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old.Atrox & Freia > Teador
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Turamber
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Have to agree with that. Much more difficult for any class that has to actually choose a single target in RvR than simply run into a huddle of the enemy and spam a single key.
I think all Albion tanks should take an oath here and now to gank Teador first
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tOkfRanZ
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okay
wasnt this thread about enchanters?
enchanters does not have nearsight as far as i know.
wasnt this thread about enchanters?
enchanters does not have nearsight as far as i know.
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nemesisgm
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The chanter isn't over powered at all learn to deal with them. No enchanter will remain standing after you a sb stick a 2 handed sword threw his head. Yes their pbae is is sick, rather than being a bunch of individual rp whores, work as a team and deal with it.
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Freia
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Originally posted by old.Atrox
bah that didnt contain any Sorc vs Healer stuff
Solly Xorta, I was tired and hungry and wanted to get home from work
Discussing something with you might actually take some brain activity. (maybe)
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old.Atrox
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Originally posted by Freia
Solly Xorta, I was tired and hungry and wanted to get home from work
Discussing something with you might actually take some brain activity. (maybe)
OI! dont overestimate me
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toughguy
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When was the last time anyone saw a lvl 50 sb holding a 2h weapon? Endangered species game reserve ?
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Pfff being a zerker I know where I fall short ... just run! pet kills me
if I get you a bit off gaurd so I got simi close .. the first hit will land in your fend anyway... hence I loose speed (I am sprinting ofc but so are you), the pet nukes me and I get snared .... bye bye chanter .. you just got away from the nasty zerker.. who is now getting chain nuked by your pet, still snare nukes ofc and at some time your speed sets in
Chanter have 2 amazing baselinies... heat and enchantment gives you lvl 50 nuke short stun speed and nuking pet.
you then spec mana (the other 2 linies are worth shit imo) gives you pbaoe wich is good aswell heatbuff wich make you really use that heatnuke, even more now with resistbuffs (we all had maxed heatresist before anyway -- I hope), ohh and ofc dmg shield .. we do have to give you a fair chance to xp right!
that is a lot of loving..... it is the fact that chanter have all off these things ppl should whinne about.
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old.Patrick-S
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enchanters arent overpowered they are just better than other casters... wait a minute...
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Jenna.
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Originally posted by Teador
Sure... you're better at conversations... altho it doesn't help you ingame it seems as you go down every timeTogether with the rest of the Warders
o I c, u hasu atm~~?
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old.Atrox
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DAMN YOU JENNA!
DAMN YOU!
I wanned #100 post
DAMN YOU!
DAMN YOU!
I wanned #100 post
DAMN YOU!
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Jenna.
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P-W-N-E-D ! ! !
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teador next time you nuke me for 900+ dmg with my friar resists on ill head back to camelot,
light a candle in the church,
and weep for your gimped character
TeH z3rG needz j00
To specz0r mAnA !!!!!!
light a candle in the church,
and weep for your gimped character
TeH z3rG needz j00
To specz0r mAnA !!!!!!
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liste
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didnt really bother reading all the way through this, but:
stay stealthed when you click the keeper, then run away.
he casts the spell on you imediately, but the effect is slow. So you'd still be ported in, even if youre around the corner, and supposedly out of the keepers range
stay stealthed when you click the keeper, then run away.
he casts the spell on you imediately, but the effect is slow. So you'd still be ported in, even if youre around the corner, and supposedly out of the keepers range
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Watched e keepdefence yesterday. (Mid defended)
Droves of chanters ran up to left and right side with their pets, hugging the keep wall. They started to PBAOE and their pets started nuking mids through the wall.
It made me mad as hell! Outright exploiting, and i can not wait until these monkeylamers gets the LoS bugged fixed, at least those damn pets cant nuke through walls. I see this crap everytime a Hib-zerg assaults or defends a keep. No wonder your relics are safe atm, but it's purely because of the blatant exploting of bugs.
Shame on you all!
Droves of chanters ran up to left and right side with their pets, hugging the keep wall. They started to PBAOE and their pets started nuking mids through the wall.
It made me mad as hell! Outright exploiting, and i can not wait until these monkeylamers gets the LoS bugged fixed, at least those damn pets cant nuke through walls. I see this crap everytime a Hib-zerg assaults or defends a keep. No wonder your relics are safe atm, but it's purely because of the blatant exploting of bugs.
Shame on you all!
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GregorFlambasto
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Current Enchanter TL Report
http://www.amadcow2.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=enc_pub;action=display;num=1043319530
Can't believe the front of this chap, some highlights from his report asking for new toys for the weak class.
- Movement Modification – Introduce spells that will improve movement and potentially teleport people.
- Vision Modification – Introduce spells that will enhance and improve vision.
Mana – Please move the Heat, Cold, and Matter debuffs to Enchantment Mastery. Give the empowerment line a Power Tap spell similar to that of the necromancer. (mmmmmm more power for mana chanters......NO!!!!!!!!)
Pet Utility –
Allow pets to carry weapons that a PC can hand them. Put a spell line that has pet proc buffs (ala Valewalker) in Enchantment Mastery. Turn the Zealot into a hybrid similar to the Valewalker. Increase their hitpoints, remove the heat based spell, and allow it to carry large weapons.
Making Pets Fun –
People who play pet classes usually like to roleplay. Please, give us some fluff. Let us emote through our pets and let our pets have names generated from a random list (letting the PC chose the name could be abused… ‘Go attack the target @ssmuncher!’).
Wish albion had the enchanter class.
http://www.amadcow2.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=enc_pub;action=display;num=1043319530
Can't believe the front of this chap, some highlights from his report asking for new toys for the weak
class.- Movement Modification – Introduce spells that will improve movement and potentially teleport people.
- Vision Modification – Introduce spells that will enhance and improve vision.
Mana – Please move the Heat, Cold, and Matter debuffs to Enchantment Mastery. Give the empowerment line a Power Tap spell similar to that of the necromancer. (mmmmmm more power for mana chanters......NO!!!!!!!!)
Pet Utility –
Allow pets to carry weapons that a PC can hand them. Put a spell line that has pet proc buffs (ala Valewalker) in Enchantment Mastery. Turn the Zealot into a hybrid similar to the Valewalker. Increase their hitpoints, remove the heat based spell, and allow it to carry large weapons.
Making Pets Fun –
People who play pet classes usually like to roleplay. Please, give us some fluff. Let us emote through our pets and let our pets have names generated from a random list (letting the PC chose the name could be abused… ‘Go attack the target @ssmuncher!’).
Wish albion had the enchanter class.
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insta mez... 2/3 chanters your dead within a second... no time to even react... doubt you could get any hits in, and I dont see how it can be in any way countered, unless you get mez off first.
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you are so fucking wrong. Ever tried a mana spec in rvr ?
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Goryk
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I don't think the problem is with chanters themselves, but the tools other group members bring to them. Solo they aren't anything to worry about really. Lack of CC and defense hurts them. Tanks should have no excuse for getting into h2h with them with all the ra's available, and slam negates most of any MoC they use assuming they are clever and take the bt down with a fast weapon first. In my opinion they are a very average class solo or in very small groups. The probelm is everything they lack, can be provided by a mid size hibernian group. All these comments about how we should just move out of range when they cast mean nothing when almost your entire group has been ae mezzed by a bard. PBT increases survivability, and multiple pbaoers can kill mezzed targets before they have a chance to react. It's just a case of hibs having all the tools for performing this over and over. Middies are also capable of this although the classes required are less popular over there. It;s impossible to perform this regularly on alb, as we don't have the insta-ae mezz. Even a quickcast mezz by a sorc can be interupted by a insta mezz from bard/healer/skald.
The only real way albs have of winning the mezz war is by having a minstrel pop out of stealth with a stun and get a mezz off, but then you have to take into account that the minstrel is located in just the right spot to be between the 2 groups and in range with the pathetic range stun he has, and the rest of the hib group are too slow to interupt the minstrels mezz. Once the hibs have the cc advantage, no matter how high your determination is, your gonna be dead in 10 seconds anyway vs a good group. Nolby pretty much prove this by the constant ganking every day they do, regularly wiping out fg's in a matter of seconds. It isn't the enchanters which are overpowered, it's the entire group and how it works as a team. They rolled their characters with the intent of making the perfect group and they are reaping the benefits now. Only Sotl on alb has the numbers and classes to do the same really and create a 'perfect' rvr group. To be honest, I'm sure if nolby played alb, they'd still kick ass because they'd guarantee all the right classes in every group. Right now there is a one sorcerer rvring out of 37 people in emain. If you are non-sotl, your chances of grouping with a sorc are slim to non it seems. Even with bard numbers being generally lower than the average, it isn't that bad. Almost every hib group has one. Basically, even if we did have loads of ice wizzies, they wouldn't be overpowered as we don't have the tools to use them like hibs have for enchanters. I still say it's hib as a whole which is overpowered rather than just one class..
The only real way albs have of winning the mezz war is by having a minstrel pop out of stealth with a stun and get a mezz off, but then you have to take into account that the minstrel is located in just the right spot to be between the 2 groups and in range with the pathetic range stun he has, and the rest of the hib group are too slow to interupt the minstrels mezz. Once the hibs have the cc advantage, no matter how high your determination is, your gonna be dead in 10 seconds anyway vs a good group. Nolby pretty much prove this by the constant ganking every day they do, regularly wiping out fg's in a matter of seconds. It isn't the enchanters which are overpowered, it's the entire group and how it works as a team. They rolled their characters with the intent of making the perfect group and they are reaping the benefits now. Only Sotl on alb has the numbers and classes to do the same really and create a 'perfect' rvr group. To be honest, I'm sure if nolby played alb, they'd still kick ass because they'd guarantee all the right classes in every group. Right now there is a one sorcerer rvring out of 37 people in emain. If you are non-sotl, your chances of grouping with a sorc are slim to non it seems. Even with bard numbers being generally lower than the average, it isn't that bad. Almost every hib group has one. Basically, even if we did have loads of ice wizzies, they wouldn't be overpowered as we don't have the tools to use them like hibs have for enchanters. I still say it's hib as a whole which is overpowered rather than just one class..
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:sleeping:
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froler-mid
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yes, 2shot saracens.
velly funneh
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old.Nedowiz
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The first part I qoute and the 2nd part I quote sort of make you talk against yourself.
What you are actually saying is that a group formed and specced with the intention of pure RvR and with good players kick ass in 99% of the times against a group gathered in the heat of the moment. Am I right or wrong? If those guilds formed for this, clash, the fights are even or do NP kick SoTL all time? I dont know I dont play Prydwen much anymore but I think that Daoc is a teamgame and if you have a well working team that is a BIG part of the success. Bigger then the difference between the realms.
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pwned2k3,
old.Atrox has #100 post now
old.Atrox has #100 post now
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Goryk
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What I kinda meant is that they get most of their advantage against random groups thrown together because they playt purely for rvr and have built their groups around it. SoTL to a lesser extent does the same with it's rvr groups, but in an NP vs SoTL 1fg vs 1fg battle, NP would likely win due to realm imblance. It's kinda like playing football with 10 men vs 11. You still have a chance of coming out on top but the odds are stacked against you. Sure it takes a lot of organisation and experience to get it working properly like NP have, but I'm sure if they were on alb, and sotl on hib, SoTL would come out on top. All credit to them being such a killing machine, but a good portion of it is down to the available classes they have compared to a standard alb group. You can't just blame it on enchanters being overpowered when it's the full range of classes and their group composition which results in their power.
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1fg SotL > 1fg NP
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omg can you imagine SoS and BoF with MoC Ice wizzies? That would be so freaking uber compared to the tools hib groups have.
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If you'd played a minstrel you'd know how overrated SoS is. It's an escape tool pure and simple. The only reason it is actually useful is becasue of the incompetence of some enemies, who seem to think that sos is a group purge on steroids and so freely hit all the mezzed albs who run around unable to do crap all except wait to be damaged. Usually SoS just allows group members to run away vs large groups, dodge pbae and kite tanks while wizzies nuke. Not win the battle by providing group purge and subsequent mezz immunity. Many times I've managed to cast SoS before being insta mezzed, I end up running around trying to jump into the edge of pbae just to break the mezz which is quite rediculous. The enchanter RA is just as uber as BoF too. The tools I was referring to is the insta CC of numerous types. A bard can try casting ae mezz - if a sorc is beating him to it, he can insta ae lull to interrupt if it isn't qc or just cast his own insta ae mezz if the timer is ready. If somehow you've been taken by surprise or insta ae wasn't ready, you can have group purge on top of possibly a single purge to give you a second chance at getting it right.
How often do the big fights happen in emain? Maybe once every 10 minutes. If you get the jump 50% of the time, you'll only need to insta every 20 minutes. It's usually ready when you need it, and when you have 2fg like I often see, it's nearly always an insta mezz which is used. Albs have no way to counter this outside of a stealthed minstrel using stun-mezz without getting interrupted himself (I have done this once and died for my trouble about 2 seconds later). I can't understand how you can't see that hibs are the best realm for this sort of method. It is why you moved to hib after all.. Mids have the same tools, only spread across more classes and in gimpier lines, while albs lack any insta ranged cc at all (bar minstrel stun if you call 700 units 'range').
How often do the big fights happen in emain? Maybe once every 10 minutes. If you get the jump 50% of the time, you'll only need to insta every 20 minutes. It's usually ready when you need it, and when you have 2fg like I often see, it's nearly always an insta mezz which is used. Albs have no way to counter this outside of a stealthed minstrel using stun-mezz without getting interrupted himself (I have done this once and died for my trouble about 2 seconds later). I can't understand how you can't see that hibs are the best realm for this sort of method. It is why you moved to hib after all.. Mids have the same tools, only spread across more classes and in gimpier lines, while albs lack any insta ranged cc at all (bar minstrel stun if you call 700 units 'range').
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So why did you not roll alb?
Cos you're talking out of your arse that's why.
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/em looks at Geeky Steve and laughs
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old.Atrox
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Now thats the lvl of maturity and intelligence we want here!