Nick Griffin on Question Time tonight

[Lamp]

all publicity is good publicity

we always knew the BNP could never stand up to its own policies and arguments
but saying "this was just a BNP bashing" is stating the obvious and childishly naive and will play nicely into the bnp's hands
and what did you expect when the majority of the country hates the bnp? of course the audience are going to be against him, and the 3 main political parties have always been upfront about opposing what the bnp stand for - so nothing new there
I thought Dimbleby was fair to be honest and just did what he would with any controversial panelist and question him on the issues that were posed by the audience members.

Some people will have been persuaded to vote for him but we all know the BNP will never ever get into power because the vast majority of people in this country are decent

 

[Lamp]

BBC NEWS | Politics | Griffin attacks Islam on BBC show

If Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time has the ultimate effect of shaking the 'great' british public free of their political apathy and encourages them to ask probing questions, then his appearance will be a good thing

 

[Thadius]

Anyone else notice the lack of Black and Asian people during the protests?

Methinks it was just a load of students trying to be "cool" like the hippies

 

[Lamp]

No. I just saw a bunch of fucking idiots trying to storm the BBC's gates. Like the BBC were going to say "Oh look, there's 300 people at our gates protesting against Nick Griffin going on TV. Tell you what, lets not have him on"....As Michael Jackson once said, doesn't matter if they were black or white.

 

[Thadius]

When a politician is accused of being racist, it does for me.

Ethnic minorites have a voice too in this country, they should have stepped up the the plate and been at the gates in protest

 

[Ezteq]

...a bunch of fucking idiots trying to storm the BBC's gates. Like the BBC were going to say "Oh look, there's 300 people at our gates protesting against Nick Griffin going on TV. Tell you what, lets not have him on".....

if they were spartans the BBC would of shit itself tbh.

 

[Lamp]

There were in the audience in healthy numbers

Three of the QT panelists were "Ethnic minorities" (Jack Straw is Jewish, there was someone from the British Museum who was black, and there was a Tory who was Muslim)

Don't you think "ethnic minorities" are already incensed by what Nick Griffin says? They don't need to storm the gates, Thad lol you turkey

 

[Thadius]

It just kind of bothers me the majority of those protesting about "nazism" were young, white people.

In London, which is one of the most multicultural cities in the world.

Im not saying they should have stormed the gates and created hell in the BBC headquarters, it just would have made more of a statement if more people who were at the protest were from ethnic minorities.

 

[Lethul]

There was something similar in Sweden a couple of days ago. The leader of a party called Swedish Democracy (our most right flank party) wrote an article that Islam is the biggest threat to Swedens future. The day after he was in a TV-show defending the article against one of the top politicians in Sweden. And it was really amazing how easily he trashed the other politician. Im not racist or anything but he was head and shoulders above her in argumenting in this debate. And in some points i even had me nodding (especially when he dissed AB)

The debate went something like this (SD is for the leader of SC, and C for the leader of C)

SD: I wrote this article cause i think that this and this and this is wrong with our country.
C: BUT THAT IS RACIST!
SD: No i really don't think so. I don't mind immigrants if they show that they want to adapt to Sweden rather than Sweden adapts to them.
C: YOU ARE A RACIST! RACIST!
SD: No, thats not at all what im saying yadayada
C: RAAAACIST ! YOU AND YOUR PARTY ARE RACIST!

 

[Thadius]

Sounda bout right Lethul.

I think the majority of the people in the UK dont mind immigration, providing they adapt to the British way of life, ie learning the language, integrate into the community.

Its when you have people taking the piss out of the system, be it they black, white or rainbow coloured with fluorescent green spots, its when people get pissed off and have a rant.

Sadly if you DO rant against an ethnic minority, you automatically get branded a racist.

 

[Sparx]

i found the indiginous comment quite interesting, he made a point, albeit about silly, but everyone jumped on him for being Hitlers best friend instead of trying to look at the debate unbiased which the show i thought was about

 

[Thadius]

The bit about the indigenous population was quite amusing, the nearest thing we have to that is the CElts and the Picts. Everyone since then is an immigrant, especially those damn vikings and Anglo Saxons!

 

[Sparx]

The bit about the indigenous population was quite amusing, the nearest thing we have to that is the CElts and the Picts. Everyone since then is an immigrant, especially those damn vikings and Anglo Saxons!

Close, Scotland was split up to more than just Celts (who where Irish) and Picts (who were scottish)

 

[Chronictank]

Nice to see the audience and the panel was made up of anti-bnp people. So muh for a fair and honest BBC....

Thats just a stupid comment
Its a proportionate audience of the borough they are in, i.e. London (although they did get people from his borough too), It's always been like that on question time

or are you suggesting they purposefully fill the room with pro-bnp even though in reality they would only be a small percentage (as they were last night)

To be very honest he was given the opportunity to talk at the start and made a complete balls up of it, after that the others realized he had nothing and ripped into him

 

[Bugz]

It was a farce.

Badly structured; badly organised; badly run.

 

[Lamp]

It was a farce.

Badly structured; badly organised; badly run.

I don't think it was. Honestly, what did you expect to happen ?

The structure was EXACTLY the same as any other Question Time. I watch it every week. It wasn't badly run or organised. Nick Griffin's views move people to anger. The subject matter was 98% all about the BNP - but of course you're going to get that with Nick Griffin on the panel. I thought it was good TV and the BBC were absolutely right to have him as a panelist and the screen the programme. I despise everything the BNP stands for but 1 in 65 people in this country voted for him and the BNP have 2 MEP's and they are only going to get more votes the more pissed off people get and the more this government continues to fuck UK PLC up

 

[soze]

BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | What impact will Question Time have on politics?

This was posted in General it seems the popular view falls on his side

 

[BloodOmen]

Not a racist myself but you have to admit nick griffin does put forward some pretty powerful points/arguements, i'd vote for him.

 

[mooSe_]

Not a racist myself but you have to admit nick griffin does put forward some pretty powerful points/arguements, i'd vote for him.

i wouldn't

 

[Lamp]

Not a racist myself but you have to admit nick griffin does put forward some pretty powerful points/arguements, i'd vote for him.

Thats what the Germans said about Hitler

 

[tris-]

he is obviously a bull shitter, just as any politician. but for the most part, the answers he gave were very reasonable. i especially liked the retort about jack straws grandfather or w/e being in prison for refusing to fight hitler, while his own grandfather was in the RAF.

 

[Lamp]

His answers were not reasonable. He was out of his depth and firing off a one-liner to Jack Straw was petty and pointless. His remarks about indigenous Britains showed how ignorant he was. His remarks about Islam were hurtful and ignorant. He's an antisemite and his claims that Churchill would have been BNP are preposterous. He's a very confused man - thats what came across most to me

 

[tris-]

considering everyone in the studio was trying to kill him, i think he did well.

and his one liner was as pointless as the other digs at him.

 

[Lamp]

What nonsense. Griffin was questioned about his own policies and couldn't substantiate them. He was discredited as even more of an ignorant and confused man, although I can't help feeling he has already won over a few more voters...

 

[soze]

After talking about this in work its seems funny the "Educated" people think he got beaten in a debate. The Majority seem to think it was a ambush and he was bullied by a biased moderator and politicians with prepared speeches.

 

[Chronictank]

After talking about this in work its seems funny the "Educated" people think he got beaten in a debate. The Majority seem to think it was a ambush and he was bullied by a biased moderator and politicians with prepared speeches.

Because he was?

All he did spew out the usual rhetoric or downright lies, when pinned down on specific points he had nothing to say showing how completely hollow the BNP's policies are


The only people who have the view he was bullied by a biased moderator and set-up on the show are the ones who do not watch question time regularly because the "set-up" was exactly the same as any other week.
The difference however was that the debate was focused on one person (due to the audience controlling the questions being asked) who clearly did not prepare properly and was not up to the job so it was a crucification,

They all prepare answers on questions they think will come up before every show, and if he didn't catch onto the fact he should have something vetted and written for him (as he obviously was incapable of doing it himself on the spot) for questions that were almost certainly going to come up, they are bigger idiots for voting for him to make real decisions which affect the country

 

[soze]

6 Million more people than normal watched it this week probably expecting to see him get questioned over policy and then having that policy torn down. That's not what happened though so even if it is the same every week and i admit i have no idea, it still looked like a massive fit up and he came over as a victim.

 

[Chronictank]

Thats the problem and the benefit of a show like that, it is controlled by the audience. It's gives the public a forum to question politicians etc.. on things they want to know without the spin doctors fluffing things out.

unfortunately the show was not focused on his policies for the most part (although even when it was he was pretty crap at answering questions), but that is hardly the fault of the producers is it? if they are the questions put in then thats the direction it took

I did find the audience immensely irritating with the pantomime boo'ing and cheering though, that usually is not as extreme as last night (although it does happen to a lesser degree, take the mayoral election episode for example)

 

[soze]

Surly when it goes OT and off course its the Presenters job to reign the audience in and get it back on topic? But it seemed he was more interested in slapping him down than doing that.

 

[Ch3tan]

all publicity is good publicity

we always knew the BNP could never stand up to its own policies and arguments
but saying "this was just a BNP bashing" is stating the obvious and childishly naive and will play nicely into the bnp's hands
and what did you expect when the majority of the country hates the bnp? of course the audience are going to be against him, and the 3 main political parties have always been upfront about opposing what the bnp stand for - so nothing new there
I thought Dimbleby was fair to be honest and just did what he would with any controversial panelist and question him on the issues that were posed by the audience members.

Some people will have been persuaded to vote for him but we all know the BNP will never ever get into power because the vast majority of people in this country are decent

This^ Thad, Raven, what did you expect? Griffin wanted this chance to have a huge audience, if he had any substance to his arguments he would not have been roasted so badly. As a politician and the leader of a party he should be subject to harsh questioning.