Nightshades

[Damnnationx]

Want to make a nightshade but not sure how to spec what to do other than hack slash from lvl 1...

So What should i spec at char create? dex quick str con?
should i auto train does anything auto train?
lvl 50 specs?

At rr 5 i like to go for an envenom route but im not too sure how iut works in hib any advice appreciated

 

[Cromcruaich]

Want to make a nightshade but not sure how to spec what to do other than hack slash from lvl 1...

So What should i spec at char create? dex quick str con?
should i auto train does anything auto train?
lvl 50 specs?

At rr 5 i like to go for an envenom route but im not too sure how iut works in hib any advice appreciated

Though i'm sure you will get plenty of good advice here, its also worth going over to the class boards over at http://vnboards.ign.com

 

[Damnnationx]

gone for a luri with 10 strn 10 con 10 quick
speccing blades to aout 36 autoing stealth but still n odefo final spec yet

 

[Nix]

Want to make a nightshade but not sure how to spec what to do other than hack slash from lvl 1...

So What should i spec at char create? dex quick str con?
should i auto train does anything auto train?
lvl 50 specs?

At rr 5 i like to go for an envenom route but im not too sure how iut works in hib any advice appreciated

At character creation step, put points to str qui con. If you know you're going pierce, you may want to put points to dex too.

Spec full pierce or blades and celtic dual for xping, don't spec stealth at all if you want to autotrain it (I recommend you do). You can spec stealth at level 48, that's when autotraining stops.

At level 40, choose blades or pierce and respec to it if needed.

Good all around spec for level 50 with autotrain: 44CS, 39 Blades/Pierce, 34 Envenom, 37 Stealth, 22 CD. This way you get good CS skill, modified 51+ weapon, last WS poison, modified 50+ stealth and decent CD at RR3.

At RR5 respec to 35 Envenom to get access to Lifebane, lower stealth to 35, lower blades to 36 and modify other skills to your liking, CS can be 39-50 (44+ recommended though) and rest CD (leftover points will give between 21-37CD).

I wouldn't recommend speccing 0 to envenom at any point (not sure if you meant that when you said you're going to take the envenom route after RR5), 10-15% more chance to hit with offhand is not worth losing all the ewul poisons.

 

[Windwalka1]

if ur not gettin PL'd i suggest u go pierce and go with a BB

and well if ur not gonna go BG's and ull always have a BB theres not really any need for stealth unless u want to PA ur way to lvl 50...

imo

poke your way to level 5

with regards to levelling? u using a bot? i hope so

if u wanna go the instance dungeon route.... i cant stop u but tbh starting a fresh id suggest u and ur bot go to catacombs and farm some wubbly aurulite armour to use the umber pve stats...extra evade and reduced endu costs is <3

keepin a good pve suit is really useful...
ie high stats str/con/dex/qui/hits
then sayin ur mostly in catacombs get capped melee sists and i cant remember what dmg type the poisons in there are but figure it and cap it... get + to evade as it will become laughable when u have a shitload of + evade in ur temp and are spamming hamstring chains in the mobs faces while they fail to hurt you.

spec wise... u can train stealth if u want and /respec all at 50 (if u get a stone) and ull get all ur auto train points anyway (this may come in at the next patch) but well if u dont mind not PA'ing anythin till u go rvr and dont plan on goin BG i suggest dont really bother with the stealth

just keep pierce and CS high as ur main stats, then envenom secondary then CD tertiary

as if u go n read...

http://daoc.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?ThreadKey=10844&DefMessage=838762&forum=31

keep CD alot below CS in other words... if u dont read the link.. the conclusion is

a) In general, CS is better to have than CD. If you can lower CS by 5 points or less and raise CD by more than 8-9 points, it is to your advantage to do so. Otherwise, you will lose damage points by lowering CS in order to raise CD.

b) Extremely low CS combined with high CD is a TERRIBLE choice damage-wise, even if you use MOP5.

im not gonna tell u an exact spec because there is no "best" way to go... but if u roughly stick to these guidlines it should help u...

Most Important things from this LONG message

Good Buffs/Good Stats/Good Resists/Good Cata bonuses

combine this with a good playstyle/spec and u shud be fine

i went

LVL5 -- 4 pierce - 3CS

LVL10 -- 10 pierce - 7 CS - 5 Envenom - 3 CD

LVL15 -- 15 pierce - 13 CS - 5 Envenom - 5 CD

LVL20 -- 19 pierce - 18 CS - 10 Envenom - 5 CD

LVL 25 -- 25 pierce - 18CS - 17 Envenom - 7CD
GET DIAMONDBACK!(25 pierce! asap!)
And with 17+5 venom ull be able to use the first ws/con debuff

LVL30 - 29 pierce - 25 CS - 20 Envenom - 7 CD

LVL35 - 34 pierce - 31 CS - 20 Envenom - 10 CD

LVL40 - 39 pierce - 34 CS - 24 Envenom - 13 CD

Now Every Half Level

40.5 - 39 pierce - 34 CS - 25 Envenom - 14 CD

41.0 - 39 pierce - 36 CS - 25 Envenom - 15 CD

41.5 - 39 pierce - 37 CS - 26 Envenom - 15 CD

42.0 - 39 pierce - 39 CS - 26 Envenom - 15 CD

42.5 - 39 pierce - 39 CS - 26 Envenom - 18 CD

43.0 - 39 pierce - 41 CS - 26 Envenom - 19 CD

43.5 - 39 pierce - 42 CS - 26 Envenom - 19 CD

44.0 - 39 pierce - 44 CS - 26 Envenom - 19 CD

44.5 - 39 pierce - 44 CS - 28 Envenom - 19 CD

45.0 - 39 pierce - 44 CS - 31 Envenom - 19 CD

45.5 - 39 pierce - 44 CS - 33 Envenom - 19 CD

46.0 - 39 pierce - 44 CS - 36 Envenom - 19 CD

46.5 - 39 pierce - 44 CS - 36 Envenom - 21 CD

47.0 - Grats uve auto trained 12 stealth
39 pierce - 44 CS - 36 Envenom - 21 CD - 19 Stealth

47-50 train stealth to 36

50 FINAL SPEC

39 PIERCE - 44 CS - 36 Envenom - 21 CD - 36 Stealth (feel free to lower the venom and up the stealth if u want but ur gonna hit rr4 in no time)


Hope it helps

 

[Neffneff]

read yer emails and all will become clear mate.

now dont gimp this one mmkay?

 

[Punishment]

15 str 10 qui @ creation

Or if u ever plan on being a gay pokey pokey type ...

10 str 10 dex 10 qui

Also Elph has better racial resists

Hell if u got neff advising u what u need me for eh

 

[Neffneff]

Or if u ever plan on being a gay pokey pokey type ...

i miss my pokeys ;/

 

[Kaun_IA]

what ever spec you are going to go... start points should be 15 str and 10 con

15 str at start will improve pierce dmg and if u ever think about blades .... allso gives you good options

 

[prodical]

i miss my pokeys ;/

post farming xD

 

[Neffneff]

post farming xD

actually, i do believe your post would constitute that ;P

 

[Damnnationx]

cheers lads and ya bth pokey ing lol

 

[Petwick(Ebony Hand)]

just whatever u do,dont exp your way to 50 as a bladeshade with no BB, believe me you will want to throw your comp out of the window.


I still have the nightmares.

 

[Neffneff]

just whatever u do,dont exp your way to 50 as a bladeshade with no BB, believe me you will want to throw your comp out of the window.


I still have the nightmares.

i actually enjoyed it with my shade selfbuffs+task instances make it a piece of piss these days.

 

[Reza]

Luri

15 str 10 con

Auto stealth

 

[De$pot]

!

Windwalka1 gave some good info even thoug you dont have stealth autotrained to 12 before lvl 48 and not 47 as he says.
also he states that you can spec stealth and then just use a full respec to get the autotrain.. this is incorrect you will have 12 in stealth after an respec but the points will be taken form your normal spec pool and you will not have the extra autotraining points.

 

[Neffneff]

Windwalka1 gave some good info even thoug you dont have stealth autotrained to 12 before lvl 48 and not 47 as he says.
also he states that you can spec stealth and then just use a full respec to get the autotrain.. this is incorrect you will have 12 in stealth after an respec but the points will be taken form your normal spec pool and you will not have the extra autotraining points.

this is the truth, there has a couple of times been bugs in patches that let you gain full auto-train oints even though you did not autotrain, BUT these bugs have been corrected and rarely even make it to europe.

 

[Windwalka1]

nay, they fixed it now so u keep auto train points i hear

 

[Varna]

My nightshade full autotrained and I don't lose any points when I respecialize, so I wouldnt worry.

 

[Athalas]

Never lost mine - although I didn't auto train long but I have respecced a couple of times.

 

[Tempra]

I can give you some tips...

stay pierce until RR5...

look up daoc catacombs

read VERY WELL what Tazilon writes, there are also links about melee dmg calc etc.

for example going like 44pierce 44cs is not good as some might think, the point is with like 34 pierce you hit harder than with 44 pierce...( Hard to explain tho i quit daoc long ago now) but read what he says and all about the tests and you will understand what i mean.

i had a very good template on my ns i think it is here on FH (not under this nick) capped str/dex/hits/resists etc shit is i dont recall the items i had but was only 1 rare ring i recall rest like daoc is today you should be able to get easy btw if you now find my temp you see what ring it was the stats were like (4-5 env,4-5stealth,4-5crit and some other thing on it.. very nice one

at rr3 i chewed infils way higher than me rr7+, even killed higher armsmen without problems.

Dont know if you played stealther before, but if you read Taz's guide you know playing stealther is not about spamming garrote/achilles use all toys spin to get side position stuns on them, bleed effects, heal pots etc...takes time to learn it but once you do with good temp and sutch you will own...

Hope you find some good advice

 

[Punishment]

I can give you some tips...

stay pierce until RR5...

No longer applies tbh ... with debuff changes and lgm nerf

Blades is now the Only way ... people can fart on all they like about lgm damage which is not 50% of what it was when u consider cl sists and resist table tightening ... malice proc is now essential ... whatever u have offhand is the only variable ... malice mainhand battler on back

 

[Tempra]

No longer applies tbh ... with debuff changes and lgm nerf

Blades is now the Only way ... people can fart on all they like about lgm damage which is not 50% of what it was when u consider cl sists and resist table tightening ... malice proc is now essential ... whatever u have offhand is the only variable ... malice mainhand battler on back

like i wrote "read hes guide" about wyrd's spec etc, resists,mh or offhand weapon i dont give jack about i was refering to the actual "spec" cuz even if he use malice or whatever hes choice might be hes SPEC will make major diffrence...

also like i wrote quite some time that i quit, but (to lazy to check) however the 4 sec stun style etc that i know from before is very nice tool and should not be skipped... unless thats changed too...

personally i would still go pierce to start with, after rr5 or so blades, regarding the cl resists im sure they are a pain in the rear but equal for all..you spec,temp and acutal "experience playing ns" will make the final diffrence..

And probably experience will decide anyways if you will win or loose, some has all the toys, uber items perfect specs but they still loose cuz all they are a pl'd peice of crap toon with the nice gear...

 

[Neffneff]

also like i wrote quite some time that i quit, but (to lazy to check) however the 4 sec stun style etc that i know from before is very nice tool and should not be skipped... unless thats changed too...

you can no longer spam diamond back - hammy - hammy - hammy, there is only a 3 second window now to use a resctionary style so IF you are LUCKY you can do DB - hammy, but otherwise you will just end up with DB - Garrote (or if yer clever, DB - pincer).

also next patch, Blades also gets a low lvl evade STUN reactionary.

 

[klasa]

also next patch, Blades also gets a low lvl evade STUN reactionary.

I don't understand mythic, Is there any reason to spec pierce at all after this? Blades got the better artifacts, the WS debuf instead of str/con debiff, CL recists AND now they give blades a evade reactionary stun. Why don't they remove pierce at all? Oh sorry guess the vamps has to use something.

 

[MaCaBr3]

pre 1.70 usefull Nightshade guide:

http://strategy.guardiansofvalor.com/Strategy/AetiusNightshadeGuide.asp

 

[Elkie]

Luri for meh:

10 str 10 con 10 quick

Reason for 10 quick? I made my template quiet a while before the nightshade itself as I wanted to have the perfect idea of what starting stats I will need. The 10 quick starting and the 43 quick in my temp gives me a nice 250 quickness for cap, although im using Battle and Malice equiped, but ive done tests and their is next to nothing difference in swing speed for meh

 

[Varna]

I dunno if it was this thread or not Punishment but I said 39 blades 'cos I wanted but more WS over the extra CD / CS - Don't ask why I thought that but at the time I thought it was a good idea as I read a guide someplace, although to be perfectly honest I've not had any issues - Although anyone know how big the damage difference is between 44 and 50 CS?

 

[Neffneff]

Although anyone know how big the damage difference is between 44 and 50 CS?

Large enough to notice on each and every style, and dont you get like 9 dmg per CS point for your PA cap, think it was nine, though it might be more, anyway, if its nine, that means you're missing 54 dmg on your PA cap.

EDIT: according to the DPS calc i have, 44 - 50 CS works out as about 8dps on a properly templated shade, so that would be 160 dmg over the course of a 20 second fight. although im pretty sure that is before AF/resists are factored in. so its prolly more like a 4dps loss at worst.

 

[Punishment]

I dunno if it was this thread or not Punishment but I said 39 blades 'cos I wanted but more WS over the extra CD / CS - Don't ask why I thought that but at the time I thought it was a good idea as I read a guide someplace, although to be perfectly honest I've not had any issues - Although anyone know how big the damage difference is between 44 and 50 CS?

But what im trying to say is this

Once u have 51 composite weaponskill u dont gain any extra dps unless u use a style directly from that weaponskill line ... 44 cs is nice tbh ... u will prolly gain alot more dps sticking with that and trying to reach offhand 50-51 composite offhand :touch: