Nick Griffin on Question Time tonight

[tris-]

*yawn*


Just thinking, if Nick Griffin is classed as an extremist, then what about the other side of the scale? Ie all these daft lefties who agree with political correctness, agree with unchecked immigration. surely they are extremists too?

the only way you cant be extremist is to say "i have no opinnion on any matter". labour and conservative are extremist and so is the bnp. but the other two parties extermist views are all cuddly and forced on us 24/7 so people have grown to say 'thats the norm'.

 

[tris-]

sad affairs when people will negative rep you for giving an opinion.

 

[gohan]

if i hate asians and jew and blacks an spicks and chinks


but also hate yanks and nazi's and chavs and the frogs and any1 north of cambridge and the sheep shaggers and the lepricans and the greasy spaniads


and basicly every1



am i rasist cos i hate blacks?

 

[Thadius]

Indeed Tris, I have recieved several neg reps for offering my take on things (which are neither pro-BNP neither anti-BNP)

Like I have stated, I am very much for unbiased political debates. I have just watched QT again, and it turned into a 1 hour bashing of the BNP, instead of the 1 hour bashing of each other.

The two major parties are frankly worried because they know people will take notice of Nick Griffin and certain policies towards unchecked immigration and want to gag him because of it. Instead of working on the issue that needs addressing.

I am not saying kick everybody out, I would like to see a points based immigration system, similar to Australia, wherein you can only emigrate there if you are going to improve the country(ie nurses, doctors, lawyers).

 

[Madmaxx]

Indeed Tris, I have recieved several neg reps for offering my take on things (which are neither pro-BNP neither anti-BNP)

Like I have stated, I am very much for unbiased political debates. I have just watched QT again, and it turned into a 1 hour bashing of the BNP, instead of the 1 hour bashing of each other.

hmm im in the same boat as you 2, everyone has there opinions.

 

[Ezteq]

/chuckle...this is how I feel about that bastard...

Slap Nick Griffin - Vote with the back of your hand

go on, it is very satisfying!

 

[Madmaxx]

did anyone see, Have I got New for You on bbc2 last night. They had a picture game when they had to guess the person in a disguise, basically nick griffin was in a pic and they all didnt respond and said "no i dont know who that is" like the BBC just want to keep taking cheap shots at him.

 

[Thadius]

HIGNFY is a satire program.

Hell, Angus Deaton even got blasted when he was caught taking coke and shagging hookers and he rpesented it. It was bound to take the mickey out of the QT thing.

And you summed it up perfectly, Nick Griffin has been all over the media the past week, saying "no they dont recognise him" its just a way for them to get a laugh. It isnt degratory to the BNP

 

[mooSe_]

did anyone see, Have I got New for You on bbc2 last night. They had a picture game when they had to guess the person in a disguise, basically nick griffin was in a pic and they all didnt respond and said "no i dont know who that is" like the BBC just want to keep taking cheap shots at him.

Have I got news for you take cheap shots at all politicians, you can't really accuse them of being biased against the bnp.

the only way you cant be extremist is to say "i have no opinnion on any matter". labour and conservative are extremist and so is the bnp. but the other two parties extermist views are all cuddly and forced on us 24/7 so people have grown to say 'thats the norm'.

doesn't that make the word extremist a bit redundant if it describes anyone with a political view? I would say an extremist is someone who's political views are at odds with those of the current status-quo.

 

[Ch3tan]

the only way you cant be extremist is to say "i have no opinnion on any matter". labour and conservative are extremist and so is the bnp. but the other two parties extermist views are all cuddly and forced on us 24/7 so people have grown to say 'thats the norm'.

Ignore the point why don't you tris? He is not being labelled an extremist for all the racist shit he is trying to cover with spin now. You know, like being a holocaust denier.

 

[tris-]

doesn't that make the word extremist a bit redundant if it describes anyone with a political view? I would say an extremist is someone who's political views are at odds with those of the current status-quo.

and how exactly are the bnp 'at odds with the current status-quo'?

i think some of their views are rather relevant and pertinent at the moment.

there is something else i was thinking about too. if it wasnt for the current govt, there would be no fuss at all with islam. they sent the army in to the middle east and blasted the shit out of everything. now suddenly, we must make allowances for them and you cant speak out against islam because somehow it makes you a racist.

why dont we see a big hoo haa everyday with hindus, buddhists, christians, roman catholics, jews, jehovas witnesses, latter day saints, satanists, sikhs and bog standard none believers of anything? probably because they havent been pushed in to our faces by certain failures on behalf of the govt. the govt dont need to be fluffy with such people because they havent went and kicked the shit out of their population (not recently, anyway). suddenly muslims have been elevated to a 'race' of people (i dont like the word race personally, but it does the job it needs to do) and youre racist to say anything against islam.

it is clear to me that the bnp view point would simply put such believers back at their previous level of importance: absolute fucking zero, along with everyone else.

 

[tris-]

Ignore the point why don't you tris? He is not being labelled an extremist for all the racist shit he is trying to cover with spin now. You know, like being a holocaust denier.

please bring to my attention which point i have ignored.

 

[Ch3tan]

You are joking yeah tris? It's not his non-extremist views that he is demonised for. His current public face is a toned down version of a racist holocaust denier.

This reply to him being an extremist, which you claim is because of some of his current policies. You did not answer my point.

He is an extremist because of his past and the views he does not air in public anymore - because the BNP are trying to present a toned down face to the voting public.

If you keep bleating on that he is an extremist because of his current policies, then you eat media bullshit far too easily.

 

[tris-]

if someone wants to think or say something in private then why shouldnt they?
the problems comes when you might act on that in public.

if i sit at home and say to my mate "i think gays should be killed" (i dont by the way, before some bastard jumps on that, its an example), who is being harmed by that? if i go and kill a gay because i dont like gays though, then i can see your point that it would be pretty extreme!

if anyone here is going to tell me they havent had an extreme view, or discussed your views which could be extreme with someone else, then i absolutley do not believe you. i dont think we should be teaching religions in school as module that has to be taken. that could be seen as pretty 'extreme'.

 

[Ch3tan]

Tris- you are spinning more than Griffin himself, the guy is a racist, he has warped views and his policies are backed by made up facts and hyperbole. Maybe no worse than other parties in that aspect, but it's the racist organisation and power base of the BNP gaining support that is the problem.

They can have their say, but he and his party should be offered no more of a shield from public scrutiny and backlash than any other politician.

 

[tris-]

how am i spinning anything?
i am giving my own view as much as anyone else is.
although clearly its not acceptable, because it isnt in line with what were told to think.

what does that remind you of .

 

[Ch3tan]

when did I say he should be silenced though? I don't agree with his view, and far right and far left views are traditionally extremist.

Freedom of expression works both ways, Griffin wants his say but would want Islamic people in this country to agree not to push their own view points on law and culture? That speaks of a dictatorship to me, and no better at all than labour's overly PC view.

 

[tris-]

why should law that is OK for islam be OK for britain?
why dont you see buddhists trying to push law on to the country, or any other religious group?
if any particular religion wants to force laws on a country, they should do so in a country that is prepared to be ruled by what ever their religion is.

personally i am against any religion controlling the population, and religion as a whole in general. this isnt the medieval age anymore, and we dont need religion controlling the population.

that isnt an opinion i have recently formed though. i remember in primary school being told i have to pray in assembly and thinking that i dont actually believe in this. why am i being made to do it? youre made to study religion all the way through to the end secondary school which i dont think is right. fair enough if you go to a catholic school, but i never did.

 

[mooSe_]

and how exactly are the bnp 'at odds with the current status-quo'?

i think some of their views are rather relevant and pertinent at the moment.

tbh I just wanted to say status-quo. What I meant was: they are extreme because their views are at odds with current mainstream views. I know there are lots of people who support their views, but compared with the number of people that don't, and with everything in the media, and the current government, they certainly seem extreme.

I'm not saying that being extremist makes them less relevant or pertinent, I'm saying it means that they are putting forward views which are different from what is currently generally accepted.

 

[Thadius]

But a lot of the population agree with the fact that the immigration policies need to be looked at.

Its just ironic a party comes along with that firmly in mind, yet all hell breaks loose!

 

[mooSe_]

I agree that the immigration policies need to be looked at, but I could never vote for the bnp for lots of reason, one of the major ones being that their solution to the immigration problem is too strong imo; it seems like more of a knee-jerk reaction to the current problem, which will cause more problems. Same with leaving the EU, there is plenty of problems with EU but imo leaving is a backwards step.
Them all being secretly racist isn't really that relevant to me, even when I take the party at face-value I still don't like their policies.

 

[Thadius]

None of the major parties have said anything I would go "wow" at in terms of immigration.

The BNP have gone the opposite and said things I look at and go "thats taking it a little too far".

 

[pwn]

This is exactly what the BNP wanted. Nick Griffin being tortured on Question Time yet employing a disgustingly polite and deceptively respectable demeanour (that is if we look past his facist ideologies). Not to mention the amount of publicity they are now getting. It immediately raises the BNP's profile. I can't believe the BBC took the bait, if they want to be bias against the BNP (which I am all for) then why give them the ultimate oppertunity to put forward their beliefs? I don't know what they were thinking, surely everyone knew the BNP were going to use this not to add to political discussion but to gain publicity.

Putting Nick Griffin on Question Time to show people how bad the BNP are makes no sense. Those with half a brain already know that behind their attempts to advertise themselves as a serious party, beneath it all is just a racist party that wouldn't know what to do with the more important issues; the economy, the war in the Middle East and the environment. All this does is to convince a lot of people who cannot see past Nick Griffin's politeness that perhaps the BNP does hold the answers to immigration (even though, in my opinion, the Conservatives and even Labour have better policies on this).

Part of me wants to see the BNP in power. Get all the foreigners and immigrants out and we'll see how long it takes for the country to go to shit.

 

[CorNokZ]

Part of me wants to see the BNP in power. Get all the foreigners and immigrants out and we'll see how long it takes for the country to go to shit.

This would mean that you'd actually have to work..

 

[pwn]

This would mean that you'd actually have to work..

This wasn't a jibe at immigrants and foreigners. I am a firm believer that if the BNP had their wish and they all got chucked out it would be a month before we are begging them to come back again. It may have worked much, much earlier but it is too late now, they make up a large proportion of our workforce. They are an integral part of our society and I am very happy to have them here.

 

[Everz]

I'm guessing the majority of you tarts do not live in areas of high immigration and little work? If you did then you'd understand that the mumblings of Griffin (the turd) is the feeling of those living in these areas.

 

[pwn]

I'm guessing the majority of you tarts do not live in areas of high immigration and little work? If you did then you'd understand that the mumblings of Griffin (the turd) is the feeling of those living in these areas.

I'm sorry, but how can you possibly make the assumption that those who support the BNP come from areas of 'high immigration and little work'? Even if the two are slightly correlated, it is no excuse for supporting the BNP. These people are ignorant.

 

[Raven]

Because humans generally look for something to blame when it all goes tits up, immigrants are the easy target.

 

[Lamp]

They always have been. Throughout history. And not just immigrants but people of different religion. People will continue to be persecuted because they're different.

 

[Everz]

I'm sorry, but how can you possibly make the assumption that those who support the BNP come from areas of 'high immigration and little work'? Even if the two are slightly correlated, it is no excuse for supporting the BNP. These people are ignorant.

Exactly, but it's the more then likely option that people are going to vote BNP due to the current 'open door' policy and the attitude of people in those areas, e.g. Wolverhampton's problems are all blamed on immigration, alot of support for BNP ideas in these parts.