Nuclear Cleanup in Wales :)

[Cadelin]

Nah, I read them through professional journal subscription. Internets ain't win for everything

Have a look about tho. There's bound to be something. As to its validity...

That's not a problem, just give the journal reference. There aren't any serious physics journals that I won't have access to through CERN.

 

[Tom]

Could you find me anything on Tobacco smoke enemas then, I've run out of decent sources on Jstor.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Cut down a rain forest or two, use the newly aquired plains for wind power and harvest the wind that isn't hindered by trees. Use the trees for smoe lovely burning energy.

What?

 

[rynnor]

The big problem is just how much power we actually use - we used nearly 8MW hours just of electricity last year and we dont even use it for heating.

Multiply that by the general population then throw in commercial/industrial use and you begin to see the scale of the countries energy dependance.

Even if you stick wind turbines on every hill and line the coast with em its simply not enough.

What we really need is a radical way to lower demand.

 

[Wij]

What we really need is a radical way to lower demand.

Invent women who have an insatiable desire to suck cock with the lights out.

 

[Ctuchik]

Massive sea and land wind farms could be built, research into development of existing and new renewable energy's is needed.

wind turbines just isn't cutting it, they produce to little per unit to be a viable energy source. they can't run if its blowing to hard and they won't run if its blowing to little.

 

[Scouse]

That's not a problem, just give the journal reference. There aren't any serious physics journals that I won't have access to through CERN.

Oh cool

You won't have any trouble finding them yourself then, rather than expecting me to remember journal references from ages ago eh?

Invent women who have an insatiable desire to suck cock with the lights out.

I like to see whats going on.

Now if you could invent some sort of dynamo for their necks and turn them all into cock hungry nympho's...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh cool

You won't have any trouble finding them yourself then, rather than expecting me to remember journal references from ages ago eh?

Using ages ago material as an arguing point can backfire though. When you read the article, you get a general memory of it, like "wind turbines are x amount of poo". What you forget though, is the "but" parts and "if" parts, those are the bits that you need to worry about

 

[Scouse]

Using ages ago material as an arguing point can backfire though. When you read the article, you get a general memory of it, like "wind turbines are x amount of poo". What you forget though, is the "but" parts and "if" parts, those are the bits that you need to worry about

TBH Toht, if I'd remembered the names of the journals I used to read, never mind the actual papers, I'd have told him to go look for himself anyway

 

[old.Tohtori]

TBH Toht, if I'd remembered the names of the journals I used to read, never mind the actual papers, I'd have told him to go look for himself anyway

That much is given, it is afterall you and not Mahatma Ghandi

 

[Scouse]

Mahatma Ghandi?

/fapp

 

[Cadelin]

I've read many actual science papers which say the exact opposite of your lovely book. I could, of course, post a few extracts from lots of books that say the exact opposite. But that'd be daft...

Oh cool

You won't have any trouble finding them yourself then, rather than expecting me to remember journal references from ages ago eh?

Trouble is I can't seem to find anything to support what you are saying. Infact I think you are making it all up. If you are going to post a controversial claim be prepared to back it up. Its not my job to prove you right.

 

[Scouse]

You looked. At CERN? Between 10:44 and 11:18pm?

Thorough. I must be lying

 

[Cadelin]

You looked. At CERN? Between 10:44 and 11:18pm?

Thorough. I must be lying

I did indeed do some searches on some of journals I have access to through my CERN account. I had a look when I first read this thread, before I replied. I know that must be a strange concept for you, researching a post before replying.

You have offered no evidence to back up your claims. When questioned about your claims you have refused to give any further evidence. You also claim to have some expertise in the field but yet have difficultly locating the resources. You can't even remember vague details, like what journal you read, how long ago, who were the authors, the title.

There is no reason to believe you and the simplest explanation for your actions, is that you are making things up, possibly to make yourself look important on an internet gaming forum.

 

[Ctuchik]

he does have a point tho. there will most likely have to be a mix of alot of "green" stuff to make up for any eventual loss of nuclear power plants in the future as there is very very few things that has the same capacity, or will take up so much space its just not worth it.

but to be frank, i'm really not sure closing down all the nuclear power plants will ever happen. it will just cost sooooooo much to replace them that not many countries (if any) would actually afford it, even if they do it in steps.

personally i don't have much problems with them and i live roughly 15 - 20 miles away from 3.

 

[SilverHood]

Surely the solution is to build the nuclear power stations somewhere where the cleanup site would be an improvement on the current landscape... like Sheffield, or Hull.

Seriously though, nuclear power wasn't even thought of 100 years ago. While renewables are important, they do not exclude the nuclear option. Get those nuclear plants built and we'll buy ourselves some time to get rid of the fossil fuel dependency and a move to renewable resources over time, or maybe invent new technologies. Despite the doom mongering, we still have 100+ years left to figure out a solution.

 

[Scouse]

you are making things up, possibly to make yourself look important on an internet gaming forum.

It's all true Cadelin! I post only to self-fullfil. How will I live now my hermit-like zero-self-esteem life has been exposed to the harsh realities of casual argument?

/suicide

Get those nuclear plants built and we'll buy ourselves some time to get rid of the fossil fuel dependency and a move to renewable resources over time, or maybe invent new technologies.

I'm desparately trying to find a quote from the (something like) head of the UN Environment program when the financial crisis broke.

When the US unveiled their trillion-dollar bailout package this guy said that he was depressed at the size and speed of the mobilisation of the world's governments in response to financial collapse. He said that if a similar response had been had to global warming he could fix the problem today with solar energy alone.

He said he'd solar-panel up large swathes of desert (he was specific about the deserts and amounts of desert land needed) and build the infrastructure to carry the energy across the planet to the required destinations.


Maybe we don't need new technology? Maybe we need proper mobilisation and financial commitment from our leaders?


But maybe it's all guff. James Lovelock reckon's we probably can't fix it anyway - we're too stupid a species - which I agree with

 

[Cadelin]

It's all true Cadelin! I post only to self-fullfil. How will I live now my hermit-like zero-self-esteem life has been exposed to the harsh realities of casual argument?

By pretending noone else has noticed and continuing to post rubbish by the looks of it.

Are you going to make even the slightest attempt to backup your claims? Surely you remember the journals you read? Or are we expected to believe you read so many as you are such an expert in so many fields you find it hard to remember?

I'm desparately trying to find a quote from the (something like) head of the UN Environment program when the financial crisis broke.

When the US unveiled their trillion-dollar bailout package this guy said that he was depressed at the size and speed of the mobilisation of the world's governments in response to financial collapse. He said that if a similar response had been had to global warming he could fix the problem today with solar energy alone.

He said he'd solar-panel up large swathes of desert (he was specific about the deserts and amounts of desert land needed) and build the infrastructure to carry the energy across the planet to the required destinations.


Maybe we don't need new technology? Maybe we need proper mobilisation and financial commitment from our leaders?


But maybe it's all guff. James Lovelock reckon's we probably can't fix it anyway - we're too stupid a species - which I agree with

Do you not find it odd that you have no difficultly digging up links to opinionated news articles that support your point of view but every time it comes to finding a genuine experts opinion you can't find it and we have to take your word for it?

 

[Scouse]

Wow. You physics-types really are humourless aren't you

Are you going to make even the slightest attempt to backup your claims?

Thought I'd already made myself clear on that m8. Chin up

 

[Cadelin]

Thought I'd already made myself clear on that m8. Chin up

You made it clear you are lying and don't know what you are talking about.

Funny that you decided to quote a book full of opinion, as opposed to a scientific study.

This seems rather hypocritical now doesn't it?

 

[Scouse]

Nope

 

[Cadelin]

Attached is a screenshot showing the results of my search. It would have taken alot less time if you had provided some more information Scouse.

 

[Ctuchik]

He said that if a similar response had been had to global warming he could fix the problem today with solar energy alone.

He said he'd solar-panel up large swathes of desert (he was specific about the deserts and amounts of desert land needed) and build the infrastructure to carry the energy across the planet to the required destinations.

and who's going to own and maintain all those panels? how much would that cost per year? and what if one country refuse to have anything to do with it but said infrastructure needs to pass through it?

and most importantly, who will make sure that wont be abused for whatever reason?

having a "central" solution to a global problem will never ever work.

in my (not so expert) opinion its going to have to be each countries own solutions that will have to do.

/edit: if this guy has anything under his feet it might actually be physically possible, but even tho its not that much space needed compared to how big the planet is its still a FUCKING lot of space needed.

http://gizmodo.com/5350191/how-many-solar-panels-would-it-take-to-power-the-entire-world

basically i clicked the first hit on the list that came up in google, i'm sure there's better versions out there.


/edit 2: more scentifically looking.

http://www.ez2c.de/ml/solar_land_area/

 

[old.Tohtori]

Wow. You physics-types really are humourless aren't you

When it cpmes to science, this lot is worse then the taliban

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Rep for Cadelin.

 

[Scouse]

Attached is a screenshot showing the results of my search. It would have taken alot less time if you had provided some more information Scouse.

I take back all I said about you having no sense of humour!

 

[Scouse]

The thing that Ctuchik posted looks roughly like what this guy was saying (I've not looked at it properly, just got up and off out in ten) - and he was saying it was eminently achieveable.

 

[rynnor]

The thing that Ctuchik posted looks roughly like what this guy was saying (I've not looked at it properly, just got up and off out in ten) - and he was saying it was eminently achieveable.

No he just said theoretically you could do it if you had these massive solar arrays generating terrawatts of power -its ignoring some huge practical issues.

Biggest one is power loss due to resistance in the power distribution network.

In the UK with a good regional distribution of generators we still lose 20-30% of power through transmission -if you tried transferring it from the sahara you'd be lucky to get any power out of the other end

You'd really need superconductors that could take high desert temperatures (which dont exist).

Next geo-political issues -what country can trust its energy supply to a string of other countries? Especially the Saharan region -its not exactly stable.

Next who's going to maintain these colossal arrays -they'd actually need to be prob half as big again to leave space for maintenance guys to access them.

Then theres the desert environment -its pretty harsh with extreme temperature variance between night and day and then theres good old sand.

One sandstorm will abrade the glass surface of the solar cells greatly reducing their effeciency making them too opaque for sunlight to pass through.

Edit: Or it would just cover them over with sand -plus no power generated during the sandstorm and none till the maintenance guys come over n clean em.

Next decent solar cells require platinum and theres not enough on our planet to build these arrays.

Next theres pretty much no way to protect a solar array the size of a small country so they'd be a perfect target for terrorists.

Finally europe would only have energy available during the saharan day or you'd have the even more extreme power loss of transferring power from the US or Middle East...

Its a shame -I really wish these idea's were viable but its plain to see that they arent.

 

[old.Tohtori]

How on EARTH do you expect us to get anywhere near a post-apocalyptic fallout world without nuclear?

 

[Jail Bait]

Use Whale oil instead of Nuclear


A couple of years an I will be off the grid