Off-topic Mafia #5 Special Game Thread #2

[Iceforge]

(Levin = They was called "Brittle Guards")

Zerg Count:
Zerg #1

Fl3a - 2 - (Old.Tohtori, Olgaline)
No Zerg - 2 - (English, Vasconcelos)

Not voting: 10 (Fl3a, Kirennia, Calo, Marc, Invisibletank, Lethul, Rubric, Gohan, ECA, Levin)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to Zerg

 

[fl3a]

if you read the post, i didnt say that i was a nightkilling class, just that i have immunity at night. why do you think they go together?
i guess theres people other than me around that are still wondering, what exactly is this information you have. i have made my case against you, poorly as it may, while your reasoning for my scum-ness, as of now, seems to be only that i am too candid about my role.

 

[fl3a]

heh nerf, forgot to press post and levin & iceforge posted before me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Can't say anything about Levins post as it's semi-gibberish(too much daoc talk there). But can say that i think i misunderstood your post then fl3a. Because you brought up the nightkill ability, and the nightkill immunity ability, when no abilities are in the "clear", i thought they went hand in hand.

Must be mistaken then.

But i do have to say, why do you assume i tried to kill you? Maybe i simply don't want to tell too much about my class because it's not really a good diea to give the enemy too much info. Much as you.

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way, the case i'm making against you is simply based on the info i got night 0 and until something else comes up, ofcourse i have to go with the info i got.

 

[fl3a]

i have no reason to believe (thinking about daoc classes) that there is a 'cop' class, while i know for fact there are nightkillers (knowing for fact that i am immune to it). the best theory is the one that needs least assumptions to make it true. 'person tried to kill me, person failed, person now sets me as target'.
much simpler, than 'person has investigative ability, person is on albions side, person investigates me, person lucks out and manages to investigate an invader, person sets me as target'

 

[old.Tohtori]

i have no reason to believe (thinking about daoc classes) that there is a 'cop' class, while i know for fact there are nightkillers (knowing for fact that i am immune to it). the best theory is the one that needs least assumptions to make it true. 'person tried to kill me, person failed, person now sets me as target'.
much simpler, than 'person has investigative ability, person is on albions side, person investigates me, person lucks out and manages to investigate an invader, person sets me as target'

Well yes, if you think it from that angle, then yes, it would be much more simpler. But i don't think the classes are that "strict", ofcourse some form of confirmation on what can and can't be done by the classes would be nice, rest is rather, well, assuming and that's a bad way to go.

Also, it could be simplified also to "person investigates, person finds out x is hib, person tries to get hib hung". No?

But seeing as, we had two kills over night, don't you think it would be REALLY unlikely for me to be a nightkiller?

If people want, i can give out my class at full, but i'd rather not as it's rather risky at best.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Also, have to say from what you've posted, you've not said against you being an invader either. Ofcourse it's moot to claim such a thing, but i'm just thinking out loud here.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And also, i have to say that while i tried to come "half way" with you, try to ask and maybe clear my own mistakes about accusing you, you're still hellbent on accusing me as a nightkiller. What up?

 

[fl3a]

Also, it could be simplified also to "person investigates, person finds out x is hib, person tries to get hib hung". No?

for me that would mean assuming that there is an investigative ability in play.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Well, is a matter of confirming that your indeed an Alb.

Remember guys that we are the good guys and Mids/Hibs are the scum (no matter how much you like your blademaster or your shaman )

After reading all the post, none of you made it clear which side you are.

What I find odd is the 2 nightkills. Options:

- each of the scum squads made his nightkill, 1 from mids and 1 from hibs
- one of the kills came from scum and the other from a nightkil class
- both came from nightkill classes

I'd go for option 1 as the most probably: is logical that each scum teams would try to get their 1st kill asap, they know each other and the only thing they may encounter is a nightkill inmune class (by ability or protected). AND..., if I were a nightkill class I'd rather hold till the game evolutions before making my 1st choice tbh, since I'd wouldnt have any idea of whom to target.

Option 2 seems very probable too, but if i consider my theory about nightkill classes behaviour on night one, i end up discarding this option.

Option 3 for me is the least probably and least logical. Would mean nightkill classes didnt encountered any protected or inmune targets, and that none of the scum squads picked a target.

I think we have a nightkill class with the objetive of being the last man standing.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think there's the probability of A: All realms having a killing class. B: Hib/mid having a "vote" possbility.

This would mean that either there's only one hib/mid nightkiller, or that they have only one and both succeeded(the other being the vote kill) and that the alb nightkiller didn't get a kill in or didn't kill anyone.

Hard to explain what i mean, but i think:

Alb has a nightkiller.
Mid/hib has a nightkiller and can also vote someone for a kill.
Both succeeded.
Alb nightkiller didn't succeed or didn't kill.

I can say i'm alb, but ofcourse there's no way for me to confirm it, but i am.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And since i promised myself this time to be as disclosed and honest as i can, i'm the nightkiller for alb, i tried to kill fl3a, but it didn't work. I'm immune to nightkills also, that's why i thought of fl3a being one of the nasties as they do seem to go hand in hand.

This will most likely bite me in the behind but, what'cha gonna do.

 

[Levin]

I think we know way too little here to make any assumptions at all. It all seems rather stacked against the albs.

Do the hibs and mids know about eachother? As in, do the hibs know who the mids are and vice versa? And do they cooperate? Also, I don't think we should really talk about "night kill" classes here since all the hibs and mids can kill during the "night" period.. they don't have to be nightshades or shadowblades. If you guys are talking some kind of serial killer/vigilante roles, then disregard what I said. Lone killers would probably be one of the stealth classes.. or hey, perhaps a crazy necromancer or vampiir?

Also, I have no idea what this will do, but I will put it out there just to shed some light. I'm a mercenary (that's alb for those who didn't play daoc) with a special ability that I rather not disclose right now.

P.S. Thanks Iceforge, it was doing my head in! I had lots of those little guys with my theurgist!

 

[Levin]

Ah, tohtori, you posted while I was posting. I think i understand your thinking better then.

But with the two nightkills, it could just mean that hibs vote-killed one, and mids the other? There does not have to be any special extra-night-killer roles among them. Or at least I bloody hope not! I think it's just a matter of them being two "packs" just like in werewolf or mafia games with two packs/families. Each pack/family (or "evil realm" in this case) makes a kill per night.

Oh and Tohtori, It doesn't really matter if you say which class you are now.. the main thing that you might have wanted to keep secret was the alb nightkiller role, and you've already said that now. And if you actually are, it certainly explains why you'd think fl3a is a "nightkill" class too of a different realm.

So if you're both albs as you say.. why don't you give us your classes? I've already given mine for your scrutiny.

 

[fl3a]

levin, nice and convenient with claiming a class that died in the morning of day 1 - after all, there probably arent more than 2 mercenaries, which means you wont be called out on your ability by a third mercenary.
i actually doubt that, with the amount of classes in daoc and with the amount of players in this game there are multiple members of a single class. i believe everyone is their own class, with other realm equalivents maybe.
tohtori, i am not hellbent on accusing you, im sorry if it came out that way. if what you say (about being the 'vigilante' of alb) is true then i guess i was correct about you in my first post, i was just going after you because of the same reason you were going after me - lack of other targets.

 

[kirennia]

Right, I'm gonna be as open as I possibly can be this game as I think this is a good confirmation as to my role.

I am a scout...I am not only immune to night kills but also chose to kill someone during the night time as well. I have to admit here, I originally chose not to kill anyone but as the 'night' drew on and I realised gravi- was afk from the forums for 9 days, so I got pissed off and decided to get rid of him to speed up the game. Tbh, don't join the game if you're gonna potentially hold people up by over a week and not say anything about it. If you view the forums a lot but don't post, sorry but everyonelse I saw had posted when Ice said he was awaiting confirmations.

It is my fault we're an extra alb down for which I apologise.

From what has been said, English/vasconc, why on earth would you vote for a no lynch when there were potentially two groups of people killing making us able to lose very quickly. A no lynch would have just lost us two more and even if at the following day a person is uncovered as hib/mid, we'd still have lost 4people (2this night, 2that) just to get 1 person.

For this reason, I'm suspicious of both of your motives but not enough to want to lynch you. As it turns out, it looks as though there is a normal mafia type of setup with me being a serial killer with added nighttime immunity. Other abilities are inevitably around but only two people died at night so unless another night immune person was targetted, a no kill vote was cast or a doctor played a part, it's just one kill per night from now unless I kill someonelse which tbh, I'll only be doing with severe inactivity and not notifying the rest of us why.

For the time being I'm not going to post anything but more input from people, especially those quiet thus far (I'm guilty too, sorry....had a 30min presentation to do this morning) would be helpful.

 

[kirennia]

And since i promised myself this time to be as disclosed and honest as i can, i'm the nightkiller for alb, i tried to kill fl3a, but it didn't work. I'm immune to nightkills also, that's why i thought of fl3a being one of the nasties as they do seem to go hand in hand.

This will most likely bite me in the behind but, what'cha gonna do.

I call bullshit... Here is our first hib/mid. I severely doubt alb are going to have been given two nightkill classes so for this reason

VOTE: OLD.TOHTORI

 

[Howley]

i went out last night so just up
i think the idea of alb having the ability of a nightkill is a bit weird and surely! there arent 2 alb classes along with Xnumber of hibs/mids that can do it.. this would really make the game tricky coz if they cant be nightkilled from what kir and toh (if 1 or both arent lying) are saying then the casters, healers, tanks are just going to get killed off really quickly which sucks.

atm im not voting coz if we vote for an alb and then another 2+ more albs drop at night then the games already over... but toh u do seem to be a bit everywhere atm :touch:

 

[Calo]

Dunno what to believe

IF thot is the infil(alb nightkiller) and kir is the scout (seems also a night killer) then surely both mid and hibs have 2 nightkillers also (or atleast 1).

Makes the game go over pretty soon i think.

Seems also a bit unfair that all of you are immune to nightkills. Surely the other classes must have atleast the same kind of powers?

Good guess there are healers around who can protect other people.

 

[Lethul]

Hm, most intresting so far that have come up is that both toth and kirennia claiming to be the nightkiller. So far i think Kirennia sounds more beliveable. Having two nightkillers would seem abit "to much".

 

[Levin]

levin, nice and convenient with claiming a class that died in the morning of day 1 - after all, there probably arent more than 2 mercenaries, which means you wont be called out on your ability by a third mercenary.
i actually doubt that, with the amount of classes in daoc and with the amount of players in this game there are multiple members of a single class. i believe everyone is their own class, with other realm equalivents maybe.
tohtori, i am not hellbent on accusing you, im sorry if it came out that way. if what you say (about being the 'vigilante' of alb) is true then i guess i was correct about you in my first post, i was just going after you because of the same reason you were going after me - lack of other targets.

Fl3a, even if i had remembered that one of the dead'uns was a merc, I would still have said I'm a merc, simply because I am!

And how is that "convenient" for me? If anything, it would be harder to claim a role that someone else has already been proven to be? Just as you say, there probably aren't more than 2 mercenaries so it would be mighty stupid of me to claim to be one if i'm not! Also, if i was going to claim a role i'm not - i would rather claim to be something that is nightkill immune just to keep the hordes of nightkillers off of me.

About the Kirennia/Tohtori situation. I don't find it entirely impossible that alb would have two "vigilantes" (that's basicly what they're saying they are). It's quite common in large games like this, seeing that we're still facing two groups of bad guys! It's not impossible at all that Kirennia killed one by mistake, mids killed another and that hibs tried to kill a nightkill immune person (switch mids/hibs as needed).

All this said, we also have mister Fl3a who claims to be nightkill immune but still hasn't claimed a class. So which class are you Fl3a?

 

[Levin]

By the way, Kirennia and Tohtori. Do you have any nightkills left, or are you all "spent" ?

 

[kirennia]

I'm good to go, just gotta wait for the sun to go down ... if Tohtori isn't lynched today, I'm more then tempted to target him tonight as I don't beleive he's going to have the exact same role as me AND be an alb.

2 night killers a possibility? sure
2 night killers on the same team....erm....
2 night killers both with night immunities too? I don't think so.

 

[Calo]

By the way, Kirennia and Tohtori. Do you have any nightkills left, or are you all "spent" ?

Don't forget that there are healers. Some people might be night immune, some might be protected by a doc etc.. And if alb has 2 nightkillers you can be sure that Both mid and hib have atleast 1.

 

[fl3a]

levin, if you claim to be a class that someone else is, and claim to have abilities different from them they (and people that he has won over to his side) will know you to be scum. but as the other mercenary is dead, he cant reveal you to be lying, thus, good choice for a lie, if you are lying. you so wisely didnt reveal your ability. which is a good move for now, no matter if you are lying or not.

and if you need to know, i am a necromancer. i would rather not disclose my other ability at this time.

 

[Calo]

Bit of a shame we didn't get more info on the dead sorcerer and merc.

What abilities they had etc.

 

[Levin]

Oohh.. i bet the necromancer can bring dead people back to life! Or hmm actually that would be the clerics/friars/heretics job. Anyway, a necromancer sounds useful, as long as he's really working for the team!

And yes I see what you mean then Fl3a about the abilities. But as you say, I wouldn't reveal my special ability right now anyway, and I bet the other merc wouldn't either if he were alive. So it's a little bit of a moot point you're making, even if i can see it.

Kirennia, I really don't think it's all that impossible for there to be two albion nightkillers even if they are also immune to nightkills themselves. And I don't think the mids/hibs have extra nightkillers. There might be some kind of rogue nightkiller out there (equivalent of serial killer) but i don't think the mids/hibs can kill more than 2 per night.

Heh, maybe there's a "Crazed GM" skulking around with the ability to BAN people.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well that's really interesting for kirennia to claim that, since i'm the bloody Scout and came clean about it.

Also my "proof" lies in what i said earlier, about accusing fl3a bcause i couldn't kill him and thinking that it seemed logical for him to be of a similar class.

unzerg: fl3a
Zerg: kirennia

Why? Because i doubt very much kirennia is the scout as it's my role. It's only REALLY logical for me to do so. And also, becaue i now see that my reasoning for zerging fl3a is flawed as there might be other classes with that ability too.

It's easier for kirennia to vote me and call bull 'cause i claimed it before. But also, i couldn't possibly know this and why on earth would i claim a role when SO many people haven't said a word.

I claim only my role, because i know i'm the scout, otherwise it would be really stupid to claim that because so many could counter me.

I know kirennia is after me, and reasons are pretty clear as he's not a scout(unless there's two, which i doubt) but the ruling is in the people and only a zerg will clear any confusion.

If you can't decide who's speaking the truth, well, for me i can say two things: I came out with it, and with reason to show my theory. And even IF you believe kirennia, he's already caused us a loss.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Also, i can prove i'm the scout with one additional info on the class that kirennia has not said.

I need one less vote to be hanged.

I couldn't, by any means, know this if i wasn't the scout.