[NEWS] Police Dogs Left In Car On Hottest Day

[GimmlyThe3rd]

Police Dogs Left In Car On Hottest Day Die - Yahoo! News

Two police dogs have died after they were left in a car on the hottest day of the year. The adult Belgian Malanois and the German Shepherd puppy were found collapsed in an unventilated vehicle at the force's training centre in Keston, Kent, on Sunday.

Staff smashed their way into the vehicle to rescue the dogs but the animals did not survive.
The dogs were discovered at about 11am in the back of their trainer's own car when temperatures had already reached almost 30C in the South East - the hottest day on record so far this year.
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Sucks to read for an a animal lover like me and German Sheppards are my favorite.

I understand not everyone is semi intelligent, but why are so many people so fucking thick? Seems to be increasing in the worlds population, stupid wankers everywhere.

 

[TdC]

holy shit, what a bunch of retards :/

 

[bainteor]

This kind of thing happens all the time - it's only been reported because it is the police. I am not trying to offend people for the sake of it - but the fact that it was the most read story on the BBC news website yesterday is pretty pathetic -.-

 

[TdC]

tbh I don't particularly care about these specific dogs. I'm not pleased this happened, don't get me wrong, but like you say this thing/dogs/animals/humans die horribly all the time. What gets on my tits, is that these kinds of trained animals are a very expensive and exclusive resource, which cost a great deal of time and effort to be trained to a high level, and thus should be cherished, looked after carefully by extremely responsible people and so handled with the greatest of care. Just like you would do with any carefully selected, costly and dangerous tool.

imo the trainer should be banned from ever handling animals again, on grounds of having a broken brain.

 

[Tom]

Maybe his brain has been broken due to the stresses of work, created by a poor management structure.

I'm just saying. Not everything is as simple as "it's his fault".

 

[Ctuchik]

What gets on my tits, is that these kinds of trained animals are a very expensive and exclusive resource, which cost a great deal of time and effort to be trained to a high level, and thus should be cherished, looked after carefully by extremely responsible people and so handled with the greatest of care. Just like you would do with any carefully selected, costly and dangerous tool.

Like say, a baby?

Oh wait...

Baby Dies After He Was Left In Hot Car With Toddler, Woman | digtriad.com

xD

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

Maybe his brain has been broken due to the stresses of work, created by a poor management structure.

I'm just saying. Not everything is as simple as "it's his fault".

Yes it is, his house was on fire? left his gas on? Couldn't open a fucking window?

No excuse, its not leaving your bag in the car. It's a pair of fucking living animals he gets paid by the gov to look after.

 

[Gumbo]

The only excuse would be if he collapsed on the way to sign in or something extremely short term. If anyone should know better it is a professional dog handler.

Clear cut gross misconduct, akin to a firearms officer leaving his weapon on the table in a Caff, or a traffic officer letting a chav take his vehicle for a spin.

 

[TdC]

Maybe his brain has been broken due to the stresses of work, created by a poor management structure.

I'm just saying. Not everything is as simple as "it's his fault".

I don't mean to be rude, but he's a dog trainer. What stress?*

















*Note: this is said from the perspective of one who works in multinational enterprise.

 

[TdC]

Like say, a baby?

Oh wait...

Baby Dies After He Was Left In Hot Car With Toddler, Woman | digtriad.com

xD

indeed. anything bad that happens to an animal, or baby human, while it's under your (speaking generally) supervision is ENTIRELY your fault.

if you can't deal with your life that day, feel emo/weak/incapable, are on your period, had a three day booze bender, whatever makes you feel you can't hack doing what you're supposed to do, then man the hell up and call in sick.

 

[rynnor]

If the guys not a complete asshat he'll be in pieces over the loss of his dog - anyone can make a mistake and sadly they sometimes have tragic consequences.

If he knowingly did it and thought they'd be ok they should throw the book at him.

 

[Tom]

Yes it is, his house was on fire? left his gas on? Couldn't open a fucking window?

No excuse, its not leaving your bag in the car. It's a pair of fucking living animals he gets paid by the gov to look after.

So following your train of logic, the individual concerned simply "couldn't be arsed" to look after them.

Presumably that was his line of thought when he attempted to commit suicide. Does that strike you as the action of someone not under a hell of a lot of stress?

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

So following your train of logic, the individual concerned simply "couldn't be arsed" to look after them.

Presumably that was his line of thought when he attempted to commit suicide. Does that strike you as the action of someone not under a hell of a lot of stress?

I'm under a hell of a lot of stress, I have to make rent and loan payments. I've got a business on brink of failure and million other things. I still have enough time to look after my place, my things and my missus.

I think if I was a fuckin dog handler, I could at least open the window .... it's 100% his fault, no excuses, should be burned at the stake, period.

Anyone that disagrees and sympathetic with stress, needs to man up and stop being such a pussy. What happened to real men? Now everyone's like a girl on a period, claiming depression benefits and moping around.

"Stress" pft .... go down the pub after work, get pissed and chat up some birds if you're stressed ...

 

[Corran]

If the guys not a complete asshat he'll be in pieces over the loss of his dog - anyone can make a mistake and sadly they sometimes have tragic consequences.

If he knowingly did it and thought they'd be ok they should throw the book at him.

He was off at some meeting and remembered, phoned back and got people to go but it was too late. Apparently he was then being driven back there, jumped out of a moving car and tried to slit his wrists, and is now been taken into care under mental health act.

But this is not the first time, apparently it happened years ago to another dog in his care which is rediculous. But trying to kill yourself when you got a family is even more rediculous. Figure he knew he faces a term in prison as it the second time it happened and this now gives grounds for a conditional discharge etc

 

[Tom]

I'm under a hell of a lot of stress, I have to make rent and loan payments. I've got a business on brink of failure and million other things. I still have enough time to look after my place, my things and my missus.

I think if I was a fuckin dog handler, I could at least open the window .... it's 100% his fault, no excuses, should be burned at the stake, period.

Anyone that disagrees and sympathetic with stress, needs to man up and stop being such a pussy. What happened to real men? Now everyone's like a girl on a period, claiming depression benefits and moping around.

"Stress" pft .... go down the pub after work, get pissed and chat up some birds if you're stressed ...

Ooooo you have to make "rent and loan payments". Guess what genius, so does everybody else. My guess is that you have no idea what you're talking about, but that would be par for the course for your average internet hardman.

I'll ask you again, since you ignored my last questions. Do you think that this officer meant to let these dogs die, and do you think that his suicide attempt was the action of someone not under a great deal of stress?

 

[Gumbo]

I don't think he meant for them to die, but he has to face the consequences. There's lots of occasions where people have to be punished, not for wilful acts, but because of inattention or incompetence. This is one of them.

He will certainly lose his job, and is likely to face a criminal prosecution. That is appropriate. You can't say it's not right to punish him because he was stressed. Being stressed, in a stressful profession, is not a get out of jail free card.

 

[rynnor]

I must say after hearing that he had killed a police dog in 2004 in the same way I have pretty much lost all sympathy - if you dont learn from an earlier tragedy theres no hope for you tbh.

Its like a drink driver who runs over someone who gets back in the car and does it again.

 

[ford prefect]

I wish I could say it is the first time I have heard of this happening but it isn't. I know of three similar instances in South Wales and Bristol last year.

Around three years ago South Wales Police issued a change in policy after a police dog was kenneled at a station (I won't name it), at 6:30 pm - every Police Station have a staff changeover period between 7pm and 8pm. The dog in question was found dead in the kennel five days later, simply because the appropriate paperwork hadn't been filled out and nobody new it was there. The incident was very much brushed under the carpet too.

 

[TdC]

If the guys not a complete asshat he'll be in pieces over the loss of his dog - anyone can make a mistake and sadly they sometimes have tragic consequences.

If he knowingly did it and thought they'd be ok they should throw the book at him.

I don't think he knowingly did it, but I do think he's a complete asshat.

Presumably that was his line of thought when he attempted to commit suicide. Does that strike you as the action of someone not under a hell of a lot of stress?

Perhaps. There is nothing wrong with asking someone for help. If he's stressed to the point where he's considering killing himself then he should have asked for help a long while ago. I know I just said should have, and hindsight is awesome, but there are very helpful people about and all you have to do is open your mouth. I work in a very high stress environment, and have experienced people literally fall off their seats, unable to take it, passing out, etc. By that time, you've broken yourself. That's wrong. One can take action FAR before that happens.

I think if I was a fuckin dog handler, I could at least open the window ....

exactly.

He was off at some meeting and remembered, phoned back and got people to go but it was too late. Apparently he was then being driven back there, jumped out of a moving car and tried to slit his wrists, and is now been taken into care under mental health act.

But this is not the first time, apparently it happened years ago to another dog in his care which is rediculous. But trying to kill yourself when you got a family is even more rediculous. Figure he knew he faces a term in prison as it the second time it happened and this now gives grounds for a conditional discharge etc

why did he have dogs with him when going to a meeting? how can he forget them. why weren't the dogs in a specialist ventilated transport?

I must say after hearing that he had killed a police dog in 2004 in the same way I have pretty much lost all sympathy - if you dont learn from an earlier tragedy theres no hope for you tbh.

Its like a drink driver who runs over someone who gets back in the car and does it again.

who to the what now? this happened before? harsh. All his "stress", and now this. What a tard tbh. Sorry, but 0 sympathy from Teedles today.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

Ooooo you have to make "rent and loan payments". Guess what genius, so does everybody else. My guess is that you have no idea what you're talking about, but that would be par for the course for your average internet hardman.

I'll ask you again, since you ignored my last questions. Do you think that this officer meant to let these dogs die, and do you think that his suicide attempt was the action of someone not under a great deal of stress?

Real life hard man too

So I see you are not making any valid points but insults. And can't explain how a dog handler in a meeting didn't even care to open the car window for his dogs. How about you come here and I park a car in the sun and lock you in it while I go for a shit and a sandwich, stress be ok for an excuse?

 

[Job]

What we need to do is make it a higher profile problem and give some guidance to the public, if you see a dog or human in a car on a hot day and you believe it's life to be in danger , you can smash the windows to let it out and they need to make this clear and a culture of acceptance for this needs to be put in the public domain.
People forget or just don't think, those excuses don't bring anything dead back.

 

[ford prefect]

Dog Handlers actually have the dogs with them in the car most of the time, however the cars also have full climate control in them, which can run without a key in the ignition. They are designed to make the dog as comfortable as possible in adverse weather conditions. Obviously the system wasn't turned on in this case, but as I said earlier, it wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Tom]

Real life hard man too

So I see you are not making any valid points but insults. And can't explain how a dog handler in a meeting didn't even care to open the car window for his dogs. How about you come here and I park a car in the sun and lock you in it while I go for a shit and a sandwich, stress be ok for an excuse?

No of course I can't explain it, because like you, I don't have access to the facts. My ignorance doesn't mean I'm automatically going to condemn somebody I've never met, though it apparently doesn't stop you, does it?

So how about you answer my questions?

 

[Job]

A ten quid temp alarm wouldn't go a miss either.

 

[rynnor]

Obviously the system wasn't turned on in this case, but as I said earlier, it wouldn't be the first time.

I read he actually had them in the back of his own hatchback - not a dog patrol car and pretty small air volume so would heat up quickly.

He drove to the dog training centre in kent then headed offsite to the Olympic stadium for a meeting.

Not sure why he brought the dogs in at all - one was just a puppy and not trained.

Also the kent site has its own kennels where he could/should have left them.

 

[ford prefect]

I read he actually had them in the back of his own hatchback - not a dog patrol car and pretty small air volume so would heat up quickly.

He drove to the dog training centre in kent then headed offsite to the Olympic stadium for a meeting.

Not sure why he brought the dogs in at all - one was just a puppy and not trained.

Also the kent site has its own kennels where he could/should have left them.

Ah right.

 

[rynnor]

Oh and the spaniel that died in his car in 2004 was parked at the same dog training centre - strangely he remained in the dog service and was even promoted after that one.

 

[TdC]

No of course I can't explain it, because like you, I don't have access to the facts. My ignorance doesn't mean I'm automatically going to condemn somebody I've never met, though it apparently doesn't stop you, does it?

So how about you answer my questions?

tbh MY ignorance still allows me to label someone who leaves a living creature in a closed car on a hot day a 'tard, and condemn them on that alone.

so you're saying that someone who does the above is exhibiting perfectly valid behaviour?

 

[DaGaffer]

He was off at some meeting and remembered, phoned back and got people to go but it was too late. Apparently he was then being driven back there, jumped out of a moving car and tried to slit his wrists, and is now been taken into care under mental health act.

But this is not the first time, apparently it happened years ago to another dog in his care which is rediculous. But trying to kill yourself when you got a family is even more rediculous. Figure he knew he faces a term in prison as it the second time it happened and this now gives grounds for a conditional discharge etc

I must say after hearing that he had killed a police dog in 2004 in the same way I have pretty much lost all sympathy - if you dont learn from an earlier tragedy theres no hope for you tbh.

Its like a drink driver who runs over someone who gets back in the car and does it again.

Where are you getting this from? BBC article said the officer hasn't been named.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

No of course I can't explain it, because like you, I don't have access to the facts. My ignorance doesn't mean I'm automatically going to condemn somebody I've never met, though it apparently doesn't stop you, does it?

So how about you answer my questions?

What questions haven't I answered? I see, I suppose you don't condemn Ian Huntley either because you haven't "met him"?

What more do you need, he was a dog handler, he left 2 dogs in a car in 30C weather while he was in a meeting. He didn't even bother to open window a nudge. And also, HES A FUCKING DOG HANDLER, have a guess what kinda work that job involves ....