Off-topic Mafia #4 game thread

[old.Tohtori]

Damn no edit rule...

Also forgot to say, that as i said many times, if Levin is mafia, he's played one helluva game as i just can't see him being one. Same goes with Olgaline, which, in itself, is suspicion enough. I've stated these before, but me pointing a finger at olgaline for being reasonable and logical, would look EXTREMELY bad.

 

[Olgaline]

I am abit disapointed by the people who have been inactive mearly due to having resived vanilla roles :s

 

[Levin]

I am abit disapointed by the people who have been inactive mearly due to having resived vanilla roles :s

If there are any such people, then yes I am disappointed with them too. I prefer to think they're sneaky mafia though. If we lynch them, we win either way!

 

[Levin]

Forgot to add: I mean we win either way - either the game because we lynch mafia, or win in the long run because in future games people will know better than to sign up for a game and then not participate!

 

[old.Tohtori]

If there are any such people, then yes I am disappointed with them too. I prefer to think they're sneaky mafia though. If we lynch them, we win either way!

But, the thing is, mafia have culled out these quiet ones every single night.

So are we to assume the talky ones are safe from mafia, but not eachother?

If things go as they have, IF, then next night some of the quiet ones will bite the bullet again.

 

[Lethul]

Also, if -English- is author he tried to get rid of me after the first night cycle without much reason at all (i assume that the message after the hanging had something to do with an author). And he is trying to use the author card as a "get out of jail free" kinda card. And he haven't even commented the fact that mafia can be either. I think I'm gonna stick with my vote on him

 

[- English -]

Listen. I swear on my mother's life that I am a vanilla townie. Alright? Last game I was a cop and we ended up busting you. You know I was just as active then as I am now. So me being active is NOT a sign of anything. Possibly you might suspect me being mafia if I was LESS active, but.. really!

Ok, you have just won my vote. And if you are lying, shame on you. I also can say I swear on my Familys life I am the Author Vanilla Townie. Believe me now? I think its time we get down to business!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Interesting.

English has been avid in blaming Levin, all the time, even if "on the fence" about amanita and even switching back and forth with me, now "suddenly" English believes Levin?

Might not mean nothing, but then again that applies to all.

 

[- English -]

Interesting.

English has been avid in blaming Levin, all the time, even if "on the fence" about amanita and even switching back and forth with me, now "suddenly" English believes Levin?

Might not mean nothing, but then again that applies to all.

I dont believe you though, you have been after me for the last few days now. I believe you see my plan to be true, and are trying to get the bagonwagon to follow you.

If Levin is lying after what he has said, i feel sorry for him. Could you copy what me and Levin have said Toht, or would you not lie against your family.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I dont believe you though, you have been after me for the last few days now. I believe you see my plan to be true, and are trying to get the bagonwagon to follow you.

After you? I haven't even voted you, let alone told other people to vote for you.

I've been after people, sure, as much as anyone else, but i've done WAY more to hang other people and let you rather alone on this.

I've pointed out "interesting" things about every statement that i find a bit odd, and especially towards suspicious changes in devotion to hang someone.

Not to mention i haven't started a bandwagon all game, if i have, not by intent.

I could tell you exactly how my role goes in this game, but for now it's better to keep it as vague as possible to avoid giving mafia any info on people.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If Levin is lying after what he has said, i feel sorry for him. Could you copy what me and Levin have said Toht, or would you not lie against your family.

About this, no, i owuldn't, but that's because i have a bit more respect then to use my family and their lives as leverage in a GAME.

 

[- English -]

About this, no, i owuldn't, but that's because i have a bit more respect then to use my family and their lives as leverage in a GAME.

Ive nothing to hide. I know im 110% innocent and feel no guilt about this. Id never do this, I have respect of my family as well so Its quite insulting you say that. I was kinda hoping you wouldn't say it though. Its just adding to the factor that you are looking more suspicous by the post to me.

And to say you haven't been after me. I think you have quoted everything I say and try to prove me wrong. I think you KNOW im innocent, but still want me out the game, for some supicious reason.

 

[kirennia]

Listen. I swear on my mother's life that I am a vanilla townie. Alright?

Ok, you have just won my vote. And if you are lying, shame on you. I also can say I swear on my Familys life I am the Author Vanilla Townie. Believe me now? I think its time we get down to business!

Once again, sorry for not having posted recently, shall be more active from now on as I can sit up at my computer for longer stretches of time.

At the risk of sounding guilty, I'm going to point blank refuse to follow this trend of swearing on family members lives; while yes, it's going to guarantee us victory in every game unless someone actually swears a family member to die, I just don't think it's a very nice way to play a GAME. Maybe you didn't think it through before doing it but how is this any better then installing radar on daoc, aimbots on FPS's or anything; if anything, in the context of this game it's worse because you're making people swear for a family member to die in order to win.

Look, I'm not superstitious, I don't beleive that people are actually going to die if someone does lie but personally I just have more respect for my loved ones then to wager on their life; whether the wager is true or not doesn't matter, it's the principle of the whole thing.


I was unsure who to vote for but my mind has been made up purely on the basis of bad conduct this round. Whether you're telling the truth or not (I really hope you were for your sake) my vote sticks as:

VOTE:LEVIN

Voting for levin over english as he started it. I don't even care about winning anymore, personally I think it's a hollow victory to win in this manner anyway. Oh and just to clarify that I was indeed in hospital, no pic of gruesome wounds or such, the injection bruise on the back of my hand should be proof enough, not that it proves my innocence anyway but it should show that I'm at least not making the thing up:

Spoiler

 

[Iceforge]

Votecount:
Day: Day 3

English - 2 - (Vasconcelos, Lethul)
Amanita - 2 - (Levin, Olgaline)
Levin - 2 - (Amanita, Kirennia)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (English)
Lethul - 1 - (Calo)

Not voted yet: 2 (Old.Tohtori, Cerb)

With 10 alive, it take 6 to lynch

Also I received a question through PM about Ethics/morals about swearing on other peoples lives.
Some people might be uncomfortable with a online forum game going to such an extreme whatever they would have to lie or not to swear on the same thing.
Going to request people not to go that far. This is not meant as an attack against those who has done so already, as I believe everybody only acts with good intend. But as these games are for people to have fun, I think it is important to take such things into consideration.
If you feel really strongly against such restrictions, take it up with me in PM and argue for why it should be allowed and don't whine about it here in the thread, as I don't want to see people whining about the one who was offended, as we all got our limits and nobody here would want their own limits exceeded.

EDIT: Damn you Kirennia! Don't vote while I make a votecount!! :touch:

 

[Levin]

About this, no, i owuldn't, but that's because i have a bit more respect then to use my family and their lives as leverage in a GAME.

You're right. In real life it would only be disrespectful if you lied. But as you say this is just a game, and I realize it was perhaps a bit borderline. If everyone was required to swear on their parents' names and such, things would probably get too serious and uncomfortable for many.

There's really not much to discuss about it - I made a mistake. I apologize, and can only hope that this hasn't messed things up.

 

[- English -]

Iceforge are there any morals about people who arent talking in the game?

 

[- English -]

There's really not much to discuss about it - I made a mistake. I apologize, and can only hope that this hasn't messed things up.

ill second this apology, more so aimed at toht for trying to get him to aswell

anyway which fellow townies are coming to the tavern for a beer?

 

[old.Tohtori]

About the morals, heat of the moment, no harm(i believe). Bygones.

And to say you haven't been after me. I think you have quoted everything I say and try to prove me wrong. I think you KNOW im innocent, but still want me out the game, for some supicious reason.

I've been quoting you on the sole purpose that you've been talking. Look back, and notice that it's my method.

I've agree with you on points too.

I may have been a bit defensive about my answers to accusations, but honestly, wouldn't you be?

I refer to my previous statement:

"I haven't even voted you, let alone told other people to vote for you.

I've been after people, sure, as much as anyone else, but i've done WAY more to hang other people and let you rather alone on this."

In my books, you're one of the most innocent people on my list, but at the same time, i'd like some straight answers to some of the rather odd things you've been doing/saying.

What i've contradicted with you, is on the accusations. Look back and look at it from that point of view. I'm just trying to answer your accusations, and at the same time, showing how unfair place you've put me in really.

 

[Levin]

Both Kirennia and Iceforge posted while I posted, so I didn't get a chance to respond to their posts.

Look, I fully understand the issue. I realize it was going too far, and I'm sorry. It has no place in a game like this. Since it can indeed be seen as a way of cheating, I'll readily accept being disqualified or auto-lynched because of it - but I will say one thing, it was not said with ill intent and I certainly did not mean to start a trend. I just didn't think an extra step.

It's not a defense, but i'm really not feeling myself today. Head is everywhere at once and i had a memory lapse earlier, causing me to do the same work twice before i realized i'd already done it. I should probably just be quiet now.

 

[kirennia]

Votecount:
Day: Day 3

English - 2 - (Vasconcelos, Lethul)
Amanita - 2 - (Levin, Olgaline)
Levin - 2 - (Amanita, Kirennia)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (English)
Lethul - 1 - (Calo)

Not voted yet: 2 (Old.Tohtori, Cerb)

With 10 alive, it take 6 to lynch

Also I received a question through PM about Ethics/morals about swearing on other peoples lives.

Don't think there's any problem with people knowing it was me, just came to my computer, saw that and thought hold on a second!

You missed my vote again by the way

You're right. In real life it would only be disrespectful if you lied. But as you say this is just a game, and I realize it was perhaps a bit borderline. If everyone was required to swear on their parents' names and such, things would probably get too serious and uncomfortable for many.

There's really not much to discuss about it - I made a mistake. I apologize, and can only hope that this hasn't messed things up.

Don't think I clarified in my post enough, I don't think you/english did it on purpose, it just happens to be one of those things I've come across in life before and out right always refuse to swear on anyones life.

Was at school of all places, myself and another kid were called to the teacher suspected of kicking in some school lockers. His immediate defence was swearing on his mums life and I point blank refused to do the same (I wasn't asked to but said I wouldn't). As a result, I was given a string of detentions, towards the end of which the teacher had happened to talk with the caretaker who saw the other kid doing it. I was given a lengthy apology and the other guy got a lot more detentions then I did initially. Must be karma or something.

My point is, I don't care if it's going to save me greif, it's something I will never do. And lets face it, every game would be over by the second round if everyone just came out and swore on their roles, hence it would destroy the OT mafia game completely.

No hard feelings or anything but I'm still going to have to keep my vote on you as I'd rather the game be tougher for us from now on instead of us having gained an advantage from this.

 

[- English -]

About the morals, heat of the moment, no harm(i believe). Bygones.



I've been quoting you on the sole purpose that you've been talking. Look back, and notice that it's my method.

I've agree with you on points too.

I may have been a bit defensive about my answers to accusations, but honestly, wouldn't you be?

I refer to my previous statement:

"I haven't even voted you, let alone told other people to vote for you.

I've been after people, sure, as much as anyone else, but i've done WAY more to hang other people and let you rather alone on this."

In my books, you're one of the most innocent people on my list, but at the same time, i'd like some straight answers to some of the rather odd things you've been doing/saying.

What i've contradicted with you, is on the accusations. Look back and look at it from that point of view. I'm just trying to answer your accusations, and at the same time, showing how unfair place you've put me in really.

guess I should be quiet. The mafia are probably laughing while we bicker at each other lol...

I hope thats the case rather than them being inactive.

 

[Levin]

No hard feelings or anything but I'm still going to have to keep my vote on you as I'd rather the game be tougher for us from now on instead of us having gained an advantage from this.

I'm totally down with that. Though, I'd rather be disqualified then, so you may get the chance to lynch someone else instead. Seems fairer to me.

MOD: Can you disqualify me, please? If you do, would it be ok to reveal my alignment too?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Levin, hold your horses a bit.

Let's forget the whole thing, move on, and i'm betting every single one of us can play the game like that never happened.

Change votes if you feel like it, or vote as planned, but just let this go and continue.

Disqualifications always leave a bad taste.

 

[Iceforge]

Iceforge are there any morals about people who arent talking in the game?

If you feel people are inactive, do the following:

Mod: Please prod X, Y and Z

Replace X, Y and Z with people being inactive.

I am to busy to go over to check who is posting actively all the time, it is easier to see when playing rather than moderating. I will then check when the players last posted and if it has been a while, I will send them a PM about responding to me that they haven't forgotten the game. Failure to reply to my PM and become active = modkill (on other sites they use replacements, but as most people interested in playing mafia is already in this game, that tactic is sort of off)

 

[Iceforge]

I'm totally down with that. Though, I'd rather be disqualified then, so you may get the chance to lynch someone else instead. Seems fairer to me.

MOD: Can you disqualify me, please? If you do, would it be ok to reveal my alignment too?

Not going to disqualify someone for crossing other peoples moral lines when it was done without malice intend, Levin.

You apologised and acted very mature about it, so I see no reason you can't keep playing.

Don't feel bad about it either, mistakes like this happens when people with different moral sets interact sometimes, and being mature about it afterwards like you have is the only real thing to do

 

[kirennia]

Gonna forget this happened and carry on how I was intent on voting before it was mentioned

<Closes eyes, waves hand manicly before clicking, opening his eyes and forgetting that...well...what was I doing again?>

UNVOTE
VOTE:ENGLISH

Gonna be voting for you as you seem to be offering a lot of potential ideas of what could be going on, looking like the diplomat while also effectively backing some people into a corner and making them look guilty. Valid tactic for a mafia member which Yourself and I did last game with decent effects; can't help but wonder if you've landed a similar role to last game as you've been bringing up the whole 'I was mafia before so can't be now' issue a bit too much ...

 

[- English -]

Gonna forget this happened and carry on how I was intent on voting before it was mentioned

<Closes eyes, waves hand manicly before clicking, opening his eyes and forgetting that...well...what was I doing again?>

UNVOTE
VOTE:ENGLISH

Gonna be voting for you as you seem to be offering a lot of potential ideas of what could be going on, looking like the diplomat while also effectively backing some people into a corner and making them look guilty. Valid tactic for a mafia member which Yourself and I did last game with decent effects; can't help but wonder if you've landed a similar role to last game as you've been bringing up the whole 'I was mafia before so can't be now' issue a bit too much ...

Lol, im shocked!! Judas he cried lol.

Nah its your opinion at the end of the day. I feel ive done what I can, and after some stern posts in the forum I feel the mob are getting the better of us. Theres not much I can say but I am pleading that you dont hang me! Im innocent, get the copper to prove me or whatever I can do to prove this.

Before I notice the final blow coming in, ill give me last 2 cents on what I think is happening. Im willing to take this blow for the team. Im not sure if my role will continue after I do get bandwagoned, but would be nice if it did.

I ask you once more, rethink you logics!

 

[old.Tohtori]

I've been thinking this ove a few times, on the way home from work, and as such, i've come to a conclusion.

Two things, first;

Vote: amanita

This needs no more explanation. Time this town did something they were going to from the start.

Second, is a bit of an iffy thing. English, i trust you. Not because of the "mishap", but because it seems you're, in your very twisted way, trying to think this towns best interest and try to out the mafia. Quite effectively i believe too. This wasn't sure until later on, hensh the questioning.

All i can say, is that no matter what, and if these people don't English, you'll be around come tomorrow. Call it an intuition, what you will, but i know that mafia will try to kill you the following night.

So, would mafia think i'm a doctor, and go for me.
Or would they go for you?
I might protect you, if i was a doctor.
But then again, i might be protecting myself, to avoid the obvious hit.
Kinda 50/50 for mafia eh?

If i was the doctor that is. Well, atleast i don't have a tardis.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Forgot to add that if i was the doctor, i ofcourse could protect someone else completely and not English or myself, and as such, well, just thought that this town can play mindgames on the mafia too.

 

[- English -]

I've been thinking this ove a few times, on the way home from work, and as such, i've come to a conclusion.

Two things, first;

Vote: amanita

This needs no more explanation. Time this town did something they were going to from the start.

Second, is a bit of an iffy thing. English, i trust you. Not because of the "mishap", but because it seems you're, in your very twisted way, trying to think this towns best interest and try to out the mafia. Quite effectively i believe too. This wasn't sure until later on, hensh the questioning.

All i can say, is that no matter what, and if these people don't English, you'll be around come tomorrow. Call it an intuition, what you will, but i know that mafia will try to kill you the following night.

So, would mafia think i'm a doctor, and go for me.
Or would they go for you?
I might protect you, if i was a doctor.
But then again, i might be protecting myself, to avoid the obvious hit.
Kinda 50/50 for mafia eh?

If i was the doctor that is. Well, atleast i don't have a tardis.

Thanks for those kind words and I can assure you I wont dissapoint you. At the moment, its looking between either me or Amanita to be slain. Perhaps Ill have to bandwagon her, to try save myself, and then come tomorrow I will be dead anyway as the mafia will want to illiminate townies they know of. I can imagine you protecting yourself, although would the mafia want to take a 50/50 chance wasting a night lynch?. Lethul im dissapointed of, voting me as i suspected him, and hes made himself the top of my list atm. Hes also very quiet.

I think you are DOC atm, noone else has confirmed this. But would they want to? Theres always a hidden side to this, perhaps you are trying to play DOC so when the real doc speaks up, you know who he is. However, this would make you prime target next round. This is just a scenario and I aint suggestng anything.

I feel at the moment its my only hope to Unvote you. Ill wait upon peoples oninions before I join the bandwagon. I dont want to vote Amanita really without any real evidance from her suggesting shes ma.

Unvote Tohtori