Off-topic Mafia #4 game thread

[Iceforge]

Question:

can a roleblocker block the Cop? and how would that work

Actually that is a good question and it is actually not adressed in any of the mod guides I read and the thought had not occured to me yet.
It really is a case about information slipping. Either the cop gets a false read, which can completely screw up the game and make the roleblocker even more powerfull or the cop would know that the mafia has a roleblocker.
This is actually only a problem because I run closed setup games where people don't know which roles are present in the game before it begins.
I think the last option is the best, where the cop then KNOWS that someone is a roleblocker, as it does not provide much more power to the cop. If he shares this information, the roleblocker will and hence mafia will know he is a cop, so unless he has already claimed or planning to do so, the information is quite useless.

To shorten it up: If a roleblocker blocks the cop, the cop get's told he could not get a read on the suspect at all.

 

[- English -]

tbh i dont care anymore, ive got a feeling whos mafia and whos not, pure based upon how people are acting against me as i know im innocent. To me its knowing at the end of the game who realised who was who. If you vote me off so be it, you will find im a townie and you wont get anywhere closer. /shrug, will post when im sober 2morrow

 

[Olgaline]

ok cheers for the answer Iceforge,

I'm still confused as to the lack of confirmation on English's claim about the author text from the night.

 

[Olgaline]

MOD:

I have a feeling English sharing the info that he pm'ed Iceforge is abit of a breach on the rules ?

yet still I'd like to have some sort of "confirmation" now that the rule has been breach ?anyway

My reason for this is, that if he indeed is telling the truth, he might end up lynched due to this technicallity.

note: If he indeed is telling the truth doesn't nessesarily mean is innocent in anyway, but if it was a lie...well then it's a defining moment really...wich imo needs adressing

 

[Iceforge]

MOD:

I have a feeling English sharing the info that he pm'ed Iceforge is abit of a breach on the rules ?

yet still I'd like to have some sort of "confirmation" now that the rule has been breach ?anyway

My reason for this is, that if he indeed is telling the truth, he might end up lynched due to this technicallity.

note: If he indeed is telling the truth doesn't nessesarily mean is innocent in anyway, but if it was a lie...well then it's a defining moment really...wich imo needs adressing

Paraphrasing anything from a PM at any time is alright

Making stuff up about communication with the GM is alright

Quoting the GM is modkill = person suddenly dies

You want confirmation? Of what? I will not confirm or disconfirm anything in relations to roleclaims by any player at any time as we play with closed setups and me doing either will reveal information about the game that is not my position to be revealing, but for the players to figure out.

I try to remain objective to the game and not interfer. If any player at any point felts targetted by me in any way (except when responding to questions like now) it is always a result of random.org, to let it be chance and not my judgement that decides, as player can use my judgement to figure out intent and hence reveal game information from me that is not for me to disclose.

I know this is a vague response and I feel borderline responding at all, as this is dangerously close to what I want to avoid, but I don't think me not answering such a direct question would be wise either.

Hope this, while not answering what you want answered, will satisfy your need for asking me.

 

[Levin]

Well, sleeping didn't help much.. I'm still confused and I REALLY don't want another innocent to hang today.

Olgaline, you did a pretty interesting analysis of people (especially English), but what of Kirennia and Lethul?

Anyway, as I see it I think Tohtori and Cerb are totally innocent. I don't think they have an elaborate mafia plan, simply because I've been able to tell Cerb really wasn't on the forums at all for four days in a row (I checked his "last post" on the 20th and it said he last posted on the 16th) before he finally posted one post to apologize... but my thinking is that with this kind of absense he wouldn't have been able to plan stuff like this with Tohtori anyway. He's simply too inactive. Of course it's possible that Toht planned it all by himself then, but I still find it most likely that Cerb really has been absent as hell, and Tohtori protected him for just that reason, knowing the mafia's targetting pattern.

SO, with that out of the way. It's been proven that the very inactive people aren't mafia. It's been proven (well as much as one can prove anything in this) that at least one loudmouth (Tohtori) is a doc. Thus, I think we need to look for the mafia in those who remain in the "middle" so to speak.. it will only be a matter of how we define "middle".

I think we need to think opposite to what Vasconcelos called Occam's Razor (sp?). I think we need to look at people who are the least suspect. I have no flipping idea how we're going to be able to uncover anything about them other than taking nasty risks by lynching, so all this leaves is really is a horrible situation. It feels like we can't win this one. Kind of like the odds are stacked in mafia's favour from the very beginning here. On top of that, it seems that whenever someone becomes mafia, they sharpen up and play this game very carefully. Vanilla townies tend to act a little more reckless or not acting at all, from what I've observed.

And I still want to know what a superpowered useless townie does. I can't find its description on the wiki pages, and supposedly there is a chance we have one in this town.

 

[Olgaline]

Ok thanks Iceforge, and yes you answered my question fully.

as for the Idea that It's was a plot gone wrong by levin/english,
having slept on it, it dosnt make much sence. as the doc "if he is the doc"
could very easily counter claim this and say i never protected levin.

But If toht actually did protect cerb, and Iceforge actually did write the storyline, then why the part about levin ?

but your right, i dont have much of a clue when it comes to lethul & Kirennia

 

[- English -]

ive noticed u suddenly became active Olgaline.....

 

[Olgaline]

and as by magic I might go inactive again at any time..?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Lot of text, lot of hangover.

*rubs eyes*

Everyone ahs raised alot of good points, which doesn't really help, as now everyone looks alot more suspicious or not, compared to yesterday, when it was a lot clearer on who's who.

Lethul, about your idea that it's a mafia plan, i think i said something about it earlier, not sure. In any case, yes, it's always possible for people to come up with stuff in this town and outright lie. But you can also twist anything anyone sayes into a mafia plot.

Like, i could say kirennia is mafia because he has the letter A in the end of his name like in mafiA. The thing thats personal, is what you think for yourself. But like i said, we need to stop thinking for ourselves and think for the town.

Of all the information, i'm thinking lethul could very well be mafia, as per vote, but english isn't far behind. But i don't really have anything concrete there, just suspicions and loose theories on behaviour. And i've just got this nagging feeling in the back of ym head that any vote will just end up the same and more vanilla into the grave. Ofcourse, can't let that stop voting, as it would mean a slow death.

If levin is mafia, like i said ways back, he's really good at it. Same with olgaline, which is really scary.

 

[Levin]

Okay guys, here's an idea.

We are all pretty much agreed on that Tohtori is the doctor, right? So how about we follow his vote, whatever it may be. That way, we know there's a very slim chance that we get a mafia-induced lynching today. I'm more comfortable knowing we lynch someone that a known townie picked. Would you be alright with that, Tohtori? Basicly we elect Toht "town elder" and let him decide who to lynch.

Interestingly, this idea would probably be bad for the mafia so I expect some people to say "no". Or maybe not, since they don't want to look like mafia. Hehehehe. Evil, aint it?

 

[Levin]

Oh and if we go through with this, Tohtori should protect himself during the nights. We'll need his lead during the days to come as well.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, i don't have a problem with it per say, but i'm not sure i want to take full responsibility for the hangings. Afterall, i'm only human(ish) too and i too can make mistakes.

 

[Olgaline]

well as i said earlier, I'm incliened to follow toht.
but I cant help thinking what if! ssadly tho' atm he's our best bet,
and if he actually is mafia and there is no doc, then hats off to toht tbh
as that will mean he won the game with a single daring move

 

[Cerb]

Read up the posts some and while im n ot sure either lethul or english are mafia some good points are being raised against the,...they arnt my prime suspects so to speak but could be mafia but not as "obvious" ones in my eyes......so im going to have a go with
Vote:English
because for me to vote for lethul for being quiet would be completly hypocritical and also i thin english seems a bit suspect

edited just for a spelling mistake in my vote sry

 

[Cerb]

just thought about me saying "hes suspect" and thought this isnt really a proper explanation so theres 2 reasons i think this
1. he keeps trying on purpose or not to put people in a position so that if they vote for him or not they look guilty anyway Eg toht and levin

2. well his voting pattern just kinda gives me this feeling in my waters as ole grandpa used to say and we all know he drove the mafia outa this town when they came nigh on 50 years ago now!

 

[Iceforge]

Votecount
Day: Day 4

Olgaline - 1 - (Vasconcelos)
English - 3 - (Levin, Kirennia, Cerb)
Lethul -3 - (Calo, Old.Tohtori, Engish)
Calo -1 - (Lethul)

Not Voted Yet: 1 - (Olgaline)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

[Olgaline]

Vote: Lethul

 

[Levin]

Unvote: English

Tohtori, no last changes on your vote then? I wouldn't suspect Lethul myself, but I've said I'd follow you and I will unless you call it off.

 

[Olgaline]

unvote: Lethul

Deside I'm going to read all 32 pages first

 

[Olgaline]

well i have to say that if you'r Mafia lethul you sure are hidding it well, having read up on both game 3 and game 4 so far, I'm no longer all that convinced that you indeed are mafia..



English: Since you've been so keen on refering to the last game, I'd point out that you're actually playing almost an identical tactic this time, is this a coinsidant or ...?
I'm not yet convinced of your innocence tbh

If I'm shown to be wrong then I'm sorry, but imo either way this Author buissnes is cause for more confusion than clarity for my part at least.

So if for no other reason than to rid the game of that, all tho I feel that there is plenty of reason to suspec him

Vote: English

 

[Lethul]

i really hope Tohtori ain't playing us all

Unvote, Vote: -English-

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not a 100% sure about Lethul, but thought i'd stick with my vote until something told me otherwise. As i've said, i think English is innocent, and honestly i think it would be a mistake to hang him, but as i'm not a 100% sure about anyone, i can't say not to do it either.

I have to stick with my vote, as i believe Lethul to be more of a suspect then English.

 

[Levin]

Vote: Lethul

Following Tohtori's vote.

 

[Vasconcelos]

I'd like to know the reasoning behind voting Lethul as he is on my safe list and would like to know if my logic is flawled. Still, my suspect nº1 is Olga, been too quiet (cept last day) and formal...

 

[Olgaline]

well, i still think Enlish is ....

but at least this clarifies a few things,
so as i see it atm we have a situaltion of toht/levin/english
or lethul/vasc + ?

but lets see shall we ?

vote: Lethul

 

[Olgaline]

but just for the record i still say english is mafia
i fear it'll end a case of curiosity killed the cat

 

[Levin]

well, i still think Enlish is ....

but at least this clarifies a few things,
so as i see it atm we have a situaltion of toht/levin/english
or lethul/vasc + ?

but lets see shall we ?

vote: Lethul

What's your reason for thinking Tohtori is not the doctor? Or if you do believe he is the doctor, does that mean you are then saying "toht/levin/english" are all innocent?

It sounds like you are reluctantly 'going with the flow' here just to cover your bases.

 

[Olgaline]

hardly

I gave my reasons as to why I thought we should vote for english but as it seems
clear that we were at a stand off vote count wise i've desided to go with the flow.

even tho I'm unsure, but one of the two wa the best bet so even tho i was more incliened to vorte english, lethul isnt a bad choice either.

my reasonling is that it in many ways seems a stand off between the english and lethul
with both thier supporters, as for toht, well. your right, but then again as I've mentioned before, who's to say it's not a gamble on his behalf, "I wasnt going to mention this due to not wanting to give away any "good" idea's but tbh if was to fake a role it would be just that, especially with the apparent lack of a cop. think about it

as for you well. you seem to nevr take the first step into daring to acuse anyone and as off yet´you've been late to vote, but not too late as to cause suspecion, kept your hands vey clean so to speak and preaty friendly with all, wich well, in it self is casuse for suspecion imo..

you want to acuse me ? heh sure feel free, but if i'm mafia, then tell me this, who's my accomplis? or am i a lone vigelanty mafiose ?

 

[- English -]

i really hope Tohtori ain't playing us all

Unvote, Vote: -English-

Couldn't be more obvious imo that your mafia