NF nerfing PBAE?

[Stallion]

Just some toughts about NF and pbae.
With all the new RA changes Moc/Mom "nerf".

Its pretty much an ALL or NOTHING with moc in NF. As of a pbae's perspective. No1 would find any use of having moc1 or moc2 for dmg dealing, 75-50% dmg reduction would only mean "interrupts". Spending 30 point for a 30 sec interruptable (amnesia) 25% dmg reduction ability is alot. And with MoM beeing nerfed there is no way you will get close to 100% dmg again.

Previously moc/pbae was very effective against morons who didn't walk away. Anyone with common sense would move away from the PBAE and wait for MoC to be gone, then kill the casters. The way it is now tanks can stand around pbae all day long if they have decent support.

Point is that casters can no longer dish out the same DPS to counter heals/common sense via PBAE. Now DD casters can live with the current nerfs ect, because they have a much better chance at taking down that one target where range/variance doesn't matter.

This nerf is even larger for low utility casters as enchanters/ice wizzies?
Speccing light as chanter isnt verry viable in group rvr as mentas/elds have so much higher use. Wizards dont have much to come with fire specced either. Do I feel the end of the fotm class? Which is good in some ways but stupid to only let 1 (overpowered)viable spec on a char and nerf it.

And just with toa out now I feel a great difference with pbae. its not as viable anymore as hybrid groups are the one's winning the real fights.

Summary: Enchanters sooon at a tie with Wizards Pbae at its last step.

 

[liloe]

well I dunno, I think you agree if I say that you don't use MoC everytime you PB enemies, so it must work without to some point, but I gotta agree that MoC PB is no longer a terrific combo. Then again, single DD casters are good, too, I mean we're running with light spec ppl quite all the time and 700+ dmg is not too bad I think =) The deal is ofc, that you can't do a box and MoC if something comes up, it's never perfect, like no combo will ever be (even a fotm combo has leaks I guess).

I think we'll see with coming NF how effective PBAE will be

 

[katt!]

Previously moc/pbae was very effective against morons who didn't walk away.

Hi der grapple!

 

[Icebreaker]

Hi der grapple!

Oh Yea because we have grapple since the Game started...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................someone hand him a brain

 

[katt!]

Oh Yea because we have grapple since the Game started...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................someone hand him a brain

Your point being? Previously it was very effective against morons who didnt walk away - now it is effective against everyone since they cant walk away.

dumb fucking zerger.

 

[Icebreaker]

Your point being? Previously it was very effective against morons who didnt walk away - now it is effective against everyone since they cant walk away.

dumb fucking zerger.

Oh! Now you have written it correct. Before it was only grapple. Who bought you the brain? xD

 

[Xeanor]

my thoughts on this: (and i'm not pointing at anyone)

-n00b chanters who could kill noone except when they used MoC are removed
-n00bs pbaoe'ing through doors at keeps removed (was anyway with ToA kinda (DD storm))
-in NF, pbaoe doesn't go through any wall or door anymore, even better

was bad seeing the biggest noobs just kill enemies by using moc and stupid people swarming them...


and tbh, fire wizard is still quite good when you pump him up with ToA bonuses and add a body sorc. bolts do shitloads even without debuff, can bolt casters down in 2s.

 

[Xplo]

Enchanters still have debuff + base nuke and elds their snare nuke so whots the problem? ;o

 

[Rulke]

Oh! Now you have written it correct. Before it was only grapple. Who bought you the brain? xD

I thought stallions post was conparing now to post NF? In both cases grapple exists so icebreaker your comments are completly irrelevant. May as well say "but you were the only realm with PB and end regen too!".

PBAOE+MoC is deadly, add grapple and its stupid... MoC nerf is a good thing, just a pity it lasts longer in NF.

 

[Icebreaker]

I thought stallions post was conparing now to post NF? In both cases grapple exists so icebreaker your comments are completly irrelevant. May as well say "but you were the only realm with PB and end regen too!".

PBAOE+MoC is deadly, add grapple and its stupid... MoC nerf is a good thing, just a pity it lasts longer in NF.

Not everyone has grapple.......And i have seen ppl walking happily into the pbaoe without being grappled. Mainly Albs who can't think without an Brainalb

 

[Rulke]

Yeah but its not like running out of PBAoE is a perfect solution, I hear casters even have ranged spells these days?

 

[Fluid]

Your point being? Previously it was very effective against morons who didnt walk away - now it is effective against everyone since they cant walk away.

dumb fucking zerger.

savages can walk away :<

 

[Tiki]

savages can walk away :<

oh no :< what tactics can u use too counter that?

 

[Dorin]

morons dont have decent support.

oh and i wont cry a river if chanters dps drops -_- with toa and pow relics they are fooking insane now.

 

[Garbannoch]

As it looks now NF RvR is just one big zerg fest and therefore aoe damage is king. For quality RvR (ie fg vs fg) i would rather take dd casters in NF cause you wont need moc for those and can invest in dps boosting passives (acuity, mom, wp, dex).
I am happy I got an eldritch - all 3 speclines could be viable in NF and I am definitely gonna try them all

 

[Archeon]

Yeah but its not like running out of PBAoE is a perfect solution, I hear casters even have ranged spells these days?

Smells like a hack, have you reported these cheating fucktards to GOA?

 

[Flimgoblin]

a pbaoe enchanter will be like a pbaoe wizard

except they get a baseline bluecon pet that can nuke and debuffs for their baseline nuke (unlike the ice wizard one - though they do get a 10% debuff that's not worth casting..)

 

[Sharpo]

a pbaoe enchanter will be like a pbaoe wizard

except they get a baseline bluecon pet that can nuke and debuffs for their baseline nuke (unlike the ice wizard one - though they do get a 10% debuff that's not worth casting..)

why would you use that when it will melee the second its interupted?

 

[Flimgoblin]

why would you use that when it will melee the second its interupted?

ok ok use the healpet then either way it's still better than the nothing an ice wiz gets

 

[emma]

Just some toughts about NF and pbae.
With all the new RA changes Moc/Mom "nerf".

Its pretty much an ALL or NOTHING with moc in NF. As of a pbae's perspective. No1 would find any use of having moc1 or moc2 for dmg dealing, 75-50% dmg reduction would only mean "interrupts". Spending 30 point for a 30 sec interruptable (amnesia) 25% dmg reduction ability is alot. And with MoM beeing nerfed there is no way you will get close to 100% dmg again.

Previously moc/pbae was very effective against morons who didn't walk away. Anyone with common sense would move away from the PBAE and wait for MoC to be gone, then kill the casters. The way it is now tanks can stand around pbae all day long if they have decent support.

Point is that casters can no longer dish out the same DPS to counter heals/common sense via PBAE. Now DD casters can live with the current nerfs ect, because they have a much better chance at taking down that one target where range/variance doesn't matter.

This nerf is even larger for low utility casters as enchanters/ice wizzies?
Speccing light as chanter isnt verry viable in group rvr as mentas/elds have so much higher use. Wizards dont have much to come with fire specced either. Do I feel the end of the fotm class? Which is good in some ways but stupid to only let 1 (overpowered)viable spec on a char and nerf it.

And just with toa out now I feel a great difference with pbae. its not as viable anymore as hybrid groups are the one's winning the real fights.

Summary: Enchanters sooon at a tie with Wizards Pbae at its last step.

the bit in bold made me laugh.

enchanters > wizards for utility. infact its stupid even compairing a pet class to a primary nuker class.

 

[Mrmuscle]

ok ok use the healpet then either way it's still better than the nothing an ice wiz gets

or the wtf pwnzor pet the RM get jez adept or delete

 

[Sharpo]

ok ok use the healpet then either way it's still better than the nothing an ice wiz gets

why would you use the healpet when it starts to cast a hot when you tell it to attack someone ?

 

[Jergiot]

Just some toughts about NF and pbae.
Previously moc/pbae was very effective against morons who didn't walk away. Anyone with common sense would move away from the PBAE and wait for MoC to be gone, then kill the casters.

funny how u say this like chanters/elds dont have any ranged attack xD

heat debuff, dd, dd, dd, dead stuff in less then 3 secs zzZzZ

ps. hej stajj :wub:

 

[Phule_Gubben]

a pbaoe enchanter will be like a pbaoe wizard

except they get a baseline bluecon pet that can nuke and debuffs for their baseline nuke (unlike the ice wizard one - though they do get a 10% debuff that's not worth casting..)

Don't forget the best thing all hib casterclasses get -STUN- and even as baseline.

I still wonder what Mythic thought about when they gave a casterclass that tool.

 

[Stallion]

im not saying enchanters are neglecting range. but you cant compare a light enchanter with any other (dd specced caster) wizard is the closest u can come. Point of post was and stil is pbae + moc beeing nerfed which I think is good, but it hits some more then others.. you wanna say enchanters debuff + base dd is good? sure is good for quick deaths. just that it requires 2.5 x the mana as a dd specced. But I guess as more casters will try new specs enchanters debuffs will be even more useful..

 

[Stallion]

the bit in bold made me laugh.

enchanters > wizards for utility. infact its stupid even compairing a pet class to a primary nuker class.

utility in what way excactly? high dps output is all they have.

 

[tazzbe]

Remember those relics also, you guys have been used to play with max casting damage for....well since ever really (and if you lost em, took em back within 24 hours...shock horror to play without the extra damage)

As we hear from US servers, biggest zerg gets the relics. And i'm kinda glad hibs will have to face what alb fg will suffer from...not being able to kill everything in 3 sec. And not just run in and pb everything to pieces.

For me (and i think a lot of Albs) NF will finally bring some longer & more equal fights...altho most decent Mid or Hib groups are running around with RR8+ cause of the easy farming you had for such a long time (probably random albs will get killed just as easy...just some more experienced groups will put up a whole different fight).

Nothing more boring than have a 95% chance of winning a fight tbh...and thats the case when Hib/Mid high ranked fg meets a "random" alb fg.

 

[Kalba]

How I see NF is...

Lots of LAG, and I mean A LOT.

More servercrashes.

Biggest Zerg wins.

Tanks will be Cannon fodder.

Oh well, nothing is as important as gardening, and even that isnt that important...

 

[Dracus]

or the wtf pwnzor pet the RM get jez adept or delete

U mean the uber pet runemasters get? omg..they need nerf...im sure the spiritmaster, who actually has the pet feels nerfed... and no proper DD spec on SM...dark LT spec is good...no doubt...but 183 delve < 209 or 219 imo...even if it does LT.

/Dracus

 

[Kalba]

Oh yeah, Stall. Eventough you'd only do 75% of damage, it will last twice as long and have 1/3 reuse timer of the one you have now... of course it costs more but still.