Nostromo n52

[Chilly]

the problem with the nostromo is that it has inbuilt macroing features, ie it can be prorammed to do a certain command ever 4 sec or execute a scrited command list on the press of a single button.

That is what irontart is whining about i think. GOA/mythic have not and could not ban the use of macro programs on yoru computer justbecause oyu COULD use them for afkhinging or whatever. I have various macros set up on my box to launch apps with the clicking of a button in certain areas on my desktop, for instance i use a macro to launch daoc itself.

I COULD with little difficulty program the macro engine to make hinges for me as well or craft items til i got an MP but why bother? i just watch southpark while i do it manually and dont get banned.

I think irontart is just whining cos he started whining and now he cant stop cos hes got a flow problem with whine and his mouth/keyboard

Shove a cork in it irontart!

 

[IainC]

Ok I'll qualify what I first said.
Using the device as an extension of the keyboard, to remap keys to a more comfortable position is fine. Really there's no difference between spamming a key on your keyboard and spamming a key on another device for the same effect. The N52 used that way is not going to get you into trouble.

Another function of the N52 however is the ability to store sequences of keypresses and thus allow you to automate tasks. As has been pointed out, this exists in part inthe game already via the /qbind command which basically macros two keypresses to one key. Taken further however this becomes a problem and therefore I posted my initial comments to reflect that. The quote from Mythic concerns crafting, but I have also seen the device used for automating exping and this is equally considered to be a violation. I'll agree that Fedaykin made no mention of using it for these purpose, however I felt that the point needed to be made as it has come to our attention that some people (not necessarily the people who have posted in this thread) are not aware that using the device in this way is punishable. I can think of several occasions were action has been taken against players afk crafting/exping etc and they have responded with "I was using a Nostromo and I didn't think it was illegal".

Apologies if people felt I was being heavy handed, it is not my intention to accuse Fedaykin or others of violating the CoC, however I do feel that people should be aware that functions of this device (which they may feel are legitimate) can land them in trouble.

 

[Calaen]

Thanks for the heads up on this baby, will be fun to see if I can actually use it wants its been delivered but one can only try .

 

[Herjulf]

I got a nostromo n50 myself, i stopped using it cuz it made my system unstable etc, think mine was a sunday version ^^.

But it was very nice ot use when you got used to it.
And no i am not shure that it is against the CoC to use it in RvR for example.

U are actively using it, when playing.

For example here is what i used to use it to do.

1. quick shift quickbars by rolling thumbwheel.
2. target driver + stick
3. Use a reactionary style chain with backups.

The nostromo is merely a extension of you keyboard, it wont let you work outside of the ingame ruleset like hitting faster etc.

Infact look at the mythic coc i think nostromo is covered there aswell. i believe i looked it up once.

P.S nostromo rules for FPS game aswell.

 

[Skaven]

Just ordered one, EVERYWHERE ive searched for have been sold out, or awaiting shipment so mines on back order.
Anyone used this with other games such as BFV?

 

[fiontan]

I play on a Nintendo gamepad from 1990.

 

[Raven]

its an interesting point though, how can mythic/goa detect that you are using the pad? even if they did ban its use from DAOC they would not be able to detect its use as it does not interfere with daoc it just macros key presses.

 

[Dorin]

You are a true retard, Ironheart. Always have been, always will be. Congratulations.

have to second that, grats Ironheart (even your name is retarded just like you) so grats again.... dumbass.

 

[swords]

You realy have to love those ignorant people who cant see that they've got foot in mouth disease...

 

[Tholus]

its an interesting point though, how can mythic/goa detect that you are using the pad? even if they did ban its use from DAOC they would not be able to detect its use as it does not interfere with daoc it just macros key presses.

I don't think anyone can detect if you are using a pad (and tbh there is nothing to be decected because using a pad is completely legal and allowed)

But they can easily detect if you are afk-macroing or afk-exping.

They can detect regular patterns in key pressing timing.
If they have a suspect they can move your char from the position he is in (near the forge or near the farming camp)

If the macro is working and you are afk..... etvoilà your char will be continuing doing meaningless things in regular timing (i.e. tryng to craft or hingie far away from the forge)..... and you will get banned/skill reseted etc

 

[Gorel-Truesight]

I have used a N52 for months

Dont have any macro's set up but it does mean you can play the game in a far more comfortable position. Game seems far more fluid. I now only use the keyboard to chat

With toa and the need for an up/down button, the n52 is far superior to the N50 (which i also used to have)

Before that I used a strategic commander but this was limited by the number of buttons that it had.

 

[Moo]

just make a crafting macro that randomizes the time a bit ;-p

 

[Nuc]

If you see it, report it. We always investigate and we always take action where we see evidence of cheating. Believe me or don't but we have nothing to gain by disenfranchising honest players by tolerating a cheating minority.

Think you would be suprised to know how many ppl that use macro's for crafting.. Very suprised But well cant really blame em.. Crafting in daoc is so damn boring It's almost like its designed to make ppl so bored that they end up macro'ing it

 

[katt!]

macroing while you are at your computer is legal fyi

 

[Ailyn]

macroing while you are at your computer is legal fyi

soooo if your sleeping at your computer while crafting its legal ?:O
or what if the user is blind and cant see a GM checking if there etc ;D

 

[katt!]

The user must be positioned at his or her screen whenever his or her character performs an action that normally requires human intervention

So I can macro while masturbating or watching a movie or smth, as long as im positioned at the screen

 

[Skaven]

Anyone got a daoc profile for the n52 that I could perhaps modify to suit myself?

Cheers

 

[drac]

 

[AtomicBattleHamster]

Ok I'll qualify what I first said.
Using the device as an extension of the keyboard, to remap keys to a more comfortable position is fine. Really there's no difference between spamming a key on your keyboard and spamming a key on another device for the same effect. The N52 used that way is not going to get you into trouble.

Another function of the N52 however is the ability to store sequences of keypresses and thus allow you to automate tasks. As has been pointed out, this exists in part inthe game already via the /qbind command which basically macros two keypresses to one key. Taken further however this becomes a problem and therefore I posted my initial comments to reflect that. The quote from Mythic concerns crafting, but I have also seen the device used for automating exping and this is equally considered to be a violation. I'll agree that Fedaykin made no mention of using it for these purpose, however I felt that the point needed to be made as it has come to our attention that some people (not necessarily the people who have posted in this thread) are not aware that using the device in this way is punishable. I can think of several occasions were action has been taken against players afk crafting/exping etc and they have responded with "I was using a Nostromo and I didn't think it was illegal".

Apologies if people felt I was being heavy handed, it is not my intention to accuse Fedaykin or others of violating the CoC, however I do feel that people should be aware that functions of this device (which they may feel are legitimate) can land them in trouble.

Apologies, in advance, for my tone then.

Why is it that a post about a potentially "CoC breaking" mouse is deemed worthy of a response, but ones about the stability of our server seems to be overlooked?

I'm only looking from this side of monitor don't forget, so I apologise if I’m making assumptions of your priorities.

 

[Tualatin]

macroing in itself isnt particularly frowned upon as far as i can tell, its macroing when your not at yer KB, in other games iv played iv heard of GMs pming ppl they suspect of macroing while looking a thteir activity log, if they get no response and still see the char doing stuff they just suspend/ban/wtfpwn/wotever the policy is.

I assume its pathetically easy for goa to look at a log and see someone has pressed a button 400 times with exactly the same timing and not moved an ince, said a word or clicked on a single target in the 3 hours or whatever.

Dont do it kids!

lol, with these things they try to ban people and do 'hard' work for it.. but if you lost some item (eg epic) due to server crashing while you traded etc.. they cba.

 

[Konah]

Think it sucks bigtime that ppl uses these programms when other ppl work hard, and i surely hope u all get banned for it.

keep hoping uke:

 

[DrunkSkunk]

It basically removes the need to switch qbars if you are the type of player who likes to use all the tools available to his class.

It just makes life easier. It won't suit everyone, but is nice if you do take the time to master it.

then i need for me necro :touch: