New legion raid format

[-Lillo-]

Originally posted by Haradrim
There are really lots of nice ppl in those guilds, I just wish if u could only see those guilds from inside for a time to decide urself if they are leet or arrogant as u thought..

I think most people know that the peeps in these guilds are nice. Thats not the point really.
I think it makes people mad that some people have other priorities than their own.
While most who stayed in their normal guilds believe in friendship before RPs, most that left to join an RvR guild do not.

Wether or not that last statement is true or not, it sure seems like that when ur the one staying behind in a dying guild cause of people leaving at 50.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

I enjoy good RvR like virtually everyone in my guild.
Realm points come along with that.. realm points do not bother me, I RvR for the fun of it, not to make some more points.

Realm points is nice however, as a form of competition.

I can't seriously believe some of you would suggest that people would leave guilds they have been in for over 10months to make some points.

 

[Ziva]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
I can't seriously believe some of you would suggest that people would leave guilds they have been in for over 10months to make some points.

Well...as far as i know... a lot of people actually did in the past few months. They been in a guild for a long period of time... and when they got 50 they left to join a RvR only guild.

I really think people should do whatever they feel like ... but at the same time i think u can't blame the leftover guildmembers for getting frustrated over people leaving (all the time) to join a RvR only guild.

Someone said... these people leave because the guilds don't do enough for them (like RvR).... well that can be true but if your guild does not enough RvR in your eyes... why not try to help them to do it instead of running off to another guild? Running away is basically the easy way.... the hardest part is trying to improve your guild in a way so both you can enjoy RvR and maybe even help others to enjoy it too.

After some people have left their guild... basically a chain reaction follows.... others leave too (because of hearing stories from others, because their friends left too etc.) and in the end a lot of guilds ended up with a very small amount of lvl 50 people and this causes them beeing unable to form proper/balanced RvR groups which again causes people to moan, leave etc.

Imho u can't blame anyone really. People make their own choices when it comes to things like this and that's not bad at all. But when u want to understand things u need to look into both sides of a problem and one part of the problem is people in RvR getting annoyed by others calling them elitist and stuff like that (which is understandable too imho) but the other part of the problem is the fact that because a lot of the people joined these RvR guilds some other guilds really can't form any proper RvR groups anymore.

Knowing this u might understand people develop these feelings towards RvR only guilds... i mean... when ur in a small guild, standing in DL for a long period of time yelling "LFG" and all u see is RvR only guilds around u filled with people and never a free spot for u (cause ur not in that guild) people tend to look for someone to blame... so in this case the RvR only guilds. Kinda human if u ask me even when u know it's not really fair though.

I personally never wait that long at DL cause i like both RvR and XP so i tend to play with my alt whenever there is no spot left, but i know some people who really like RvR (and hate to XP) and they are complaining about standing in DL a long time lately.

So as for people trying to prove RvR guilds are not arrogant... i think u should realize that a lot of the people in other guilds experienced the things i mentioned above and therefore are not happy with these guilds. Their way of expressing themselves may not be correct/unfair/ridicolous but try to put yourself in their position and hopefully u can understand where all this is coming from.

At the same time i think that people who have these feelings towards RvR only guilds should understand that most people joined these guilds only because they like RvR far more then the XP/Epic/Alt part that u usually see in other guilds. But that does not make them bad people i think.

Anyway... just my 2 cents on this...

 

[Haradrim]

Originally posted by -Lillo-


I think most people know that the peeps in these guilds are nice. Thats not the point really.
I think it makes people mad that some people have other priorities than their own.
While most who stayed in their normal guilds believe in friendship before RPs, most that left to join an RvR guild do not.

Wether or not that last statement is true or not, it sure seems like that when ur the one staying behind in a dying guild cause of people leaving at 50.

Lillo if u consider my post as a whole u'll find out that I was in 1 of a guild which is dying, actually I was the former GM of that guild..

I really know the feelings when ppl start to leave a guild especially whil its my own guild..

My point is there was kinda friendship.. Do u really have to be in same guild to stay as friends ?

3 of our last stayin members are in BD and other 2 in different guilds but whenever we'r free to chat we form a chat group and keep chatting having fun etc..

What I cant get is why ppl see guilds essential to stay as friends.. DaoC has an advanced communication system which allows u to talk to ne1 or alot o ppl at the same time.. Yes /gu is 1 of these tools but there are other.

I rely on my friends, I trust them and I believe nothing can break our friendship in game. Thats why I have few friends ingame but when I see other ppl fighting, yelling each other, cursing etc. couse of guild change etc. I believe that keeping ur friends less and tight is the best it seems..

nuff said alrdy imo

/salute

 

[-Lillo-]

The fact that you can still talk to them has nothing to do with it really. There is often a loss of trust involved and trust is the base of every kind of relationship. wether it be ingame or in real life.