Nick Griffin on Question Time tonight

[Madmaxx]

If you are someone who is not that into politics what you watched last night would just seem like bullying so i think it won him more voters than it lost him. And talking about Churchill some of his quote do make him seem like he would not be in any of the big 3. I did not see him get asked one question where he was given time to answer then explain before guy in the middle or the audience went off on one. I do not support the BNP but they should not have got him in there to do they they looked like the animals last night.

I have never voted before, I dont know anything about policies or what ever but your pretty much right. I also thought that jack straw bloke took about 5 mins to get an anwser out to most questions whether they were tough questions or just under pressure i dunno but alot of uhms , and errs going on I was thinking ffs just anwser lol. And it seemed like free publicity for the BNP, I mean yes he got alot of hits from ppl. But he got time to get his own opinions off.
I still dont get what this "BNP question night is catastrophic" about, when he wasnt anwsering questions he was just laughing off a bunch of ppl in the crowd.

Still cant believe ppl vote for him anyway, I might not vote but i'd never vote for bnp

 

[Lamp]

Any extremist who goes on TV knowing that his views offend the majority of the electorate, 99% of the studio audience, 100% of the panel, and by all the newspapers knows only too well what reaction he is going to get. Griffin admitted to himself that he was probably the most reviled man in Britain. He knew that apart from a couple of BNP supporters in the audience, he was in front of a hostile crowd. Hostile as in most people don't agree with his extreme views. He was given ample opportunity to get his views across. The fact that he was unable to defend his views cogently or present any intelligent arguments or speak without giving offence to people of different religion / skin colour was his own fault and does not eqate to bullying. What he got was nothing unexpected.

Quite simply, Griffin couldn't make his arguments or views stand up on their own two feet let alone stand against rational counter-argument from fellow panelists or from understandably vociferous questions from the audience. This was not bullying. This was a man who was placed infront a tiny cross-section of the ordinary multi-cultural electorate, not a room full of BNP supporters in Burnley. If he thinks this treatment is bad, its nothing compared to the grief he would get from people in his constituency were he ever elected into the HoC.

 

[Raven]

This^ Thad, Raven, what did you expect? Griffin wanted this chance to have a huge audience, if he had any substance to his arguments he would not have been roasted so badly. As a politician and the leader of a party he should be subject to harsh questioning.

As usual you miss the point completely. The BBC are supposed to be beyond neutral, question time was not anywhere close to neutral last night, the BBC have got a political agenda at the moment when they shouldn't. Regardless of whether Nick "Dick" Griffin is a cock or not, last nights show was a witch hunt.

On any other channel last nights program would have been fine.

 

[Ch3tan]

As usual you miss the point completely. The BBC are supposed to be beyond neutral, question time was not anywhere close to neutral last night, the BBC have got a political agenda at the moment when they shouldn't. Regardless of whether Nick "Dick" Griffin is a cock or not, last nights show was a witch hunt.

On any other channel last nights program would have been fine.

I agree the whole program was about him and against him, but having watched it twice I do not think it was out of hand. The questions as ever on question time are led by the audience, given the hype surrounding this show it was never going to be anything else. The problem is that this is the first chance the public has had to access Griffin, I would welcome him (and all the party leaders) having a lot more TV time, and then we can get past the initial reaction from a pissed off public and down to some serious questioning.

My point was, did you really expect the show to be neutral?

 

[Lamp]

The show WAS politically neutral but people's opinions were heavily against Griffin. Don't confuse that with political partiality - they're different. You had members from all three main political parties on the panel. The audience was as cross-sectioned as you can get - all ethnicities from all backgrounds. Dimbleby gave plenty of time and opportunity for Griffin to answer and get his points across. The fact that the audience cajouled and heckled him was (a) not the BBC's fault or within their remit to sanction, (b) utterly expected, (c) was too good television not to show the audience's reactions & sentiments, and Griffin should have pre-empted that and been better prepared with answers. The fact that 99.99% of an audience does not agree with one extremist speaker does not make this a case of victimisation or bullying.

 

[Aoami]

The Daily Mash - BNP TO OFFER FREE DIDGERIDOO LESSONS

 

[BloodOmen]

Thats what the Germans said about Hitler

Well end of the day where would your vote go? all parties are utter shit at present does it really matter which you choose? none of them have a clue.

 

[tris-]

lets consider - why is he extremist?

basically, he publically airs views which are not PC (which those labour ***** have drummed in to us), and then suddenly he is being extermist.

frankly, there is nothing wrong with closing borders. there is nothing wrong with keeping britain british. there is nothing wrong with airing an opinion against islam, judaism or christianity.

well not until labour tells us it isnt PC, then it is wrong. someonene must air these views, and that person is griffin.

i heard sky news earlier say "nick griffin will milk the attention".
how the fuck is that anything close to airing the facts of the matter? its completely some news twat giving his opinion, and that is not what the news should be.

 

[Ch3tan]

lets consider - why is he extremist?

basically, he publically airs views which are not PC (which those labour ***** have drummed in to us), and then suddenly he is being extermist.

frankly, there is nothing wrong with closing borders. there is nothing wrong with keeping britain british. there is nothing wrong with airing an opinion against islam, judaism or christianity.

well not until labour tells us it isnt PC, then it is wrong. someonene must air these views, and that person is griffin.

i heard sky news earlier say "nick griffin will milk the attention".
how the fuck is that anything close to airing the facts of the matter? its completely some news twat giving his opinion, and that is not what the news should be.

You are joking yeah tris? It's not his non-extremist views that he is demonised for. His current public face is a toned down version of a racist holocaust denier.

 

[Raven]

Who just happens to be tapping into an underlying public opinion. Regardless of what anyone thinks people are listening to him, shouting OMG RACIALIST! every time he speaks is not changing anyone's minds. The big 3 and the BBC just handed him even more votes through pure idiocy.

 

[Ch3tan]

Raven again, you have ignored mine and lamps posts. Why are you blaming the BBC for a public reaction?

you cannot have a leader of a political party exempt from having his past looked into, it shapes who he is, regardless of what his views on immigration are and whether they tap into public opinion or not, the man is a extremist racist, in charge of a racist party which is simply trying to put a mask on to gain votes.

 

[Raven]

I am blaming the BBC for being naive enough to think a obvious, poorly planned witch hunt would go unnoticed, people are not as willing to believe what they are told any more and there are plenty of outlets for the truth. I don't disagree with you with regards to Nick Griffin or the BNP, they are scum but there was plenty of things the other night that they took out of context to try make the guy look even worse than he is. For example, the whole indigenous subject, they were desperately trying to get him to say "white people" and twisting it to try and make it sound like that's what he meant, whether that is what he meant or not is rather moot, it was cringe worthy. The follow up coverage on the BBC has been no better either, "Griffin attacks Islam" etc, no he didn't, what he did do was criticise it and suggested we stop trying to westernise the middle east.

If they wanted to shoot him down there is plenty of material to do so, they attempted the easy choice.

The simple fact that membership applications have gone up and post program polls suggest more people are willing to vote BNP goes to show that it was a complete fuck up from start to finish. You can witter on all you like about what he stands for, it doesn't matter really, public perception of what he stands for is what counts. Making stuff up and getting found out makes people doubt the rest of it even more, or at least more willing to block it out.

 

[Ch3tan]

Thing is Raven, it needed to happen, wherever Griffin or one of his party members appeared would have had the same initial reaction. Hopefully people have it out of their system and next time it will be a more balanced show. However whether Griffin or other BNP members would appear again is doubtful, he gave a lot of spin and avoided issues. All the rage suited him as he avoided having his actual policies ripped apart.

 

[Shagrat]

you've only got to look at the bbc message board to see how this has affected peoples opinions.

There are a lot of people posting on there that it just looked like 5 people and a hostile crowd laying into one person. A lot of people are feeling sorry for him.

Regardless of the guys politics it should never have been approached in the way it was. Yes, the audience propose the questions but the BBC should have made sure the questions were across a broad number of issues like it normally does (immigration, postal strike, expenses scandal, recession) and not just hammering the BNP's policies and the presenter should have been a lot harder on the heckling and stuff.

 

[soze]

IMO you can blaim the BBC for letting the big 3 read prepeared statements and for the Presenter not getting in the way of the witch hunt and making them discuss policy/issues. The Producers could have stopped filming when they saw it got out of hand then started again after laying down some rules. But they let it turn into a cluster fuck. Lucky though the majority of people still think he is a twat but clearly see this was a fit up.

 

[Lamp]

lets consider - why is he extremist?

basically, he publically airs views which are not PC (which those labour ***** have drummed in to us), and then suddenly he is being extermist.

frankly, there is nothing wrong with closing borders. there is nothing wrong with keeping britain british. there is nothing wrong with airing an opinion against islam, judaism or christianity.

well not until labour tells us it isnt PC, then it is wrong. someonene must air these views, and that person is griffin.

i heard sky news earlier say "nick griffin will milk the attention".
how the fuck is that anything close to airing the facts of the matter? its completely some news twat giving his opinion, and that is not what the news should be.

You're on a wind up....surely...?!!!!!?!!! I couldn't disagree more.

 

[Thadius]

Tris is so fucking close to the truth, it makes me weep with joy.

a rep for you good man.

In this country, you used to be able to voice your opinion, be in pc or not. h Labour have taken it further.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8323638.stm

 

[Gorbachioo]

I think its obvious that the guy is a racist and all that but one thing caught my attention:

Everytime british people debate immigration, whether its on internet forums or in this debate, someone always says that theres no such thing as real british people. That you're all just a collection of immigrants.

....What the hell is that about? Could someone please explain to me why Britain is not a nation of its own?

 

[Thadius]

Look at the history of Britain mate.

Vikings, Romans, Celts and Normans are just for starters

The Americans make me laugh more, there country was built on immigrations, yet they hate those Mexicans!

 

[Corran]

immigration is fine if it is controlled.. unfortunately for britain it is out of control.

We a small country with a rapidly growing population, a country that struggles as is to cope with the current population. Health care waiting times etc continue to grow as more and more people come in.

We need to close boarders, and allow immigration only on the same means as in other organised countries such as canada and australia where you got to prove you got the means to support yourself before you are allowed to immagrate to them.

Never going t happen though due to the rediculous powers we allow brussels. We pay them to say "everyone go to britain where you can take the piss out of their hospitality"

(note, not saying all immigration is bad and that immigrants are wasters... but to many of those currently coming over give that impression which is why need controlled immigration and not a free for all.)

 

[Raven]

Could someone please explain to me why Britain is not a nation of its own?

It is, its just some people would rather it isn't and insist you are racist if you consider yourself to be native British. As Nick Griffin said (his only good point on the show, that still got heckled) on the program, the colour of the person is irrelevant, there is still a group of people who you would consider to be native British, the same way you would have native Fins, Dutch, Irish, whatever. Just because on the whole we are white does not mean we cannot be classed as aboriginal to our country.

I don't understand why it gets some people so agitated when you consider yourself to be native British, they just do. Not that it really matters anyway, as we have always welcomes immigrants throughout history, on the whole they have come and integrated with us perfectly, adding to our culture and doing very well for themselves, you would struggle to find somewhere more multi cultural than London.

The problem we now have is a system that is far to easily abused and no longer works. You have qualified doctors sitting in bed sits for years while their immigration papers are fucked about with, meanwhile 40,000 dossers get lost in the system. Its a farce. Lets not dare criticise it though, that would be racist!

 

[The Knowledge]

According to Tris & Thadius, Nick Griffin isn't an extremist. And Hitler was just misunderstood. Its idiots llike Tris & Thadius who would vote for these fascists and be waving their swastika flags as the Jews and blacks are led to the ovens by Griffin's state police.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Look at the history of Britain mate.

Vikings, Romans, Celts and Normans are just for starters

The Americans make me laugh more, there country was built on immigrations, yet they hate those Mexicans!

..Where do you draw the line between who's indigenious and who isnt? If we follow that logic then we're all African.

Finland wasnt habitable during the ice age (which obviously mean that people who now live in Finland came from somewhere else) but i still consider myself an indigenious finn.

America is obviously a special case and i see no point in taking them in to this discussion.

 

[Corran]

unfortunately Labour are just as extreme as Nick Griffin ... just from the other side of the arguement

 

[Lamp]

Its not really the same thing though is it ? You can't compare the current Labour government with the far right wing policies of the BNP. Not really.

 

[Raven]

According to Tris & Thadius, Nick Griffin isn't an extremist. And Hitler was just misunderstood. Its idiots llike Tris & Thadius who would vote for these fascists and be waving their swastika flags as the Jews and blacks are led to the ovens by Griffin's state police.

haha lol


fuck off

 

[Ch3tan]

Raven just ignore that comment, would be nice if this thread didn't go the way it usually does....

 

[Corran]

Its not really the same thing though is it ? You can't compare the current Labour government with the far right wing policies of the BNP.

i dont know all the BNP policies... i ignore them because it mainly crap. All i know is they think immigration is out of control and i agree with that. Dont mean i agree with how they go about with things though.

Labour policy of "everyone is welcome" is just as bad for this country though but in a different way to the somewhat 'racist' approach of the BNP (depends on how much you believe in what you read as to the intent of words - i dont pay attention to what they say so cant confirm or deny they outright racists)

 

[Thadius]

According to Tris & Thadius, Nick Griffin isn't an extremist. And Hitler was just misunderstood. Its idiots llike Tris & Thadius who would vote for these fascists and be waving their swastika flags as the Jews and blacks are led to the ovens by Griffin's state police.

*yawn*

Clearly you are a member here, under another username because you clearly dont want to reveal yourself.

Just thinking, if Nick Griffin is classed as an extremist, then what about the other side of the scale? Ie all these daft lefties who agree with political correctness, agree with unchecked immigration. surely they are extremists too?

Anyway, back to this idea that I would support Nick Griffin. I have never voted for the BNP and never will do. I, however, am a firm believer in the democratic process. He is part of a legitimate political party, one that has been elected to hold 2 seats in the European Parliament.

Or shall we go further? The SNP are a party who want to spit from the Uk and form their own country. Sinn Fein are a Irish party who supposedly had close ties to the IRA. Yet they can be on things like Question Time with no troubles. Yet the BNP, with a minority of voters, cannot go onto things like Question Time without everyone blasting them.

 

[Marc]

According to Tris & Thadius, Nick Griffin isn't an extremist. And Hitler was just misunderstood. Its idiots llike Tris & Thadius who would vote for these fascists and be waving their swastika flags as the Jews and blacks are led to the ovens by Griffin's state police.

When will your latest quit thread be Dorimor?