Off-topic Mafia #5 Special Game Thread #2

[old.Tohtori]

And levin, they don't get "spent", it's an every night occurance.

 

[kirennia]

Also, i can prove i'm the scout with one additional info on the class that kirennia has not said.

I need one less vote to be hanged.

I couldn't, by any means, know this if i wasn't the scout.

UNZERG:OLD.TOHTORI

Okay, that statement in itself has confirmed to me you are indeed a scout. All I can do is display my surprise that there are two albion classes with night kill options and not only that but two identical classes.

The reason I didn't mention it was to wait and see what you said. If I had of come out and said absolutely everything about the role it'd give you no potential 'out' if we did indeed share the same role. This gave you the option to reveal the final part of our role, convincing me you are indeed telling the truth. I hope you can look back and see how I would have had no reasoning behind saying the same role and mentioning that I was named as a SCOUT particularly.

This also serves in my mind, Levins explanation. As he came out and said he was also a mercenary, while it could be a trick, I'm not so sure that's the style of trickery he'd portray. Any way I look at it, Levin will not be cast as more guilty through sharing a role with the dead.


So where does that leave us? We've got two vigilantes who are immune to night kill althoguh we require one less vote per day to be hanged. We've also got the hib/mid section which I can only begin to believe has one option of killing per night.


Maybe the additional special part is that we've been given enough tools to effectively kill ourselves while the enemy just have 'defensive' tools to stay alive.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well...*takes a puff out of a cigar*...now we have ourselves what i like to call a predicament.

If i was the Albs, i'd burn us both to be honest, but since that's impossible, i can't really say what to do.

Both seem to know stuff that couldn't be known without knowledge.

But, i have to say *leans forwards* you could've just picked the scout by luck from the alb roster.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Also, you have the advantage of knowing that a merc is dead, or that levin is one, so it would mean it would be REAL easy to try and zerg me with such a claim.

My zergvote stands, as i simply don't believe this kind of treachery.

(yes i'm a bit drunk, hensh the overdrama in posts)

 

[kirennia]

Maybe I should have in my accusing post asked you to point out our final power but then, hindsight is a beautiful thing.

Nothing really that can be said but I no longer have any quarrel with you. As you know, there is no real way to prove innocence either way, all I can say to others is really really, do not hang Tohtori. Investigate him or myself if anyone has that role for clarification, don't bother protecting either of us, it's simply not worth it.

Am now once again, not sure who to vote for.....think it's gonna have to be an inactivity vote again

 

[fl3a]

(yes i'm a bit drunk, hensh the overdrama in posts)

i might be more than 'just a bit drunk' but im voting

zerg: kirennia

in my eyes it is fishy that someone comes out with 'of course, thats the 3rd ability' after being called out on it. i guess we will see if kirennia is telling the truth when she gets 7 zerg votes.

 

[fl3a]

offtopic: oh and tothori, if you werent roleplaying, i am also smoking a cigar right now. a romeo y julieta romeo no 3

 

[- English -]

one thing i like to note about the mafia games, is who is active and atm i notice FLEA very active in this thread so ill like to say. Im watching you!!



sorry for drunkenpost

 

[fl3a]

haha i think all friday night posts should be taken with not a pinch, but 27 pounds of salt, due to the demon called alcohol.

 

[Levin]

And levin, they don't get "spent", it's an every night occurance.

No Tohtori, it isn't always. Sometimes vigilantes have only one shot. Sometimes two. In the werewolf game i just died in, I was a vigilante with exactly two shots. And since it wasn't known to us what the deal was in this game, i needed to ask. And now I know, so all is well.

 

[Levin]

Alright. I believe you both are scouts. It's no surprise to me at all, considering we were at least two mercs at the start of this game. Now, if you guys are immune to nightkills, that means the only way you could die is if you get zerged, right? That's good, then we don't need to worry about that at least.

My suggestion is we wait and listen what the others have to say. There are WAY too many quiet people around here, as usual. If they don't speak, I don't mind some zerging in their direction indeed.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No Tohtori, it isn't always. Sometimes vigilantes have only one shot. Sometimes two. In the werewolf game i just died in, I was a vigilante with exactly two shots. And since it wasn't known to us what the deal was in this game, i needed to ask. And now I know, so all is well.

That's why i answered it. It may not be always, but it is regarding your question. Which i answered. No need to get like that.

Alright. I believe you both are scouts. It's no surprise to me at all, considering we were at least two mercs at the start of this game. Now, if you guys are immune to nightkills, that means the only way you could die is if you get zerged, right? That's good, then we don't need to worry about that at least.

My suggestion is we wait and listen what the others have to say. There are WAY too many quiet people around here, as usual. If they don't speak, I don't mind some zerging in their direction indeed.

Right. Kirennia, when zerged, will now prove also that Levin is on the hib/mid side. First, because i don't think we have two mercs and two scouts. I don't think we have two anything. And second, because he's not even slightly curious on me outing kirennias scout claim with knowledge posessed only by a scout, which is then easy to agree on.

 

[kirennia]

in my eyes it is fishy that someone comes out with 'of course, thats the 3rd ability' after being called out on it. i guess we will see if kirennia is telling the truth when she gets 7 zerg votes.

He...

If I was a mid/hib, I would simply have said 'no, that's not true' and/or made up another ability. Nobody other then us can KNOW there is a third ability and disputing it would have been easy. Backing out will always put the eyes on you but i'd rather leave myself in a slightly worse position in the eyes of people instead of trying to push my attack on tohtori because as far as I'm concerned, he's 99% innocent unlike anyonelse.

Seriously, why on earth would a hib/mid put themselves in crossfire early on by directly counterclaiming someone like that and withdrawing. You're also suggesting I 'guessed' the scout role and am now 'guessing' the third role to be right...seriously...

As for your speed in jumping on someones back as soon as they get a single vote fl3a, either that's desperation to get eyes taken off of yourself or you're just looking at trying to get anyone killed as quickly as possible.

Right. Kirennia, when zerged, will now prove also that Levin is on the hib/mid side. First, because i don't think we have two mercs and two scouts. I don't think we have two anything. And second, because he's not even slightly curious on me outing kirennias scout claim with knowledge posessed only by a scout, which is then easy to agree on.

That's a mighty big assumption. Look, I know you're a scout only out to do the best for albion but you're really, way off with this one. Why do you think there is only one of each role? Like there is in a mafia game? lol

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's a mighty big assumption. Look, I know you're a scout only out to do the best for albion but you're really, way off with this one. Why do you think there is only one of each role? Like there is in a mafia game? lol

It all comes down to logic really.

And a bit of assuming, but in the early days, there has to be.

Is it more likely for people to all have some special role, a special class, or is itmore likely for there to be two mercs and two scouts in albs, basically making half the albs consist of those classes?

I'm open to counter ideas and logic to otherwise.

 

[fl3a]

saying that im jumping on peoples backs quickly is true in some ways, untrue in others.
isnt the whole point of the game to put people in the spotlight, pressure them into making a mistake or analyze their behaviour as to gain information on which side they might be on?
and if you read the thread you will realise i have just cast my first vote. yes, i have been accusing people, have been paranoid, but i havent had enough information in one direction to make a decision to zerg someone.
and also. you are a bit too trusting towards tohtori, to be an alb, in my eyes. you are assuming that there are multiples of the same class - couldnt he just be a hib/mid stealther with exactly the same class abilities? as in, an invader equalivent to the vigilante of alb.
my decision stays for now, mostly because in my eyes your erratic behaviour is unnatural for an alb, and you might very well be an invader.

 

[fl3a]

damn tohtori, our minds work so similarly. almost makes us look like a team

 

[kirennia]

Is it more likely for people to all have some special role, a special class, or is itmore likely for there to be two mercs and two scouts in albs, basically making half the albs consist of those classes?

You mean like it was assumed last game that there would be a cop, or doc or anything other then all townies?

and also. you are a bit too trusting towards tohtori, to be an alb, in my eyes. you are assuming that there are multiples of the same class - couldnt he just be a hib/mid stealther with exactly the same class abilities? as in, an invader equalivent to the vigilante of alb.

Too trusting? Look, put yourself in my shoes.

1)He openly said he was immune to nightkills and could kill at night
2)I accused him of lies as that's the same as my role, revealing my class title and leaving him the oppurtunity of an out.
3)He reveals the last detail of the class proving to me he's a scout also.

It's true, there could well be two classes with the exact same abilities, I just don't think he would have acted in the way he did if he was a hunter/ranger or whatever.

and if you read the thread you will realise i have just cast my first vote.

Which is on the first person who is voted for other then yourself...

 

[fl3a]

not really, the first person other than me to get a vote was tohtori.

 

[Levin]

That's why i answered it. It may not be always, but it is regarding your question. Which i answered. No need to get like that.

Ah sorry. I thought you meant that there are "never" any vigilantes with just one or two shots. My apologies.

About the two of each class thing. I wouldn't have thought there would be more than one of each either before the game started - but obviously there is! Are you going to punish fellow albs for something we can't do anything about? What the hell are we supposed to do about it? I've come clear with my role, stating I am indeed a mercenary. Why would I say anything at all if I was an invader??? Obviously the best tactic right now is keeping your mouth shut. I don't want to reveal my special ability so as not to give the mids/hibs extra information, but if you are going to force me just to prove a point, I will. Not that i'm sure how much that would prove since the other merc is dead.

So.. fine. Zerg Kirennia. Zerg me. Whatever. I still think there are way too many quiet people here who are probably enjoying the usual show of active people battering eachother.

 

[kirennia]

So far completely inactive in this thread :

Marc (has an excuse, he's away)
Rubric
ECA

so MOD PROD:RUBRIC/ECA

 

[kirennia]

not really, the first person other than me to get a vote was tohtori.

Fair point actually, while looking through the thread I completely missed my own vote on him, lol.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't know if Levin is or isn't hib/mid, but you have to see why i have to keep my vote on kirennia right?

Think of it yourself:

You say who you are.
Someone else claims they are the same.
You tell some info on the class that you only could know.
This someone claims that they were "just testing you".

What would you do?

 

[kirennia]

I don't know if Levin is or isn't hib/mid, but you have to see why i have to keep my vote on kirennia right?

Think of it yourself:

You say who you are.
Someone else claims they are the same.
You tell some info on the class that you only could know.
This someone claims that they were "just testing you".

What would you do?

That's not it at all...

You said who you were
I said no you weren't because I am.
I leave you the option to disclose the last piece of info
You give that last piece of info
I feel secure you're who you say you are and retract my statement.

As I say, I wish I had've said 'tell me the last part of the class' but hindsight is a bastard like that.

And do you not think that after you'd disclosed that, if I were a hib/mid i'd have carried on and just called bullshit on the final comment?

 

[kirennia]

Can't edit...replace 'the final comment' with 'your final comment'

 

[Howley]

I don't know if Levin is or isn't hib/mid, but you have to see why i have to keep my vote on kirennia right?

Think of it yourself:

You say who you are.
Someone else claims they are the same.
You tell some info on the class that you only could know.
This someone claims that they were "just testing you".

What would you do?

ya ur right toh i think..

ok now im very suspicious of Kirennia because he seemed to get very passive towards toh when toh came out with some 'facts' about the scout class meaning kir was only pretending and wanted to slip in under the radar as an alb but was caught out...
zerg:kirennia

 

[kirennia]

So once again being open with a role gets someone killed for nothing. In future games I'll learn to only post once every 4 days like some others...

ya ur right toh i think..

ok now im very suspicious of Kirennia because he seemed to get very passive towards toh when toh came out with some 'facts' about the scout class meaning kir was only pretending and wanted to slip in under the radar as an alb but was caught out...
zerg:kirennia

Once again, I put it to you that you'd do the exact same in my situation.

When someone claims to have the same role as you in what was thought to be a game with unique roles, you call them on it.

With unknown roles, when someone discloses the final part of your role, you tend to beleive they share the same role...

Hence the vote then unvote. If I was trying to get him hanged I would've carried on calling him a liar.

 

[kirennia]

Just noticed, Marc is in the forums...why the silence?

 

[Howley]

So once again being open with a role gets someone killed for nothing. In future games I'll learn to only post once every 4 days like some others...



Once again, I put it to you that you'd do the exact same in my situation.

When someone claims to have the same role as you in what was thought to be a game with unique roles, you call them on it.

With unknown roles, when someone discloses the final part of your role, you tend to beleive they share the same role...

Hence the vote then unvote. If I was trying to get him hanged I would've carried on calling him a liar.

maybe but i think both of u seem suspicious atm however coz u seemed to back down very quickly (tho u did explain it) thats why i zerged u and not him..

 

[kirennia]

maybe but i think both of u seem suspicious atm however coz u seemed to back down very quickly (tho u did explain it) thats why i zerged u and not him..

So you'd continue to vote a lynch on someone you know to be innocent?

I was watching the forums at the time, saw his responce and unvoted accordingly. You're effectively saying because I'm very active it makes me look more guilty...

 

[Howley]

So you'd continue to vote a lynch on someone you know to be innocent?

I was watching the forums at the time, saw his responce and unvoted accordingly. You're effectively saying because I'm very active it makes me look more guilty...

nah im not zerging an innocent well.. at least not trying to but i dont think iceforge would include two scouts and unfortunately as it stands it seems toh put up a better argument but still lots more ppl have to vote and loads of time for me to unvote or switch...