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Due to the previous thread being closed and unfinished debate on such a serious topic:
This part of the post referred to the weapons Iraq used to invade Kuwait, and the my point that they were Russian made.
Please don't mix up weapon types to suit your argument.
Ah... now I see where this is all coming from. Mr Moore.
I've not seen it, so can you please give me a brief run-down of what happens in that bit?
Possibly to his weapons (won't go over the "can't account for weapons" stuff again though), but in no way to the regime killing it's own people.
Saying sanctions don't work is not a solution, please remember what your supposed to be doing here,
They prefer instead to try to turn people close to him into doing it themselves.
Apart from retaliatory situations, when has Israel launched pre-emptive strikes toward it’s neighbours? I think it’s pretty safe to say that Israel is highly unlikely to attack it’s neighbours even with it’s capability, whereas you give any one of it’s neighbour countries the capability they will use it against Israel. The fact that Israel has the capability now proves the fact they don’t intend to use it aggressively.
As for genocide: How big a statement is that?
That is so far removed from the truth it’s unreal. Again, I won’t say Israel are blameless, they have been extremely heavy-handed in the past toward the Palestinians, but lets not pretend that the issue is at all helped by people being brought up to strap bombs around themselves and kill innocent Israeli’s.
Both the UN and The “Muslim brotherhood” are largely to blame for the situation anyhow. The UN for being so blindingly stupid in the way they handled things in ’48, and the neighbouring countries of Israel for telling the Palestinians to leave the area because they were going to claim the land back for them in a attack.
Then when it failed, it left many Palestinians homeless, and in many cases the rest of the Arab world turned their backs on them.
Firstly, no. I wouldn’t mind if my country was invaded if I live in a country where people were killed, tortured, raped for their political views or ethnic background and people would mysteriously disappear and never been seen again.
Also, given that we all know that the coalition is not actually targeting civilians and death and injury of those civilians is nothing more than a sad by-product of war, AND that less will be killed in this war than Saddam would kill in year of staying in power… well you’re a clever guy. You do the math.
The sanctions don’t work, and do indirectly kill innocents; nice to see you finally accept that.
Most Iraqi’s manage very nicely? My god man. Do you not accept the brutality of the regime?
You appear to be arguing with yourself.
So based on this, assassins can’t do it, sanctions don’t work, you don’t want a war, you see the inspectors might work – what do you do about the regime itself?
Nothing?
Do you deny that if Saddam had played ball over the past 12 years, not kicked inspectors out for the fact that they wanted to look in palaces and sacred areas and cooperated properly the resolutions would then have to be nullified and the sanctions lifted?
Actually at the very beginning Spain, Bulgaria were also involved “pre-bandwagon” and before the actually “invasion” other countries got on board in terms of providing forces. That doesn’t mean they did not support the issue of action to begin with.
1 person. Sure.
100. Sure.
5 Million. Sure.
1 Billion. Sure.
Fact is. Given the guarantee I’m sure I’ll find the volunteers, a lot of anti-war people would sign up for it I’d bet.
See them – don’t see them. Who cares?
The limit? Hmm dunno. It’s your game. You tell me.
Just because they don’t find anything doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Nearly harmless? Lol. Well that’s ok then.
Why wouldn’t Saddam allow his scientists to be interviewed alone? What has he to hide from this? Why was he not willing to cooperate fully at various stages even until the very end?
It was up to him and his regime to prove his innocence due to him being found guilty on the charge before. He was reluctant to try to clear himself.
Obviously I meant prior to the British involvement.
I am not particularly pro or anti NRA.
This part of the post referred to the weapons Iraq used to invade Kuwait, and the my point that they were Russian made.
Please don't mix up weapon types to suit your argument.
Obviously it's based on the knowledge I have of any particular dispute or situation. Noone is ever blameless.
Ah... now I see where this is all coming from. Mr Moore.
I've not seen it, so can you please give me a brief run-down of what happens in that bit?
Weapons inspectors aren't really a counter to the regime.
Possibly to his weapons (won't go over the "can't account for weapons" stuff again though), but in no way to the regime killing it's own people.
Saying sanctions don't work is not a solution, please remember what your supposed to be doing here,
Assassination attempts have proved futile. It was reported that Special forces have deemed it either far too risky or have been unable to locate Saddam and keep track of him.
They prefer instead to try to turn people close to him into doing it themselves.
Israel is first and foremost a democracy. Western lifestyle is based upon this premise therefore supports democracy.
Apart from retaliatory situations, when has Israel launched pre-emptive strikes toward it’s neighbours? I think it’s pretty safe to say that Israel is highly unlikely to attack it’s neighbours even with it’s capability, whereas you give any one of it’s neighbour countries the capability they will use it against Israel. The fact that Israel has the capability now proves the fact they don’t intend to use it aggressively.
As for genocide: How big a statement is that?
That is so far removed from the truth it’s unreal. Again, I won’t say Israel are blameless, they have been extremely heavy-handed in the past toward the Palestinians, but lets not pretend that the issue is at all helped by people being brought up to strap bombs around themselves and kill innocent Israeli’s.
Both the UN and The “Muslim brotherhood” are largely to blame for the situation anyhow. The UN for being so blindingly stupid in the way they handled things in ’48, and the neighbouring countries of Israel for telling the Palestinians to leave the area because they were going to claim the land back for them in a attack.
Then when it failed, it left many Palestinians homeless, and in many cases the rest of the Arab world turned their backs on them.
Seriously, what planet are you on?
Firstly, no. I wouldn’t mind if my country was invaded if I live in a country where people were killed, tortured, raped for their political views or ethnic background and people would mysteriously disappear and never been seen again.
Also, given that we all know that the coalition is not actually targeting civilians and death and injury of those civilians is nothing more than a sad by-product of war, AND that less will be killed in this war than Saddam would kill in year of staying in power… well you’re a clever guy. You do the math.
The sanctions don’t work, and do indirectly kill innocents; nice to see you finally accept that.
Most Iraqi’s manage very nicely? My god man. Do you not accept the brutality of the regime?
I can’t imagine they would never have planned it out. What do you want… 8 dead Delta-Force/SAS members on TV to prove it?
Yeah… and?
I never said the sanctions were good or were working. I said the exact opposite. YOU blamed the US, then now you seem to blame both.
You appear to be arguing with yourself.
So based on this, assassins can’t do it, sanctions don’t work, you don’t want a war, you see the inspectors might work – what do you do about the regime itself?
Nothing?
So you deny that the Oil for Food program would have provided sufficient funding for food and medicines?
Do you deny that if Saddam had played ball over the past 12 years, not kicked inspectors out for the fact that they wanted to look in palaces and sacred areas and cooperated properly the resolutions would then have to be nullified and the sanctions lifted?
So France is on the losing side? Thought the war was in Iraq.
Actually at the very beginning Spain, Bulgaria were also involved “pre-bandwagon” and before the actually “invasion” other countries got on board in terms of providing forces. That doesn’t mean they did not support the issue of action to begin with.
I am not pro-war, that makes me sound like a war-monger. I am pro-action in this case. Just that sadly that has to be war as nothing else will work.
Firstly the world can NEVER be without war. Imagine it. No conflict on ANY scale. Even the smallest argument could never happen due to where it could lead. So it’s a pretty dumb hypothetical situation, however, to please you, I’ll play your little game.
1 person. Sure.
100. Sure.
5 Million. Sure.
1 Billion. Sure.
Fact is. Given the guarantee I’m sure I’ll find the volunteers, a lot of anti-war people would sign up for it I’d bet.
See them – don’t see them. Who cares?
The limit? Hmm dunno. It’s your game. You tell me.
The inspectors cannot be everywhere at once. It’s easy to hide things.
Just because they don’t find anything doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Nearly harmless? Lol. Well that’s ok then.
Why wouldn’t Saddam allow his scientists to be interviewed alone? What has he to hide from this? Why was he not willing to cooperate fully at various stages even until the very end?
It was up to him and his regime to prove his innocence due to him being found guilty on the charge before. He was reluctant to try to clear himself.
