NHS 'failing to tackle obesity' ??

[Tom]

Originally posted by dysfunction
Its cheaper than junk food

Next time you're in Tesco or wherever, compare the prices of 20 chicken nuggets with a cabbage.

 

[sad_mung]

Originally posted by Tom
Because they're addicted.

3 people in my office smoke and when asked why don't they stop smoking, none of them said "Because I'm addicted , I need help to quit.". No, what they said was, "Because I like to smoke".

What they failed to add was "Because I like to smoke and likely die younger."
And don't tell me that if they were addicted they couldn't seek help, and as for being addicted to food, what on earth are you talking about? People don't eat excessivley due to an addiction. A mental problem maybe but not an addiction.

 

[Testin da Cable]

sorry, but addictions make you do and say strange things. There were times when I enjoyed smoking and there were times when I thought it was disgusting. I quit after the habit made me terribly ill for a long period of time. Even after recovering, and even now 7 years later I sometimes fantasize about lighting up and having puff, even though I know full well it will taste terrible and make me feel sick.

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by sad_mung
as for being addicted to food, what on earth are you talking about? People don't eat excessivley due to an addiction. A mental problem maybe but not an addiction.

You can become addicted to carbs. And anyway alot of addiction isn't physical, it's psychological. Still addiction though.

 

[sad_mung]

Did you know we are biologically programmed to enjoy the tase of fatty foods?

It stems from breast milk apparently. God knows why, It tastes horrible!

 

[dysfunction]

Originally posted by sad_mung
It stems from breast milk apparently. God knows why, It tastes horrible!

Ive not had an opportunity to try breast milk since I was a baby and I cant remember that far back

 

[Gekul]

Originally posted by sad_mung
It stems from breast milk apparently. God knows why, It tastes horrible!

*pictures the scene from me, myself and Irene.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by sad_mung
3 people in my office smoke and when asked why don't they stop smoking, none of them said "Because I'm addicted , I need help to quit.". No, what they said was, "Because I like to smoke".

<snip>

and as for being addicted to food, what on earth are you talking about? People don't eat excessivley due to an addiction. A mental problem maybe but not an addiction.

:wall: :wall:

You plainly don't have the first clue what you're talking about. You don't think food is addictive? Where do you think diabetes comes from? The Moon?

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by dysfunction
Ive not been near a breast since I was a baby and I cant remember that far back

Sorry I am truly bored

 

[dysfunction]

Why you little...

*strangles tdc*

 

[pcg79]

Fat tax - i thought they were doing that? Thats why KFC and McDs have 'healthy' salads now {i wonder if they actually ARE healthy}

the idea behind laws such as helmets and seatbelts is partly to protect the first party but also 3rd parties. like someone said, if youre not wearing a seatbelt in the back of the car then you could kill the driver.

but then after you killed them, WE [well, the taxpayers] would have to pay for YOU to recover in hospital, because YOU didnt follow the law.

also, does anyone know any cheap, easy and healthy meals for when youre at home [i cant cook for shit]

 

[Testin da Cable]

Originally posted by pcg79
Thats why KFC and McDs have 'healthy' salads now {i wonder if they actually ARE healthy}

they only are after you drown them in dressing. blue cheese if at all possible

 

[pcg79]

i smelt blue cheese once.

uke:

 

[Delboy]

Healthy food

Those soups that you get in pint cartons. Pop them into a large bowl and microwave for 3 mins. Add some bread if you like, and voila!

Those trays of pasta that have cheese/meat inside them. 3 mins in boiling water and theyre ready, add peppers, sauce etc...

Packets of "Kettles" brand - Corn chips and Salsa tubs are health too.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by pcg79
also, does anyone know any cheap, easy and healthy meals for when youre at home [i cant cook for shit]

Fried Tuna Steak ingrediants:

Olive Oil
Tuna steak (£2.50)
Lemon juice
Side salad (all supermarkets sell em) (£1.50)

Bung the Tuna in the pan, with some oil, and a bit of lemon juice. Fry it until it turns brown. Whack it on the plate, put the salad on the side, pour olive oil over the salad. Eat. Total preparation time = 15 minutes.

For Dessert, strawberries and double cream, with Splenda sweetner if you need it sweetening.



Right now I'm grilling some swordfish wrapped in foil, with 3 slices of bacon on the swordfish with seasalt and lemon juice.

 

[Ekydus]

Yeah right leggy.

I suppose that means the NHS should get commission from every food and drink purchase aswell?

 

[The_Sheriff]

Originally posted by Tom
:wall: :wall:

You plainly don't have the first clue what you're talking about. You don't think food is addictive? Where do you think diabetes comes from? The Moon?

Tom, what the hell has the pancreas inability to produce sufficient insulin got to do with food addiction?

My own mother is a diabetic, I work in a hospital and after fifteen years have picked up enough basic knowledge to know a bit about diabetes....I suggest you educate yourself by reading THIS and then go and :wall:, so don't tell me that I don't have a clue.

:EDIT: Doh this is another of SAD_MUNG aliases!

 

[Tom]

Type 2 diabetes is believed to develop when:

the receptors on cells in the body that normally respond to the action of insulin fail to be stimulated by it - this is known as insulin resistance. In response to this more insulin may be produced, and this over-production exhausts the insulin-manufacturing cells in the pancreas;

From your own site. Basically, people who are addicted to sugar and excess intake of carbohydrates become so proficient at producing insulin, that the above occurs. If you've worked in a hospital for so long, then you may have noticed that many people with a sweet tooth develop diabetes.

Oh, and I didn't tell you that you didn't have a clue, although maybe you should read what you preach before you try it on me.

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by Ekydus
Yeah right leggy.

I suppose that means the NHS should get commission from every food and drink purchase aswell?

Listen buddy fuck off.

I was merely making a point that someone has to take some action and the best organisation would be a government funded one like the NHS.

I gave up continuing the discussion becuase of retarded comments like the one you made.

 

[sad_mung]

Originally posted by Tom
From your own site. Basically, people who are addicted to sugar and excess intake of carbohydrates become so proficient at producing insulin, that the above occurs. If you've worked in a hospital for so long, then you may have noticed that many people with a sweet tooth develop diabetes.

Oh, and I didn't tell you that you didn't have a clue, although maybe you should read what you preach before you try it on me.

From the same site...

Eating sweets or the wrong kind of food does not cause diabetes. However, it may cause obesity and this is associated with people developing Type 2 diabetes.

Which means that fat people are predisposed to diabetes, not all fatties get it. It does not stem from an addiction to food as you originally stated.

 

[Will]

Originally posted by leggy
I was merely making a point that someone has to take some action and the best organisation would be a government funded one like the NHS.

HEBS in Scotland has been doing "healthy eating" / "do a little fucking exercise" for a good few years. I think it would be a very good idea for the NHS to run a little education and a few leaflets in the rest of the UK. Some people really don't link the crap they eat to the size they are.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by sad_mung
From the same site...



Which means that fat people are predisposed to diabetes, not all fatties get it. It does not stem from an addiction to food as you originally stated.

Being fat usually does stem from an addiction to food, and therefore diabetes is indirectly caused by addiction to carbs/sugar. That's the last comment I'm going to make.

 

[sad_mung]

I refuse to enter into a battle of wits with you - its against my moral code to attack an unarmed person.

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

The problem is circular. To become addicted you have to eat loads of crap in the first place. In fact, anything can be addictive if you eat enough. Ive had times where i cant stop eating oranges (dont ask me why).

Dont eat like a fucking idiot then you wont become a gluttonous pig, and wont have to worry about having to break the addiction.

 

[granny]

I work in a clinical/research department specialising in obesity and diabetes.

Obesity is a crippling and extremely complicated condition. It involves psychology, physiology, social & environmental factors.

The level if ignorance displayed by some of the posters on this thread is frankly shocking and disappointing, but, unfortunately no more than is to be expected of these forums nowadays. To simplify the whole issue with a crass attitude of "it's their own fault, they should just eat less" is a pathetic knee-jerk response that demonstrates no compassion or willingness to understand. I suggest that those of you who feel like that educate yourselves or at the very least start strongly questioning your sources of information about the world.

Those of you who recognise that obesity (and the myriad other serious issues that are regularly denigrated on these boards) is a complex issue that demands research, understanding and thought - why are you here? I was pointed at this thread by someone who knows I work in obesity and was hoping I'd refute some of the utter nonsense spouted by some people here. I'm not going to, it's clearly a waste of time. I stopped regularly looking at these boards a long time ago beause of the miasma of ignorant and reactionary idiots here and I suggest you save yourselves from it too

 

[granny]

Originally posted by Tom
Being fat usually does stem from an addiction to food, and therefore diabetes is indirectly caused by addiction to carbs/sugar. That's the last comment I'm going to make.

The only thing I will say is that the link between diet and (type 2) diabetes is still poorly understood.

It's known as "syndrome x" whereby lipid dysregulation (whether a product or a cause of obesity isn't known) occurs in patients who then become insulin-resistant. There are many possible pathways this could be happening through including PI3-kinase, PKC-theta and a range of other phosphylation signal pathways.

As far as "addiction" to food (especially high-sugar, fatty foods) is concerned there's a lot of evidence suggesting that there are breakdowns in the satiety receptors and combined with psychologic pressures and problems the resulting phsyiological conditions are extremely hard to treat.

 

[granny]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
Dont eat like a fucking idiot then you wont become a gluttonous pig, and wont have to worry about having to break the addiction.

And that kind of statement is simply wrong, damaging and idiotic.

 

[granny]

Originally posted by sad_mung
3 people in my office smoke and when asked why don't they stop smoking, none of them said "Because I'm addicted , I need help to quit.". No, what they said was, "Because I like to smoke".

What they failed to add was "Because I like to smoke and likely die younger."

I'm afraid you've completely failed to understand how addiction works. For almost all addictions there are both physiological and psychological aspects of the addiction and usually the psychological side is by far the hardest to break. Self-delusion is a massive component of such psychological factors.

And nowadays all smokers have an understanding of the health risks involved. Understanding that smokers still smoke even knowing that they are shortening their lives might give you some inkling of understanding into the nature of addiction.

Originally posted by sad_mung
And don't tell me that if they were addicted they couldn't seek help, and as for being addicted to food, what on earth are you talking about? People don't eat excessivley due to an addiction. A mental problem maybe but not an addiction.

Again, simply wrong. You are very clearly simply opining without any actual knowledge of the subject. Eating disorders are some of the most complicated conditions known to medicine. Food has a particularly complex position in society for a number of reasons, most of which stem (in my opinion) from the fact that food is created for profit rather than for need. There are both physiological and psychological factors involved the huge range of eating disorders that present regularly in clinics throughout the Western world.

 

[Tom]

Finally, some sanity.

 

[throdgrain]

The main problem afftecting fat people is their weight!