe to be mafia, so.. if people vote for him it's hopefully for the best! It feels like it's better to vote early based on initial gut feeling, rather than sit around and wait for all the obfuscation tactics to come around. I've done my vote and I'm glad to have it over with.

 

[ECA]

i wonder what happened to ECAs activity? trying to stay on the background so he wouldnt have to defend or lynch his teammate?

Work.

And there is like 0% chance I'm mafia, why would get I ever get into a huge flame war vs toht when he's innocent if I'm mafia? It makes 0 sense.

I think fl3a/levin are the least likely to be mafia atm but will/vasc are more likely.

That said, fl3a or levin could still be mafia.

I'm actually leaning more towards vasc "neutral" image atm but really not sure.

 

[ECA]

Bleh, reviewed my thoughts on the day 1 vote for levin, and really unless I'm mafia, or its fl3a+levin, it has to be vasc/will.

If it is fl3a and will, levin would have died on day 1.
If it is flea+vasc, levin would have died on day 1.
If it was me+fl3a/vasc/ - levin would have died on day 1.

The only combo that makes sense for me or fl3a, is if Levin is our partner.

This should disprove to Levin that neither of us are mafia - and should make will and vasc the culprits baring some double game.

The only way to prove this, is if fl3a adds his vote to will, or I add my vote to will - and we refrain from casting our vote for ~10-15 mins. Obviously if we're wrong its game over so that doesnt really work too well, but I'm going to go get my haircut so hopefully the game isnt over by the time I'm back. if it isnt, I will unvote hopefully that will prove to fl3a and levin that I am not mafia.


vote will

 

[fl3a]

ECA, in my twisted eyes it makes loads of sense yelling YOURE MAFIA YOURE MAFIA at someone during the day and then killing them when its nighttime. as you said, it makes you look totally innocent. as a poker player one of the most annoying things is being flat out bluffed in a situation where the opposition has everything at stake. and i tell you, it would be a great bluff if you did win right now. but im startin to believe that you are genuinely innocent.
and at that note i think enough of a case has been made against will. i seriously hope this doesnt cost us the game:

vote will

 

[Will]

You're all *****, and you're wrong. And I hate the swear filter.

 

[ECA]

well, if I'm wrong and levin/fl3a or levin/vasc just pwned us, then its game over anyway and well played.

 

[Iceforge]

Votecount
Day 2

Will - 3 (Levin, ECA, Fl3a)

Not voted: 2 (Vasconcelos, Will)

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch!

Levin shouts traitor and scum at will, ECA and Fl3a agree and take a hold of him. He is fighting, and shouting back of his innocence, as Kirennia is removed from yesterdays noose and it is placed around Wills neck. A last plea for mercy and sanity is overheard, as the 3 of the mob pull in the rope, it tightens around Wills neck and lifts him off the ground.
The horde makes way to Will's house and tear the inside apart, and finds lots of drugs, dirty money and weapons. No doubt, Will was indeed a mafia goon!
Dead day 2, Will the mafia goon
With a satisfied smile on their lips, the 4 remaining citizens of this (extremely) small town makes way to their homes. Tomorrow they might get that last mafia piece of scum, but for today they are exhausted!

Start night 2! Those with nightchoises, send them to me! Deadline for night 2 is friday at 20.00CET.
Do not post in thread until I announce it to be day 3!

 

[Iceforge]

Dawn came along to the little town and the people gathered at the town hall! Fl3a, ECA, Levin and Vasconcelos, they was all there... hey... nobody died tonight... A little round of clapping at the joy of everybody surviving the night was done, but then they had to get down to business and find out who the last mafia goon was.

Start day 3, post like normal!

 

[ECA]

Wp doc :!

 

[Iceforge]

Oh yeah, by the way:

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch!

 

[Vasconcelos]

How strange....

Either mafia felt asleep and forgot to nightkill or the doc did a very nice job

 

[Vasconcelos]

Well, well...

I just read my nightchoice result and i bring ye good news. Levin, ECA congratulate yourselves cuz we already won.
I'm the cop and this are the results of my investigations:

- on 1st nite i investigated Levin and found that hes inocent and pure as a virgin
- last nite it was time for flea. And oh boy! while i was searching his home, i found that hes a bloody scum. More mafioso than goodfellas Robert de Niro and Joe Pesci

And since this is a 2 mafia game, as i said, we already won

Hence,

VOTE: FLEA

 

[fl3a]

one of the fishiest cop claims i have seen in my mafia games:

- realising that he investigated someone 6 minutes after having posted his 'reaction' to the botched nightkill, if i was the cop i would seriously take note of all PMs hoping for information on every daybreak
- his innocent claim on Levin, lets put 2 and 2 together, trying a kill on Levin, failing, of course it is easy to claim that he is innocent, guessing that he is the doctor. after all, it is a 50-50 chance so either claim could be good, ECA or Levin
- in my eyes its quite evident that we never had a cop. the closest i would have come to guessing someone is a cop would be tohtori (what i said about hoping im right about his role back in day 1, what i meant was, i hope that he is the cop) due to him being so impatient to get to the night phase.
- last but not least, the no vote against Will, the mafia goon, yesterday. not even a reaction or comment to his hanging. if my mate was being hanged, i would think the best play is to keep quiet as well, because jumping on the bandwagon after it is decided might seem like eagerness to prove innocence, and defense might seem like defending your teammate

vote vasconcelos[/

 

[fl3a]

damn no editing.
vote vasconcelos

 

[ECA]

Its like 80-90% vasc, wp fl3a if you held back on day 1.

vote vasc

 

[Vasconcelos]

Its like 80-90% vasc, wp fl3a if you held back on day 1.

vote vasc

I just hope Levin believes on me since he knows me from 7 games already. I dont use to lie and the simple reason of my 2nd post was that i read the pm after posting the first reply after Iceforges results

flea is just trying to save his butt by retaliating on me...

Well ECA, just remember if we lose this game who messed this up.

 

[Levin]

Both ECA and Fl3a had the chance to kill me off on day one. Had either of them been mafia they'd probably have done it and then gone "oops". Also, they both voted Will easily enough to help get him hung.

I'm sorry Vasc but all things point to you. I know you tend to vote novote in other games too, but that doesn't mean you're not mafia in this one. You didn't vote for Will, and you have been strangely quiet in this game. If you really are the cop, I think it would have been good to act earlier in the game in a way that would have given us some reason to believe you now. Sorry old friend, I hope this isn't a mistake.

Vote: Vasconcelos

 

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 3

Vasconcelos - 3 - (Levin, ECA, Fl3a)
Fl3a - 1 - (Vasconcelos)

With 4 alive, it took 3 to lynch

Spoiler

Levin, ECA and Fl3a quickly overpowered the lone Vasconcelos and strung him up in another noose. His body was dangling lifelessly within seconds.
They went to check out Vasconcelos's house to find out if he was indeed a cop or the last mafia.
As they walked, suddenly Levin saw ECA drop down by him, a big open wound in his back and as he turned, Fl3a looked at him with a big grin on his face and a machete in his hands "Thanks for beliving in me, I guess!" Fl3a grinned and swung his machete once again, killing Levin on the spot.
Vasconcelos, cop, lynched day 3
ECA, vanilla townie, endgamed by mafia
Levin, doctor, endgamed by mafia
Fl3a, mafia goon, victorious.

Game ended day 3 with mafia victory! Scoreboard will be updated as soon as possible

Good game all

 

[Levin]

Damn it. But still, Iceforge. Shouldn't you let the night pass before checking who won? It IS possible that I would have been able to land a protect again, if Fl3a tried to murder ECA again?

 

[fl3a]

yes i was thinking the same, that the game would be decided on a coin toss. maybe a tie should be called in this case or something.
but good game mates, i really enjoyed this one

 

[Iceforge]

Damn it. But still, Iceforge. Shouldn't you let the night pass before checking who won? It IS possible that I would have been able to land a protect again, if Fl3a tried to murder ECA again?

Well, I was sitting here feeling split about it! I made a small error in a way, but ended up weightening this more doable than the other way, and let me explain why.

First off, the reason why I felt split was that in my brilliance of writting out role PMs, the explaination and definition of victory for the mafia was:
You win when you are dawn are equally many as the town or at dusk if the town is only 1 more than you.

Meaning mafia archived victory condition.

Now, I am not above saying "that was a mistake, now we got night!" and continue playing if it was, but then I thought about it and basicly that would reduce the game from being a mental strategy game, in which the players had to use the tools aviable to outsmart each other during discussing (day has always been the main part of this game) to a game that relied on chance.
The would be a 50% chance that you and Fl3a would choose to the same target tonight, so 50% chance for no nightkill and then town victory, or 50% chance for nightkill and then mafia victory, making the game essentially as meaningfull as a coin toss.

Hope you can see why I then choose to go through with just ending the game right here and then, instead of going to night even through you basicly had a 50% chance of making it through.

Doesn't make it anymore fair towards you that you just lost, I know, but hope you understand why I choose to end it like I did.

EDIT: Wording of mafia victory done by memory, but I am quite sure that it essentially says what I wrote if Fl3a or Will quoted the PM here

 

[Iceforge]

I should not do it, but I feel my fingers itch to comment on the game (/hits his own hand "bad mod, bad mod!"), I guess Will can understand why

Ah, always so easy to be sitting as the one watching from the side, knowing everything and going all "why didn't they just do that!"

 

[fl3a]

why is it so bad for the mod to comment?

 

[ECA]

Vasc - if you'd played a more active role it would have been easier to believe you

wp fl3a.

 

[Iceforge]

Well, I don't know... I just figured some players would find it inappropriate to have the one who knew everything all along going "Ah, that was a smart move!" or "that was stupid because:" bla bla bla, when it is so easy to be sitting on here knowing everything.

Ofc, if people want, I wont mind commenting on what I noticed which I think was missed by the players completely...