No more Celt NS

[Glacier]

CLASS NOTES

- We have removed the ability for Celts to become Nightshades, at least for the time being, while we assess the consequences of this change. We may re-implement Celt Nightshades in a future patch, but it won't go live in 1.62. This was removed based on testing feedback that showed the Celt Nightshades may have a distinct advantage in RvR over Lurikeen and Elven Nightshades due to their inherently greater strength. It was not our intent to redefine the class based on a new race/class combo.


......... Why!

We was almost getting a respectable race for the hib asassain (something with more than 40con and 40str) and they went ahead and removed it... good going mythic... fucking good going...

But the Elf Blademaster stays as it is...

 

[onionknight]

Indeed, because noone will play Elf Blademaster.
Alot of ppl would like to try Celt Nightshade out though.

Simple as that


:great:

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

And I was looking forward to Bastard Sword PA's... *sighs*

 

[old.Emma]

i think you`ll find the reason for removing it was due to it overpowering the NS class. what with your uber RA`s and all you dont need a class with a bit more con/str ;p

look at this way.. even a luri pierce NS will be pwn`n the SB`s in 1.62.

 

[old.Cher]

or in fact they won't, its pretty crap that u have to play an ns to rr5 before being able to take a similer con assassin from another realm wouldn;t u say?

and u still have a greatly over powered L.a skill when compared to our poncy pathetic Cd.

not to mention our low str and bloody low con. without sc, my ns at lvl 47 has 935 hp and 100 con, thats just silly. some sb's where bragging that they have 1.6k hp, so thats balance? o am i also forgetting the uber viper, and wild arcarna.... the skills that are normally purged within one tick, making them useless?

 

[old.Emma]

umm yeah you could say its a little unfair that NS can`t compete that well until there rr5. but when rr5 arrives and they get RA`s like viper/wild arcana/avoid pain they become extremely powerful assassins..

ohh and the leftaxe thing.. that doesnt hold ground anymore thanks to the million and one whines it is now no better than using normal mid weapon styles.. infact CS styles out damage LA styles now.

so SB`s are now slash infils with less spec points, crappy RA`s, worse armour and lower dmg.

as of 1.62 the assassin class tree goes from SB>infil>NS to

NS>infil>SB
or maybe
Infil>NS>SB

you should be glad they didnt include the clet as a race for NS yet because you and i know that a celt bladeshade with slash resistant armour and those flippin overpowered RA`s would be well pretty unstoppable in assassin vs assassin fights.

hell ive seen elf bladeshades take out 3 SB`s unbuffed because of the RA`s he had.

ohh and 1.6k hp is a tad high for an SB.. my SB norse +10 con at start with aug con 2 and toughness 2 has 1421 hp unbuffed a briton infil with +10 con at start with the same hp RA`s has ~1360 hp so SB`s hp advantage is a massive 70hp.

Whats 70hp when your average buffed assassin can easily hit for 150-200 dmg a time and in the case of thrust/pierce assassins alot faster than an SB can attack also.

 

[Athralmall]

Originally posted by old.Cher
o am i also forgetting the uber viper, and wild arcarna.... the skills that are normally purged within one tick, making them useless?

Gotta say I can't remember the last time my poisons (or crit-poisons) were purged, so saying "normally" is exagerating something to state your point.

I wanted this removed, and I'm glad as hell it was. This has nothing to do with the fact I play a Luri, as I sure didn't want to play a Celt then and I don't now, I like my Luri.

It does, however, have something to do with the combination of high-RR NS being somewhat top of the food-chain, combined with the higher str/con of a Celt (or Bladeshade, per chance). Too strong for my liking, and would have bought the nerf-bat down on all NS.

Then where would we be? - Celt NS may be viable, but those who didn't want Celt NS would be even worse off.

Just imo, of course. But I hope this is one change that stays out.

 

[old.Cher]

L.a still has many advantages, and still will do more damage the any cd style, in addition to the increased damage u still will do, u also get to land both poisons in the first round of combat, while using cd/dw simply means that it can be several rounds into the combat before both of ours land.

o and if sb's are now slash infils with less spec points, crappy RA`s, worse armour and lower dmg.

ns's are now pierce infs without 9 sec stun, less spec points,less hp, less str, less con and lower damage.

or they could also be, sb's with less life, no viable slash race, less damage, less hp, and can't use two handed weapons, also can't land both poisons at once, have less hp, less str and con and have a lower duration stun.

but the fact is i like my ns, and i don't want celt ns's. Firbolgs all the way. no point whining, just play

 

[Aravis]

Originally posted by old.Emma
infact CS styles out damage LA styles now.

I assume you meant CD/DW, because CS styles (from Stealth) should outdamage LA, you are supposed to be an Assassin after all...

If you're talking about anytime CS styles then, again as an Assassin, you lose nothing...

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Firby shades... Great Falcata... PA *sighs*

Celt NS would be on par with the assassins of the other realms - str and con wise. Evening out the 9s stun of Infils and the still monstrous damage of LA (nerf, my ass) with Viper and a better chance of survival due to more hitpoints.

Getting to RR5 before you can take on assassins of the other two realms? What the fuck are you people smoking? Not everyone treats the game like a job ie has time to play 18 hours a day to get to RR5 quick enough to keep an interest in a char that needed ages to be levelled to 45-50.

Bleh.

 

[Jiggs]

strong spellcaster specialising in hidden attacks

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Jiggs
strong spellcaster specialising in hidden attacks

Ahahahahahahahhahahahahha!!!!!! ... let my catch my breath... AHHhahahahahhAHahhahahhahahahaha!!!

Fun Facts - Nightshades:
Did you know that Nightshades are able to cast two void bolts whilst remaining stealthed?

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by old.Cher
L.a still has many advantages, and still will do more damage the any cd style

HAHAHAHAHA....thats not even funny..L.A will hit like a 10 yeah old..but weak , girl bashing you with her teddy bear after pathc 1.62

 

[Damon_D]

Sick im sure your ass need's the nerf--your talking trugh it right now.. thats highly over powered even for you

 

[Jiggs]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Ahahahahahahahhahahahahha!!!!!! ... let my catch my breath... AHHhahahahahhAHahhahahhahahahaha!!!

Fun Facts - Nightshades:
Did you know that Nightshades are able to cast two void bolts whilst remaining stealthed?

another of my favourites was where they advise casters to raise quickness so they would 'evade' more

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by Glacier
CLASS NOTES

- We have removed the ability for Celts to become Nightshades, at least for the time being, while we assess the consequences of this change. We may re-implement Celt Nightshades in a future patch, but it won't go live in 1.62. This was removed based on testing feedback that showed the Celt Nightshades may have a distinct advantage in RvR over Lurikeen and Elven Nightshades due to their inherently greater strength. It was not our intent to redefine the class based on a new race/class combo.


......... Why!

We was almost getting a respectable race for the hib asassain (something with more than 40con and 40str) and they went ahead and removed it... good going mythic... fucking good going...

But the Elf Blademaster stays as it is...

Would you rather see that viper and AP and WA was taken away from NS and have the opportunity to roll Celt NS? Seriosly?

And people rolling Elf BMs.... well, thats a way of gettin a char looking nice and performing less good than a Celt or Firby, some people want that, whats the problem? In what way should that be changed? And whatta hell does that have to do with Celt NS? I dont get it.

 

[old.Cher]

Elf blademaster is considered useless, to him while he believe celt ns would be usefull. i however belive we don't need celt ns's

L.a hits for more then any cs style and more then any cd style still, and yet its now gimped? i don't understand.... please make me understand.... please

and i wish our spells did enough damage to warrent having them, currently they are simply there to make us look good. the last time i used my ns castable spell was when 6 ns's had to all nuke a kobold caster that had positioned himself in a place where he could not be meleed within a mid keep we were attacking, even then it took us all 2 full power bars to kill a kobold caster with our Uber spell

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
Sick im sure your ass need's the nerf--your talking trugh it right now.. thats highly over powered even for you

Leave my arse out of it. :kissit:

 

[tindel]

Damn, I had started planning a Celt NS and all Oh well you cant have it all

 

[old.Cher]

make a firbolg ns, its helped me more then any celt ever could!

 

[Gekul]

It's a good thing mythic have actually thought this through, even the NS team leader thought adding Celt nightshades was a bad idea.

 

[Gekul]

Originally posted by Aravis
I assume you meant CD/DW, because CS styles (from Stealth) should outdamage LA, you are supposed to be an Assassin after all...

If you're talking about anytime CS styles then, again as an Assassin, you lose nothing...

Emma was reffering to anytime and evade CS styles, CD/DW are, apparently, "gimped" style lines. But atleast you are not penalised for not speccing them.
What we are losing without LA: How about an evade stun style (which was already inferior btw), base damage when duel wielding and .3 spec points?

 

[Brannor McThife]

Originally posted by old.Emma
ohh and 1.6k hp is a tad high for an SB.. my SB norse +10 con at start with aug con 2 and toughness 2 has 1421 hp unbuffed a briton infil with +10 con at start with the same hp RA`s has ~1360 hp so SB`s hp advantage is a massive 70hp.

Maybe my memory has faded in time...but didn't Solid say his SB had 1999 hp?

[EDIT] Ah, yes, here it is: Give Solidec +1 HP

-G

 

[Damon_D]

Yeah with buff's ..kinda makes a diff..

Sick no way m8.. all your ass belongs to us..and we will be selling it by the pound in Gna soon

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Hands orf my skinny Keen arse I says!!

 

[Damon_D]

ARGHH forgot you where a keen..ffs this will bring in like NO gold.. how much does a keen arse weigh.. 1/8 of a pound ???

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

*does some dancing Cluricaun moves and runs off cackling*

 

[Jergiot]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
HAHAHAHAHA....thats not even funny..L.A will hit like a 10 yeah old..but weak , girl bashing you with her teddy bear after pathc 1.62

LA will still swing eachtime...CD/DW will not. overtime the dmg will be the same, just like it should be.

 

[Jonaldo]

Pre LA nerf
LA > CD

Post LA nerf
LA > CD



ah well, can't have everything I 'spose

 

[Arakasi01]

Im tired of all morons whining about left axe hitting all the time.
It hits for whole whooping 40 damage wow! and thats before nerf.
Funny also how everyone whines that CD and DW doesnt hit all the time. Im yet to experience that infiltrators/nightshades miss even 2 offhand hits in a row, 1 miss does happen sometimes, but then again the weapon hits for full damage (many times up to 120).
So please shut it about LA hitting all the fucking time kthx.