New patch, sbs happy now?xD

[Melachi]

Btw, any infil that is thinking of respecing to slash, needs their head checked.

str/dex = higher weaponskill for saracens, and less effect from debuff
dragonfang = still worthwhile style
pierce = nice underused style from what i see

what does slash offer? 10% bonus to mid leather? Heh, enter ToA, legendary heat weapons, 15% bonus to mid and hib leather :x

 

[Minn]

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1370.shtml

Also battler and malice axe available for crush users

Aswell as dragonfang nerf xD

Sycho, didnt u stop playing daoc ?or am I mistaken ?

 

[Amuse]

Every1 is crying so much its a pain.. so im here to couse some more pain.

Dont just look at the assasin, look at the archers.. the alb archer has no magical abiletys, nothing,, only shield (ok, its good agains other archers, but its not like you block more than 40% of the arrows with 42 shield.)

Rangers get Self buffs, and Run Speed Boost, and that is so fecking annoying. yay, that reanger is DEAD,, hes down to 40% health and im stil shooting with my bow!.. *BOFH* ranger uses run speed boost and is gone withing seconds...

Hunters get a few self buffs, not sure how many, and run speed bost, and those annoying INSTA pets.. i mean.. if you have a hunter on your arse you can forget aboute escaping with stealth, couse the pet is on you, and he is shooting you with hes bow.

Scouts gets a shield.. the end.. and the shield is a weapon spec, like Spear, and Celtic Dual/Piercing


I feel that scouts needs something more.. something that compensates for the magical skills of all the other archers..

some or many migt feel like making the QQ coments.. feel free to do.. its not like i take it personal

 

[Derric]

why u whine about this...u dont lose a second line to spec in(like NS/SB will if they spec 50 weap) if u spec 50weap u dont weaken another line as u got 2,5...u forgot that one?
silly kiddo...QQ now go and find ur self another FOTM and lvl it to 50 and max it out!

When you type like a 12 year old it's funny to see you call people "kiddo". ;o

 

[Dracus]

Scout, shield...etc.

What spec points would u put in a "new" specline? afaik all 3 archers are pressed for points...ie have to compensate by lowering important specs

/Dracus

 

[Amuse]

What spec points would u put in a "new" specline? afaik all 3 archers are pressed for points...ie have to compensate by lowering important specs

/Dracus

i would give up shield withoute blinking for the kind of magic the oter races has.. slam doesnt land that ofter in RvR, couse usualy ppl block/parry/evade it. And im an archer, im not suposed to go in to melee combat in RvR, so its realy useless for other stuff than blocking against archers, but then again, your usualy dead if an archer spots you first as you only wear studded armor.. would rather have the chance to run away than survive 2 or 3 more shots.

 

[Cami]

i would give up shield withoute blinking for the kind of magic the oter races has.. slam doesnt land that ofter in RvR, couse usualy ppl block/parry/evade it. And im an archer, im not suposed to go in to melee combat in RvR, so its realy useless for other stuff than blocking against archers, but then again, your usualy dead if an archer spots you first as you only wear studded armor.. would rather have the chance to run away than survive 2 or 3 more shots.

yea, because anytime stun is of no use at all, i see where you are going with this...

 

[Pio]

Lol a scout wo a shield would be fun to kill

 

[Aoln]

Shield > all

 

[Fafnir]

I find rangers to be harder than scouts. specially when they ding rr5. Before that rangers are fun to play with.

 

[Dracus]

i would give up shield withoute blinking for the kind of magic the oter races has.. slam doesnt land that ofter in RvR, couse usualy ppl block/parry/evade it. And im an archer, im not suposed to go in to melee combat in RvR, so its realy useless for other stuff than blocking against archers, but then again, your usualy dead if an archer spots you first as you only wear studded armor.. would rather have the chance to run away than survive 2 or 3 more shots.

Funny...my SB gets slammed a lot, even tho he has capped dex/qui and buffs :touch:

Must be just me then...

/Dracus

 

[Amuse]

yea, because anytime stun is of no use at all, i see where you are going with this...

erm.. didnt you read what i said?? slam almost never lands! and i did not say that its of no use at all, read all the posts by me before comenting..

i did say it is nice, but i said i would trade that for the kind of magical abiletys rangers and hunters have.

ok, it lands on non-stealthers alot, but on SBs and Nightshades, it hardly lands at all.. and thats the type of players i fight most of the time. they evade, evade, evade, and evade again.. now your either dead or oute of end... shield styles eats your end at a sceary rate.

I would rather have the abilety to run away or call a n insta pet to help with the fighting, or interupt and cancle bard/skald speed for the person that is attacking you, and then run way with run speed boost.. and the self buffs rangers, and party hunters gets isnt helping scouts either

 

[Amuse]

For the "poor ns" part..

He did this in aboute 3-3.5s aboute enugh time for me to turn around becouse of the movement decrese

 

[Sharma]

On the part about the run speed buff, its pretty shite, breaks the moment anyone touches you with an insta or anything, say if a tank almost killed a ranger and he used a speed buff to leg it, and he had a charge on a random piece of armour (Yeah right) he can use it to break it. So dont bother saying "run speed buff is ubar!" because it isnt.

 

[Dook]

For the "poor ns" part..

He did this in aboute 3-3.5s aboute enugh time for me to turn around becouse of the movement decrese

Use the #1 NS on the server as an example why dontcha...

 

[Borvo]

When you type like a 12 year old it's funny to see you call people "kiddo". ;o

english is my second language i know i don't type very well. but i got a point. u can say what u want..0,3 more spec points > 40dmg dd each 30 sec or 5% hp...and with 0,3 more spec point u can spec 1skill to 50 and still get as high spec as ns/sb gets if they spec 44weap.. its a fact and u know it derric. just to prove my point!
inf spec.(50weap)
34stealth
34cs
50trust
39dw
30posion

ns spec(44 weap)
34stealth
34cs
39cd
44weap
23posion..
did i prove my point now derric this show.. with same stealth/cd/cs spec u can get higher weap and posion. and btw if ns want 50weap he got to drop posion down to 4 where u can have 30.. and and if u still think is fair..would u trade 0,3spec point for ns dd?

 

[Derric]

I'd trade 0,3 specpoints for being able to have Avoid Pain.

 

[Cylian]

I'd trade 0,3 specpoints for being able to have Avoid Pain.

why not for Shadowrun ?

 

[klavrynd]

I'd trade 0,3 specpoints for being able to have Avoid Pain.

you have perma ap3 in the form of spec af , hand over the points

 

[Tindel]

AMG will still be 4infs anyway ^^
and if you call that a big nerf, "ok"

 

[bigchief]

you have perma ap3 in the form of spec af , hand over the points

er didnt they work it out at ap1?

 

[Glacier]

why do you need stun if you run with 4 all the time and kill the soloer when all of you do one style each? The mincer you're running with has a nice insta stun aswell btw

All this whine about Auraddry stealthzerging...

Lately ive only seen Auraddry solo.

one thing i understand people whine aobut tho is the damage :> even with 3 str relic he outdamages my SB easy, it might be because LA is fucked, it might be because my BB is only 40 and dont have spec AF , and it might be because my sb is so gimped atm that i would probly profit more from wearing epic ..either way.

He has chosen a slash spec, something that i find amusing, i am getting extremely tired of randomnamefotm 50thrust 44crit bla bla bla spec infil WTFpwning in 2fg infil+mincers


About the whining from auraddry about SB not needing to spec 50 for stun? get real have you ever tried landing frosty gaze? its to-hit is down the drain tbh ;x and whenever someone lands Frozty Gaze on an inf, they just purge, vanish, pa+cd .. voila! so much for even 1 on 1 asassain fights

Unrealistic Wishes:
Give Infils 2.2 specpoint, and give Dragonfang back the 9 sec stun.
Give Celt Nightshades. and remove AP3 (giving them AP2 still).
Give Shadowblades CD/DW calculation and ONE FREAKING DECENT RA

 

[Glacier]

i would give up shield withoute blinking for the kind of magic the oter races has.. slam doesnt land that ofter in RvR, couse usualy ppl block/parry/evade it. And im an archer, im not suposed to go in to melee combat in RvR, so its realy useless for other stuff than blocking against archers, but then again, your usualy dead if an archer spots you first as you only wear studded armor.. would rather have the chance to run away than survive 2 or 3 more shots.

Agree/disagree here..

did you know that 90% orso of Rangers spec 21 or less pathfinging? giving them speed boost similar to sprint almost ;x..

That being said, I agree to scouts needing a boost giving them evade 3 like rangers and some more weaponskill would probly do the thick..

Rangers need nothing new.. spec melee get high RR and live
Same goes for hunters.

.. IMO!

 

[Derric]

Glacier, just a comment about what you said about Infiltrators just using Purge whenever you get Frosty Gaze in.
What stops you from using Purge when someone gets Dragonfang in on you? ;o

 

[Brunore]

His point being that BD/FG is very difficult to get off in a fight, where as DF is usually used as a back up for an anytime.

then even if you dont see the evade you get a nice 9sec stun after it.

 

[Jaem-]

That being said, I agree to scouts needing a boost giving them evade 3 like rangers and some more weaponskill would probly do the thick..

.. IMO!

Scouts already have evade3, shield spec and very nice bow dmg, but sucky melee, can't be good at everything, the scout as a class seems to have best defences out of the archers, tbh even with insta pet and all the nifty stuff thats on the huntress, I very much prefer the scout.

Every class has to have weaknesses and advantages.

I guess it comes down to, scout not being hit, or hunter being hit 24/7, surivability is amazing from what I've seen so far.

 

[Asharith]

scouts dont have AP though which makes them gimped at high rr compared to rangers . (same as inf vs ns ) . Good at start not "so"good at rr6+

 

[old.windforce]

you have perma ap3 in the form of spec af , hand over the points

more like ~ap 1.5

which is still nice

ns have perma haste

sb have best pve buffbots (and best wajners :worthy: )

 

[Glacier]

Glacier, just a comment about what you said about Infiltrators just using Purge whenever you get Frosty Gaze in.
What stops you from using Purge when someone gets Dragonfang in on you? ;o

nothing my QQ wasnt about purge, it was about vanish infils dont need reactions to land PA, they can just vanish anytime during the fight and win \o/

 

[Melachi]

Give Shadowblades CD/DW calculation

Why? Personally I think LA mechanics are better than DW/CD mechanics for an assasin.

DW/CD and LA perform equally, except in two case's...

Case 1:

infil specced
44 weapon
39 DW

SB specced
44 weapon
39 LA

In this case the infil will outperform the SB because LA's
offhand weaponskill is calculated by LA spec, and DW's
offhand weaponskill is calculated off weapon spec.

Case 2:

infil specced
39 weapon
44 DW

SB specced
39 weapon
44 LA

In this case the SB will outperform the infil.

infil specced
44 weapon
44 DW

SB specced
44 weapon
44 LA

In this case the infil and the SB will perform equally.

Ok, so you might say, its rare that SB's have equal to or higher LA spec than weapon spec (except in some SZ spec's)

But that small penalty is offset imo by the fact that Evade is halved when both weapons swing, which is allways for an SB, but dependant on spec for infils and NS's.


If Mythic made off-hand weaponskill be calculated off mainhands weaponskill, then LA would perform equally to DW/CD in all situations, while LA still would retain the constant Evade penalty.

Also, while a small advantage, LA gains more from damage adds than DW/CD, as the damage add is added to both weapons everyswing (assuming it hits) while not for DW/CD

And btw, no im not an infil/ns, infact im rolling a SZ soon